Take in Syrian Refugees?

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Supposedly, Pope Francis told us and our parishes to accept Syrian families. Let’s discuss that.
 
You might start by getting rid of the “supposedly” and read what the Pope actually said. Found at w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/angelus/2015/documents/papa-francesco_angelus_20150906.html

Dear brothers and sisters, God’s mercy is seen through our works, as demonstrated to us by the life of Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta, whose anniversary of death we commemorated yesterday.

Faced with the tragedy of tens of thousands of refugees who flee death from war and hunger, and who have begun a journey moved by hope for survival, the Gospel calls us to be “neighbours” of the smallest and the abandoned, and to give them concrete hope. It’s not enough to say, “Take heart. Be patient”… Christian hope has a fighting spirit, with the tenacity of one who goes toward a sure goal.

Therefore, as the Jubilee of Mercy approaches, I make an appeal to parishes, religious communities, monasteries and shrines throughout Europe, that they express the Gospel in a concrete way and host a refugee family. A concrete gesture in preparation for the Holy Year of Mercy. May every parish, every religious community, every monastery, every shrine of Europe welcome one family, beginning with my Diocese of Rome.

I address my brother bishops of Europe, true pastors, that in their dioceses they endorse my appeal, remembering that Mercy is the second name of Love: “What you have done for the least of my brothers, that you have done for me” (cf. Mt 25:46).

In the coming days, the two parishes of the Vatican will also welcome two families of refugees.
 
Eilrahc said:
Supposedly, Pope Francis told us and our parishes to accept Syrian families. Let’s discuss that.
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The US was at least partly responsible for the problems in the mideast. George Bush invaded Iraq and signed papers to leave too early. Both of these decisions by Bush helped to create the turmoil in the region. People in Syria are fleeing ISIS, which was created with the goal of ridding the area of westerners or crusaders as they called it. Some Republicans claim that ISIS was created because of the unwise intervention and decisions of America.
It is not fair to let Europe take in one million MidEastern refugees and for the US to do nothing. The US should take in at least 500,000 mideastern refugees now and continue at that annual rate as needed for the next few years to assist Europe in this humanitarian crisis.
 
Eilrahc said:
Supposedly, Pope Francis told us and our parishes to accept Syrian families. Let’s discuss that.
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By looking at the pics of all the refugees seems most of the “families” are all young men. They seem to have left their wives and children behind.
 
Tomdstone said:
The US should take in at least 500,000 mideastern refugees now and continue at that annual rate as needed for the next few years to assist Europe in this humanitarian crisis.
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Are you suggesting that parishes, religious communities, and monasteries in the US should take in this many people? How would you suggest they do that?

I’m not sure that Catholic institutions in the US can do what the Pope is suggesting for Europe unless the government gets involved. The paperwork needed for immigration means that it will take more time than these people have. Probably the most immediate thing parishes can do relates to fund raising and getting money to those on the ground overseas. Catholic Relief Services and Jesuit Refugee Service (and undoubtedly others) can put the money to good use.
philipl said:
By looking at the pics of all the refugees seems most of the “families” are all young men. They seem to have left their wives and children behind.
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Indeed, some of the pictures I see are all men. But searching Google images for Syrian refugees in Hungary turned up many others that contradict your statement.

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Why can’t Saudi Arabia help? A lot of the ****** things we do in the middle east are done at their behest. I have head that they already have air conditioned tents that will hold 3 million people, which they use for hajj pilgrims. They have made no offers of aid with the exception of an offer to fund the construction of mosques in European countries that have none.

Also, they are planning on putting the bulk of these refugees in 'red states" just like they are doing with the illegals surging over from Mexico. Kind of suspicious to me . . .
 
Norm_The_Robot said:
Why can’t Saudi Arabia help? A lot of the ****** things we do in the middle east are done at their behest. I have head that they already have air conditioned tents that will hold 3 million people, which they use for hajj pilgrims. They have made no offers of aid with the exception of an offer to fund the construction of mosques in European countries that have none.

Also, they are planning on putting the bulk of these refugees in 'red states" just like they are doing with the illegals surging over from Mexico. Kind of suspicious to me . . .
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Of course they are, how else can you turn a red state blue?
 
Tom, it seems that a huge number of your posts are about how awful the USA is.
This is not appropriate, nor is it really reflective of sound reasoning.

I also don’t see you volunteering to take in refugees.
 
PolarGuy said:
Tom, it seems that a huge number of your posts are about how awful the USA is.
This is not appropriate, nor is it really reflective of sound reasoning.

I also don’t see you volunteering to take in refugees.
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I am not going to take any in. Mark my words there will be no go zone in the USA just like there are all over europe.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
Are you suggesting that parishes, religious communities, and monasteries in the US should take in this many people? How would you suggest they do that?
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By following the example of Germany which has taken in 850,000 people so far.
 
PolarGuy said:
Tom, it seems that a huge number of your posts are about how awful the USA is.
This is not appropriate, nor is it really reflective of sound reasoning.

I also don’t see you volunteering to take in refugees.
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No one seems to object when people complain about how awful the US Supreme court is in its various decisions such as SSM. No one objects when people complain about the American system of justice which locks up an individual who refuses to grant SS marriage licenses. But supposedly there is something wrong about reading the news and seeing that Rand Paul has stated that the American Republican Hawks created ISIS. These refugees are fleeing from ISIS which, according to Rand Paul, is a creation of American Republicans. Before George Bush invaded Iraq, I did not hear anything about refugees fleeing from the area. Why is it appropriate for people to say how awful the US Supreme Court is but it is not appropriate to disagree with the decision of George Bush to invade Iraq and to leave early?
 
