Taking down a poster a sin?

[blacktiger057]

My point is:

Which is the greater sin? Letting pornography be shown in public or propaganda that slanders God and attempt to turn people away from him, or removing that material even though it doesn’t belong to you?

Actually, I think that showing pictures of nudity and posting pictures of it in public places is illegal…I’m almost 100 percent sure it is.

The Golden Compass is very different from pornography. And, you don’t really have control over the situation. You can asked to get the sign removed, btu you will ahve to accept the answer either way. So throwing it away would be the greater sin.

 

[Sir_Knight]

I did not commend him for his actions. I think it is unfortunate. But I don’t comdemn his actions yet. Tim

Why not. If it was not sinful for him to take down the poster because it was offensive and/or anti-Catholic, why would it be sinful for him to do any of the other things mentioned? Where do you draw the line and how>

 

[He_Man]

Will it be okay if your son heads over to the metro-plex and stands by the box office, then, when he sees someone buy a ticket for The Golden Compass, he punches them straight in the nose. That okay? Maybe he could just mug them in the parking lot, if they have no wallet - they cannot see that movie.

In 2008, The Golden Compass will be released on DVD.

If your son decides to go to the local Wal Mart and destroy the DVDs on the shelf, you would also commend him for this action?

Barnes and Noble bookstore has lots of the His Dark Materials books on the shelf right now, is it okay to break into the store and destroy those books?

How about breaking into the factory that prints the book and destroying the printing press? All are justified?

Your extrapolation is a bit of a leap; why not ask if he’d support his kid if he decided to go murder Pullman himself? Again, keep some perspective.

Letting people defame God, or post pornography where it can harm children seems a bigger offense to me than removing a poster.

If it isn’t to you, go ahead and leave that garbage up. That’s your right.

 

[kage_ar]

And newsflash: EVERYONE breaks laws they don’t agree with. Did you speed today? Lawbreaker. Jaywalk? Lawbreaker. Sodomy with your wife in certain counties throughout the US? Lawbreaker.

At least some of us will admit when we are doing something that is technically illegal.

Not everyone. I do not speed, I do not jaywalk.

I am bound to be a moral citizen, I do my best to obey the laws. If I do not like the law, I work to change it or choose to live elsewhere.

 

[Sr_Sally]

Again, would everyone’s reaction be different if it was pornographic materials displayed, or posters showing charicatures of Catholic religious officals in compomising positions, or pictures of your own family in these positions?

What if someone was displaying these during Mass?!?

Where does the arbitrary line get drawn. In all cases, the pornographic images don’t belong to anyone on here; it would be theft at a minimum in all cases.

Pornography is illegal, movie posters are not.

Pictures of real people in compromising positions might also be illegal, pictures of actors portraying fictional characters are not.

My dd was also confronted with a poster from the Golden Compass at her school. Instead of pulling it down, she is approaching the school administration about it. As a result she has an opportunity to educate, to change minds, and to put up another poster for a book or movie from a book of her choice.

The OPs son has done nothing by his actions but make himself feel like a hero and ruin his standing in the eyes of the school administration.

I posted about my daughter’s question in the Popular Media forum. Perhpas the OP can go there for suggestions.

 

[kage_ar]

Your extrapolation is a bit of a leap; why not ask if he’d support his kid if he decided to go murder Pullman himself? Again, keep some perspective.

Letting people defame God, or post pornography where it can harm children seems a bigger offense to me than removing a poster.

If it isn’t to you, go ahead and leave that garbage up. That’s your right.

Okay, so I lose perspective but to compare TGC to porn is not a leap. Riiigggghhhh.

There are leagal ways to dissent. We should not encourage illegal means. Two wrongs and all that.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Is that why He insulted the Pharisees (those who were working against Him) at every turn, and tore down the market-place in the Temple?

I guess Jesus didn’t follow His own teaching about extending the hand of friendship to those that offer you a fist and praying for your enemies and for those that do wrong. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Jesus was God and we are not.

 

[kage_ar]

Pornography is illegal, movie posters are not.

Pictures of real people in compromising positions might also be illegal, pictures of actors portraying fictional characters are not.

My dd was also confronted with a poster from the Golden Compass at her school. Instead of pulling it down, she is approaching the school administration about it. As a result she has an opportunity to educate, to change minds, and to put up another poster for a book or movie from a book of her choice.

The OPs son has done nothing by his actions but make himself feel like a hero and ruin his standing in the eyes of the school administration.

I posted about my daughter’s question in the Popular Media forum. Perhpas the OP can go there for suggestions.

Sounds like you are raising a wise young lady there

 

[He_Man]

Actually, I think that showing pictures of nudity and posting pictures of it in public places is illegal…I’m almost 100 percent sure it is.

It isn’t in many places, actually. And regardless, you, as a citizen, do not have the right, according to what you have said, to destroy it either way if it isn;t yours. legal or not, that’s the government’s job. You are obliged to leave the porn up for all to see.

And where was this outrage when the pro-life members had their signs destroyed (though they were legal) because they were too gruesome for kids?? The general consensus was, it was innappropriate so good for them.

The Golden Compass is very different from pornography.

No it isn’t. As bad, in fact, just in different ways. And more insidious as well.

And, you don’t really have control over the situation. You can asked to get the sign removed, btu you will ahve to accept the answer either way. So throwing it away would be the greater sin.

I am not sure if I disagree, or just am indifferent, but either way, I am tearing the poster down.

 

[jmcrae]

I guess Jesus didn’t follow His own teaching about extending the hand of friendship to those that offer you a fist and praying for your enemies and for those that do wrong. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Jesus was God and we are not.

