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Suppose you are a police sniper. A situation arises in which a gunman is holding a hostage – the perp’s gun is right up to the hostage’s head. You have a clear view to a head shot on the gunman, but that’s it – no opportunity to wound, your job is to take the gunman out: one shot, one kill. Please also note:
  1. You don’t know whether the gunman actually will shoot the hostage if you don’t act – he might; he might not.
  2. You don’t know whether the perp’s gun will go off as a result of your taking the shot – it might; it might not.
So there’s no certainty that there is an imminent threat, nor is there a certainty you are actually going to save the hostage by acting. All you know is that when your superior gives the order, it’s your job to take the shot and kill the gunman. Is it ethical to do so? (As a corollary, is it ethical for the superior to give the order?)
 
Suppose you are a police sniper. A situation arises in which a gunman is holding a hostage – the perp’s gun is right up to the hostage’s head. You have a clear view to a head shot on the gunman, but that’s it – no opportunity to wound, your job is to take the gunman out: one shot, one kill. Please also note:
  1. You don’t know whether the gunman actually will shoot the hostage if you don’t act – he might; he might not.
  2. You don’t know whether the perp’s gun will go off as a result of your taking the shot – it might; it might not.
So there’s no certainty that there is an imminent threat, nor is there a certainty you are actually going to save the hostage by acting. All you know is that when your superior gives the order, it’s your job to take the shot and kill the gunman. Is it ethical to do so? (As a corollary, is it ethical for the superior to give the order?)
Absolutely, 100% ethical and moral.

In no case of successful self-defense, or defense of another, do you know for certain that someone innocent is going to get shot. Once the gunman threatens someone with death or severe bodily injury it is moral to use potentially deadly force to disable him.

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I would say, IMHO, that a gun to someone else’s head is most definitely an imminent threat.
 
I would say, IMHO, that a gun to someone else’s head is most definitely an imminent threat.
My thoughts exactly. The situation is one that morally triggers the use of deadly force. The police are not acting, they are reacting.
 
I would take the shot. To me it sounds like it would be an ethical thing to do and somehow I doubt that the gunman’s gun is going to go off when you kill him.
 
Frankly, I think this is less a question of ethics and more a question of how likely your shot is to make the situation better or worse. Everyone agrees that it’s OK to shoot a hostage-taker if it’s sufficiently likely to save a life and it’s sufficiently unlikely to result in the death of an innocent. And I think most people will agree that it’s wrong to shoot someone, even a hostage-taker, if the shooting will only lead to the death of the person it was meant to save.

The Doctrine of Double Effect, for example, demands that there be a proportional reason for it to be permissible to kill someone. Well, whether or not there is a proportional reason for killing someone depends on whether or not killing them will do any good. If taking the shot just means both the innocent and the hostage-taker will die, then not only is there not a proportional reason for taking the shot, but it looks like reason is against taking the shot, even if we leave aside the fact that the hostage-taker will die.

So, I don’t think it makes much sense to ask this question in abstraction from more particular knowledge about the risks involved. Compare with how it doesn’t make sense whether I should trust “a person” with a key to my dorm room. I can tell you that I should trust my roommate, since I know him and know that he’s an honest person. I can also tell you that I shouldn’t trust a twice-convicted cat burglar, for obvious reasons. But there’s no way I can answer the question in terms of a general person. Similarly, there’s no way you could say in general whether you ought to take the shot if you didn’t also know things like how likely you are to hit, how likely the hostage-taker is to retaliate, and so on.
 
If you had to think about it, you wouldn’t be in the position (as a police sniper) to take the shot.

Yes, you take the shot.

I would go to confession afterwards, not because I would feel this was an unethical choice, but because a life had been lost.
 
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The Doctrine of Double Effect, for example, demands that there be a proportional reason for it to be permissible to kill someone.
But doesn’t DDE only apply to a good action that can have injurious consequences, rather than a bad action that can have beneficial consequences?

For example, let’s say that there is a weight crushing you. I can shove the weight off of you, but if I do that, that weight will fall onto another person on the floor, potentially crushing that person to death. Shoving the weight off of you so that you aren’t crushed to death is a good act, but it has an injurious consequence that must be weighed against the goodness of the act.