Norm_The_Robot said:
Why can’t Saudi Arabia help? A lot of the ****** things we do in the middle east are done at their behest. I have head that they already have air conditioned tents that will hold 3 million people, which they use for hajj pilgrims. They have made no offers of aid with the exception of an offer to fund the construction of mosques in European countries that have none.

Also, they are planning on putting the bulk of these refugees in 'red states" just like they are doing with the illegals surging over from Mexico. Kind of suspicious to me . . .
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George Bush has embraced and kissed the prince of Saudi Arabia, but I wonder if Saudi Arabia is really a friend of the USA? I hear that they have beheaded over 100 people this year?
 
Tom, you didn’t actually answer anything: why are you so anti-US? Because you didn’t like a Supreme Court decision? As opposed to, say, North Korea or someplace with kangaroo “courts?” Or would you prefer to live in, say, red China?

How about some objectivity toward the USA? Because as it is, most of your posts - no matter what you’re responding to - can be described as anti-US. Seriously, you’re like a broken record, and if you’re trying to change minds, 7000+ posts on catholic.com hardly seems like a good avenue to convince anyone, no? Above and beyond that, some modicum of effort at objectivity might be in order, wouldn’t it? Because I can assure you that the pounding mantra of “the US is awful/unfair/started the war/whatever”, regardless of the post you’re responding to, convinces no one of the merit of anything you say. All it does is hijack threads so Tom can have his soapbox.
 
I look at the awful mess Europe is in after Merkel’s mad decision to welcome everyone to Germany with no logistical planning, no housing, food, job considerations, assimilation considerations; welfare or budgetary analysis. Then when the opportunistic march from every camp in Turkey and the surrounding safe havens start to flood Greece, Hungary and all the other countries who cannot afford such largess, Germany closes it’t borders after declaring they were only going to take skilled migrants anyway.
Australia, having secured it borders against the smuggler’s trade, has accepted 12,000 Christian refugees from UN sanctioned camped with full health, security and other checks. Our authorities are preparing budgets for such planned and gradual assimilation of like minded people in need with the proper planning done before any intake.
Real compassion is demanded of us not just by our Pope but our Lord and we cannot walk upon the other side of the road. Our own souls demand the maintainance of our honour.
However, the chaos of open borders, deluded people on a long march to no man’s land between ever closing borders is all that comes from the plastic compassion and the knee jerk reaction to a few pitiful pictures of dead children. No emotion without thought is a waste of time and an insult to our full humanity.
 
Petaro said:
I look at the awful mess Europe is in after Merkel’s mad decision to welcome everyone to Germany with no logistical planning, no housing, food, job considerations, assimilation considerations; welfare or budgetary analysis. Then when the opportunistic march from every camp in Turkey and the surrounding safe havens start to flood Greece, Hungary and all the other countries who cannot afford such largess, Germany closes it’t borders after declaring they were only going to take skilled migrants anyway.
Australia, having secured it borders against the smuggler’s trade, has accepted 12,000 Christian refugees from UN sanctioned camped with full health, security and other checks. Our authorities are preparing budgets for such planned and gradual assimilation of like minded people in need with the proper planning done before any intake.
Real compassion is demanded of us not just by our Pope but our Lord and we cannot walk upon the other side of the road. Our own souls demand the maintainance of our honour.
However, the chaos of open borders, deluded people on a long march to no man’s land between ever closing borders is all that comes from the plastic compassion and the knee jerk reaction to a few pitiful pictures of dead children. No emotion without thought is a waste of time and an insult to our full humanity.
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Hungary is closing its border with Serbia and from the news reports it looks like Germany will also begin border controls.
 
The problem is that many of the people pouring into Europe are not actually Syrians. They are Middle Easterners who are taking advantage of the ability to relocate without the need for pesky things like passports. Also, as mentioned, many are young men of military age who are probably running away from service (not that I can hardly blame them). Why are these people not heading to Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia? Because they don’t want them, even if they are muslim “brothers.”

In any event, how are these countries supposed to provide for such a huge influx of people when most of them are already struggling?
 
Tomdstone said:
These refugees are fleeing from ISIS which, according to Rand Paul, is a creation of American Republicans. Before George Bush invaded Iraq.
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ISIS was created and supported in Afghanistan under Osama Bin Laden, long before the invasion of Iraq.

I suggest that you find someone other that Rand Paul to provide political theory for you. He is the consummate politician. He had Kentucky change from a primary to a caucus system so that he wouldn’t be in the violation of state law that prohibits a sitting legislator being on the ticket for two races simultaneously. He knows he will never win the presidency but he doesn’t want to give up his seat from Kentucky. Is that who you place all of your trust?
 
Tim_D said:
ISIS was created and supported in Afghanistan under Osama Bin Laden, long before the invasion of Iraq.

I suggest that you find someone other that Rand Paul to provide political theory for you. He is the consummate politician. He had Kentucky change from a primary to a caucus system so that he wouldn’t be in the violation of state law that prohibits a sitting legislator being on the ticket for two races simultaneously. He knows he will never win the presidency but he doesn’t want to give up his seat from Kentucky. Is that who you place all of your trust?
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So you don’t agree with the Republican Rand Paul? Regardless, IS is a result of the US invasion of Iraq. Can you give us someone who referred to IS or to ISIS before the US invasion of Iraq?
 
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