Take the screaming baby out, please.

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I’m with you, Lorrie.

Directly in back of me today there was a toddler munching VERY LOUDLY with his mouth open on popcorn or something. 🍿 The irony was that he was doing this during the singing of the psalm “Taste and see the goodness of the Lord.” I ended up turning around and giving a bemused ironic look at the young crumb-crunching lad. :rolleyes:
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I can understand that if they are crying the entire time he is giving his homily that they ought to leave for the sake of others not being able to hear, but usually its just for a few minutes and I get the jist of the homily even if I miss a few words.
See, that’s what makes this deal so odd. 99.9% of the time when a baby cries it’s just for a minute or two, no big deal. What happened today was insane. I’m not exaggerating when I say that it lasted for at least 10 minutes, and I’m not talking about just simple crying - the baby was literally screaming. How does a parent just sit there and not do anything? And just to add, it was the husband, wife and baby - no other children to look after, etc.

That screaming is embedded in my brain! :whacky: :eek:
 
I couldn’t hear a word of the homily today because a baby screamed all the way through it. Why the parent(s) didn’t take him/her out to the vestibule is beyond me.

Actually, I was able to hear the last sentence - it sounded like we missed out on a good one. 😦
Well, why not cover your bases and go to vigil mass and sunday mass just in case a kid makes it horrible for you?
 
I’d be willing to bet that those children that Jesus welcomed were not silent angels…they were probably loud and obnoxious, which is why the disciples probably told their mothers to take them away, so people could hear Jesus speaking.

Sound familiar? “Let the children come to me and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”
An interesting thought.

We have about 20 toddlers and infants in our parish, which is a very large number for such a small congregation.

Result–there’s a constant undercurrent of cooing, gurgling, crooning, and babbling. There’s also a 3 year old girl who sings out all the responses at the TOP of her voice!

Well, the church belongs to them, too! They are our future.
 
An interesting thought.

We have about 20 toddlers and infants in our parish, which is a very large number for such a small congregation.

Result–there’s a constant undercurrent of cooing, gurgling, crooning, and babbling. There’s also a 3 year old girl who sings out all the responses at the TOP of her voice!

Well, the church belongs to them, too! They are our future.
And they don’t put on horrible smelling purfumes either!

Incense should be the only smell at a Mass.

Too bad I never have smelled it at a Mass, and only at a Divine Liturgy.
 
The old crying baby problem.

The solution is simple. We are all called to the the other more than self. If you are subjected to a screaming child, your job is to love and desire the best for them first. your convenience is secondary. Like someone else said, offer it up if you can. If you can’t help but get ticked off, then take this as a clue that this is an area of growth for you. I have found it is usually best to learn such lessons quick before God decides to teach you the harder way.

If you are the mother, then you should love your fellow parishoners more. Yes, you have to balance the raising of this child with your duty to others. But make no mistake, you do have a duty to love your fellow parishoners and to not be a cause of stumbling. Take the child out if you can, please.

We are all in this together and we must, must work together if we are to grow in sanctity.
 
I say sign that kid up for the choir, just imagine hitting a note that high, Pavarotti look out!

Here is what you do, parents should practice a quite time at home during the day, a whole hour to be sure. It is possible to teach/train children to be quite during mass. 🙂
 
As Catholics, are we not called to respond with compassion? If a parent is struggling with a screaming baby, is it not our duty to offer help?
It’s a sweet thought, but not in this day and age, unless you know the parents well. Too many lawyers waiting to jump on a lawsuit, and too many perverts waiting to take advantage of an opportunity. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the innocent past is sadly, gone.
 
The old crying baby problem.

The solution is simple. We are all called to the the other more than self. If you are subjected to a screaming child, your job is to love and desire the best for them first. your convenience is secondary. Like someone else said, offer it up if you can. If you can’t help but get ticked off, then take this as a clue that this is an area of growth for you. I have found it is usually best to learn such lessons quick before God decides to teach you the harder way.

If you are the mother, then you should love your fellow parishoners more. Yes, you have to balance the raising of this child with your duty to others. But make no mistake, you do have a duty to love your fellow parishoners and to not be a cause of stumbling. Take the child out if you can, please.

We are all in this together and we must, must work together if we are to grow in sanctity.
This is ideal. Thank you. We should always look out for the best interests of others. Isn’t that what the reading this last week was all about? Be ye kind one to another.

I do think that some parents take advantage of Catholics with the attitude that “if these people are truly pro-life, we shouldn’t have to take our screaming baby out of the Mass.”

Or there’s the attitude that “my screaming baby needs to be in Mass just like everyone else.”