But in the sniper example, the act is nothing so benign as shoving a weight off of someone (despite the consquences). Rather, the act is the deliberate killing of a human being. Is that or is that not an action that is by nature so intrinsically disordered that it cannot be done even to obtain the benefit of possibly saving the hostage’s life?
 
Taking a life is not intrinsically disordered. The death penalty is permitted by moral law. Just wars are permitted to defend countries against attack. Self-defense is the ultimate excuse for harming another person. There is nothing sinful about killing another person if that person threatens innocent life. It is an act of defense and mercy, not malice.
 
There is nothing sinful about killing another person if that person threatens innocent life.
What if the person who is threatening innocent life is innocent himself/herself (e.g., has no idea that what he/she is doing is threatening the life of another innocent)?
 
A Catholic moralist would say that it is always wrong to kill such a person as a means or an end.
 
A Catholic moralist would say that it is always wrong to kill such a person as a means or an end.
Surely a Catholic moralist could imagine some circumstance in which it may be necessary to injure or even kill an innocent to save the lives of other innocents (e.g., a innocent is unknowingly carrying a bomb to a public place and must be stopped by any means possible from reaching that place).
 
What if the person who is threatening innocent life is innocent himself/herself (e.g., has no idea that what he/she is doing is threatening the life of another innocent)?
As with abortion, how does this make the innocent worthy of dying? We have a moral obligation and duty, depending upon our role, to defend innocent life. Since no one can know he mental state of the offender, one must assume that they know what they are doing.

The offender is not baking cookies, taking a bath, or making a phone call. A truly insane person will do something that has no relation to the surroundings. By holding a hostage, the offender demonstrates, by the very nature of that focused and directed action, that they know what they are doing.

As well, not all head shots are fatal. Police are trained to shoot to stop he threat, knowing that such action may cause death. Human responses are such that our muscles relax rather than contract, when subjected to sudden trauma.

As to Church teaching, from the catechism:

Legitimate defense

2263
The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. “The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not.”

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

2266 The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to people’s rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and protecting people’s safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must contribute to the correction of the guilty party.

2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.
 
Surely a Catholic moralist could imagine some circumstance in which it may be necessary to injure or even kill an innocent to save the lives of other innocents (e.g., a innocent is unknowingly carrying a bomb to a public place and must be stopped by any means possible from reaching that place).
There can be no intent to kill, otherwise the defender becomes the offender. Lethal force is employed with the knowledge that it may strike a deadly blow - but that is not the intent.
 
A Catholic moralist would say that it is always wrong to kill such a person as a means or an end.
Indeed. In legitimate defense, there can be no intent to kill, period. The intent must always remain focused on defense of innocent life.
 
Suppose you are a police sniper. A situation arises in which a gunman is holding a hostage – the perp’s gun is right up to the hostage’s head. You have a clear view to a head shot on the gunman, but that’s it – no opportunity to wound, your job is to take the gunman out: one shot, one kill. Please also note:
  1. You don’t know whether the gunman actually will shoot the hostage if you don’t act – he might; he might not.
  2. You don’t know whether the perp’s gun will go off as a result of your taking the shot – it might; it might not.
So there’s no certainty that there is an imminent threat, nor is there a certainty you are actually going to save the hostage by acting. All you know is that when your superior gives the order, it’s your job to take the shot and kill the gunman. Is it ethical to do so? (As a corollary, is it ethical for the superior to give the order?)
Is this version two of your “Question: Two men enter, only one can leave…but one’s dying anyway” thread ( forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=730823&page=7 )?
 
As with abortion, how does this make the innocent worthy of dying? We have a moral obligation and duty, depending upon our role, to defend innocent life.
I don’t think it’s a matter of the innocent person, whether an unborn child or an unwitting bomb-toter, being “worthy” of dying. But if an innocent person through circumstances beyond his/her control becomes in effect an “aggressor” against one or more innocents, it may be necessary for someone who is charged with protecting and/or saving lives to intentionally cause the death of that innocent to prevent the death of one or more other innocents.
 
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