He didn’t put up with obstinate dissent against Him, and I don’t think He expected the Church to, either. At least, my reading of history doesn’t lead me to think that they ever tolerated it in the Early Church.

It’s okay to stand up for Truth, I think.

 

[He_Man]

Pornography is illegal, movie posters are not.

Pictures of real people in compromising positions might also be illegal, pictures of actors portraying fictional characters are not.

My dd was also confronted with a poster from the Golden Compass at her school. Instead of pulling it down, she is approaching the school administration about it. As a result she has an opportunity to educate, to change minds, and to put up another poster for a book or movie from a book of her choice.

The OPs son has done nothing by his actions but make himself feel like a hero and ruin his standing in the eyes of the school administration.

I posted about my daughter’s question in the Popular Media forum. Perhpas the OP can go there for suggestions.

Doesn’t matter. No on claimed porn was legal or illegal. The pornographic materials don’t belong to you. Whether or not they are legal is forthe government to decide. According to this thread, we have no right to destroy them.

 

[blacktiger057]

I saw the Passion of the Christ; there was nothing in it specifically attacking Wiccans, or saying anything about them that isn’t actually true.

Yeah, I guess I should have used a better example. But hey, there are a TON of movies out there portraying witches in a very horrible way, which has given society a great mnay misconceptions about Wicca, Paganism, and witchcraft in general. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that before.

But I don’t organize write to Hollywood to stop the production of the movie or vandalizing all the signs I see of the latest “witch flick”. Basically, there are hundreds of film that show witches in bad lights. There aren’t many that does this to Christianity. So, again, it would be best and easiest if we all just live and let live instead of breaking the law.

As for Jesus, he forgave what the pharisees did. And people were selling things in the temple, the holy place, so understandbly he would have been mad.

But we can’t use the excuse that “people in the Bible did it all the time…a mere 2,000 years ago”. Lots have changed since 2,000 years. In this modern age, you must learn to live with all types of people and tolerate their opinions. If someone did what Jesus did to a movie theather showing the Golden COmpass today, they would have been put in jail or recieved a heavy fine. Things are just different.

 

[Sr_Sally]

Sounds like you are raising a wise young lady there

Thank you! I daily pray that that is so.

 

[He_Man]

Okay, so I lose perspective but to compare TGC to porn is not a leap. Riiigggghhhh.

There are leagal ways to dissent. We should not encourage illegal means. Two wrongs and all that.

Things like TGC are in fact as dangerous as porn. Different chemical effects, but only one has its sole underlying purpose to turn people away from God. The other has that as an after effect. The former is the Golden Compass. The latter is porn.

 

[He_Man]

Not everyone. I do not speed, I do not jaywalk.

I am bound to be a moral citizen, I do my best to obey the laws. If I do not like the law, I work to change it or choose to live elsewhere.

Which is great. I have started not speeding, though I do jaywalk. In either case, it is sinning, I don;t deny that.

Most people on here (according to a poll I believe we did), admit to speeding often. That was kind of my point. I didn’t imply everyone in the world sped.

 

[blacktiger057]

Let’s keep perspective. Tearing down posters is not the same as cutting off people’s heads with blunt sickles.

And newsflash: EVERYONE breaks laws they don’t agree with. Did you speed today? Lawbreaker. Jaywalk? Lawbreaker. Sodomy with your wife in certain counties throughout the US? Lawbreaker.

At least some of us will admit when we are doing something that is technically illegal.

Yeah, but it’s the same line of thinking…that was my point.

I don’t speed, as I don’t have a car. It’s not worth getting into an accident, anyway. I don’t jaywalk. I don’t have a wife yet. Just because “everyone else is doing it” is no excuse. No excuse at all.

 

[blacktiger057]

Things like TGC are in fact as dangerous as porn. Different chemical effects, but only one has its osle underlying purpose to turn people away from God. The other has that as an after effect. The former is the Golden Compass. The latter is porn.

Yeah, but not everyone believe in your perspective of God. And since the posters are public and not yours, you don’t have the right to take it down. Not everyone believes what you do…just get over it.

 

[He_Man]

Yeah, but it’s the same line of thinking…that was my point.

I don’t speed, as I don’t have a car. It’s not worth getting into an accident, anyway. I don’t jaywalk. I don’t have a wife yet. Just because “everyone else is doing it” is no excuse. No excuse at all.

I agree, I just meant it seems like you are selectively condeming Catholic/Christians. THAT was my point. Do that when you become perfect, Until then, realize no one is.

 

[He_Man]

Yeah, but not everyone believe in your perspective of God. And since the posters are public and not yours, you don’t have the right to take it down. Not everyone believes what you do…just get over it.

How can you debate the notion of sin when you admit to not believing what the Church teaches?

The thread is about sin. Not your rights, not legality, sin.

I know full well others don’t believe what we believe. As I know we are correct, I do what I can to stand up for my beliefs.

If you are so confident in your beliefs, shouldn’t you be willing to do the same?

 

[Sir_Knight]

My point is:

Which is the greater sin? Letting pornography be shown in public or propaganda that slanders God and attempt to turn people away from him, or removing that material even though it doesn’t belong to you?

You are mixing two concepts and then trying to get away with it by doing the lesser evil. It doesn’t work that way.

Is taking something that doesn’t belong to you wrong? It either is or it isn’t. I say it is because it violates the 7th commandment.

Doing such action BECAUSE of some reason does not change the fact that the act is wrong and our faith teaches that we may not doing something wrong EVEN FOR a good reason (the “because” part).