My biggest problem isn’t with the homily, but with the music. If a cantor is trying to sing and an instrumentalist is trying to play, a screaming child is extremely distracting. I try not to pay attention, but this last Saturday evening, I totally messed up the Gloria in the first Mass I played for because of a screaming toddler. I couldn’t help it–he startled me and I hit the introduction very badly.

Most Catholic churches that I have been in have abominable sound systems, absolutely shameful. The parish could buy a couple of Mr. Microphones at Radio Shack and hook them up to those little plastic speakers, and save themselves a lot of money–it would sound better than the junk “sound system” that some unscrupulous salesperson conned the parish into buying. For this reason, I think that parents with loud children should please be considerate and take the little ones out for just a minute or two until the child is calmed down. People really do like to hear the Mass, not just see it.

As for the pro-life issue, I think it’s a kindness to the child to allow him/her a few minutes to run around a little. Although others on this board disagree with me, I think it’s unrealistic to expect a little one to sit…SIT…quietly for more than five minutes at a time, let alone an hour. This isn’t something that needs to be “corrected”–this is their level of development.

It’s no different than toilet-training readiness–no one would expect a year-old child to be ready to toilet-train, and no one should expect a baby or toddler to sit still and quiet for a whole hour. I say take them out and bring them back in, several times if necessary, and gradually increase the amount of time that they are expected to sit quietly in the Mass as they get older and their attention span naturally increases. This will help the child to learn to love attending Mass, rather than making them dread it.

And during those times that they are in the Mass, teach them what’s happening. From a young age, I whispered to my children through the worship services (we were Protestant) about what was going on and if they were sitting in the worship service with me, I expected them to participate as much as they could (stand up during the hymns, fold hands during the prayers, etc.).

The Church Herself says that a child is not obligated to attend Mass until they are around aged 7, so it’s not a sin if the child misses parts of the Mass for his/her “active” jogs in the lobby.
 
Seriously? This topic? Again?

It’s really quite funny that you all can talk so snidely about children crying during Mass and how disturbing their chewing is to you. What happened to pro-life, pro-family, pro-babies? I guess we’re only anti-abortion as long as we don’t have to deal with the children we’ve saved.

Offer it up. Too bad if you missed a few words of the homily; you probably wouldn’t have paid attention to it anyway.
And I am really fed up with the snide remarks posted by people who appear to believe that being pro-life, pro-family and/or pro-babies means that we must put up with parents who have no idea how to deal with their screaming kids.

Jesus saying “suffer the little children to come unto me” did not mean that we have to suffer endless screaming or bad manners.

It seems that parents today believe that anything their kids want to do must be acceptable behavior. Children need to be trained. Children need to be disciplined. Babies need to be hushed, and that usually means taking them away from the environment in which they are screaming and walk or rock them into peacefulness.

In fact, we are being pro-life, pro-family and pro-babies when we urge the parents to deal properly with their offspring.
 
And I am really fed up with the snide remarks posted by people who appear to believe that being pro-life, pro-family and/or pro-babies means that we must put up with parents who have no idea how to deal with their screaming kids. .
Really, if a child is acting up, do you believe that a parent thinks this is okay? Chances are, the parent is frustrated as well, but is trying to get through. In that scenario, you should really offer to help, and if you are unwilling, then, well, chalk it up and pray for patience and love.
 
Seriously? This topic? Again?

It’s really quite funny that you all can talk so snidely about children crying during Mass and how disturbing their chewing is to you. What happened to pro-life, pro-family, pro-babies? I guess we’re only anti-abortion as long as we don’t have to deal with the children we’ve saved.

Offer it up. Too bad if you missed a few words of the homily; you probably wouldn’t have paid attention to it anyway.
sigh The OP was talking about a screaming baby who wasn’t taken out of Mass. Not about how babies are evil and should be murdered in their wombs. But I guess I can understand how you’d mistake one concept for the other, as they’re so similar… :rolleyes:
 
Thinking about it. 😛 😉
I hope you do this. I do, and find it amazing. Different things about the homily stand out each time, and you have the gift if the Eucharist both days.

When my daughter was an infant she ironically cried very briefly one Mass at the words “Jesus wept.” I can;t tell you the number of people touched by that.
 
See, that’s what makes this deal so odd. 99.9% of the time when a baby cries it’s just for a minute or two, no big deal. What happened today was insane. I’m not exaggerating when I say that it lasted for at least 10 minutes, and I’m not talking about just simple crying - the baby was literally screaming. How does a parent just sit there and not do anything? And just to add, it was the husband, wife and baby - no other children to look after, etc.

That screaming is embedded in my brain! :whacky: :eek:
An interesting thought.

We have about 20 toddlers and infants in our parish, which is a very large number for such a small congregation.

Result–**there’s a constant undercurrent of cooing, gurgling, crooning, and babbling. There’s also a 3 year old girl who sings out all the responses at the TOP of her voice!
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Well, the church belongs to them, too! They are our future.
Apples and oranges. A baby screaming for 10 minutes is nothing like a baby making baby noises. :rolleyes:

We also have a lot of young children at our parish. But it is only very rarely that a parent doesn’t remove their child if they are screaming.
 
I have 3 boys 6 years, 4 years, and 13 months.

My baby is held through the service. He may switch back and forth between Mom or Dad, definitely preferring Mom. He babbles and makes baby noises. If he cries or screams, we try to console him with a toy or carefully rationed snacks. If he is inconsolable, he is taken into the gathering area to be walked around and calmed down. We try not to take him out, Monsignor does not encourage it and it tends to be disruptive, we sit in the front or second to front pew. Some of the behavior problems with my older children went away when we moved from the middle back of the church to the front of the church, they behaved better beacuase they could see something other than the back side of someone in front of them. Also, if people are giving me dirty looks because my children are not perfectly behaved (they usually do very well, but not always) I don’t see them. 😃

As an aside, I prefer to have children, even the naughty ones, attend Mass. The most disruptive children for me are my own (particularly at age 3). How are they going to learn to behave appropriately and learn to participate if they aren’t attending?
 
As an aside, I prefer to have children, even the naughty ones, attend Mass. The most disruptive children for me are my own (particularly at age 3). How are they going to learn to behave appropriately and learn to participate if they aren’t attending?
This thread isn’t about naughty children. This is about a baby that screamed for 10 minutes. I don’t think this baby was learning anything about how to behave.
 
Listening to a baby babble is endearing and makes pretty much anyone smile. Listening to an older baby or toddler SCREAM is unbearable.

I have encountered some of the mothers of these children after Mass when they’re bemoaning the fact that an Usher came and politely informed them of the cry room and they have honestly demanded that we accept their children “as is”. I knew someone that used to allow her son not only to pitch fits whenever he didn’t get to rip the pages out of the Bible, but also allowed him to climb under the pews, knocking over kneelers, going through women’s purses, and getting at least 5 pews in front of them before they decided to go get him. And whenever anyone tried to “offer help” (basically by saying “Hey, he can sit with me during Mass!”) she would decline. At the time I had three children, pregnant with #4 and offered this type of help (because her son seemed to behave when he was with me and my children), she would tell me “No, he’s ok. He’s just exploring and everyone needs to just understand him. Even Jesus would say let the children come to me so why can’t he be who he is?”

Being a mother of many, I can understand the difficulties of having to deal with an impatient toddler, fidgety 7 yr old, rambunctious 2 yr old, screaming infant. I’m also a military wife so I also do alot of this on my own during deployments. The fact still remains that it’s just plain rude to allow a child to be that disruptive during Mass.
 
And I am really fed up with the snide remarks posted by people who appear to believe that being pro-life, pro-family and/or pro-babies means that we must put up with parents who have no idea how to deal with their screaming kids.

Jesus saying “suffer the little children to come unto me” did not mean that we have to suffer endless screaming or bad manners.

It seems that parents today believe that anything their kids want to do must be acceptable behavior. Children need to be trained. Children need to be disciplined. Babies need to be hushed, and that usually means taking them away from the environment in which they are screaming and walk or rock them into peacefulness.

In fact, we are being pro-life, pro-family and pro-babies when we urge the parents to deal properly with their offspring.
Joan M-what you said! 👍 👍
 
And I am really fed up with the snide remarks posted by people who appear to believe that being pro-life, pro-family and/or pro-babies means that we must put up with parents who have no idea how to deal with their screaming kids.

Jesus saying “suffer the little children to come unto me” did not mean that we have to suffer endless screaming or bad manners.

It seems that parents today believe that anything their kids want to do must be acceptable behavior. Children need to be trained. Children need to be disciplined. Babies need to be hushed, and that usually means taking them away from the environment in which they are screaming and walk or rock them into peacefulness.

In fact, we are being pro-life, pro-family and pro-babies when we urge the parents to deal properly with their offspring.
THANK YOU!!

Babies make noise, and 99% of the time that noise is joyful to hear. However, if your precious snowflake is throwing a tantrum, PLEASE think about those around you and avail yourself of the cry room.
 
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