Taking down a poster a sin?

[estesbob]

When I saw this thread title, I thought somebody was talking about whether “taking down” a CAF poster was a sin. Are we allowed to kill each other for bad posts? Getting banned is bad enough. I don’t think the moderators get THAT rough. What kind of posts…some of mine have been pretty bad, but really…

But it is a SCHOOL poster you’re taliking about, not a CAF poster. I get it now. Duh.

If we could take down CAF posters we would all be making a list. I’ll bet we would be on each other’s lists

 

[latinmasslover]

You MAY not owe fidelity to your government (that debate is for another thread) but you DO owe fidelity to the Church that Christ established and as already pointed out, your actions would be in violation of official church teachings.

Official as in absolutely no exceptions, has never been approved and never will be? Official as in damned if done? I highly doubt that. If your son/daughter uses his/her allowance to buy Tarot cards, would God be displeased if you tossed them? I don’t think so.

 

[Sir_Knight]

My final thought is that perhaps God holds those to whom He has revealed Himself and taught His Law to an even higher standard of *action *than those who abide only by human law. Perhaps it would be worse for me to allow an evil I see being committed (the display of pornography in a public place, or an advertisement for a semi-pornographic play at a Catholic school) to continue than to stop it. Perhaps God’s justice is more than just following the rules that have been created on earth…

Sounds like a Protestant belief – that God has personally revealed things to private individuals that conflict with what His Holy Catholic Church teaches. As was pointed out before, even when heavenly apparitions happened, they ALWAYS instructed the individuals to remain obedient to the official teachings of the Catholic Church.

And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. – Matthew 16:19

Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. – Matthew 18:18

The above two scripture passages from Jesus HIMSELF appear to CONTRADICT your mistaken belief that “God’s justice is more than just following the rules that have been created on earth”

 

[latinmasslover]

Sounds like a Protestant belief – that God has personally revealed things to private individuals that conflict with what His Holy Catholic Church teaches. As was pointed out before, even when heavenly apparitions happened, they ALWAYS instructed the individuals to remain obedient to the official teachings of the Catholic Church.

And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. – Matthew 16:19

Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. – Matthew 18:18

The above two scripture passages from Jesus HIMSELF appear to CONTRADICT your mistaken belief that “God’s justice is more than just following the rules that have been created on earth”

Funnily enough the Church today emphasizes fidelity to one’s conscience quite a bit.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Official as in absolutely no exceptions, has never been approved and never will be? Official as in damned if done? I highly doubt that. If your son/daughter uses his/her allowance to buy Tarot cards, would God be displeased if you tossed them? I don’t think so.

I refer you to the words of our Lord that I quoted in my previous post …

And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. – Matthew 16:19

Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. – Matthew 18:18

… and add to that this passage …

Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you. – Hebrews 13:17

 

[Sir_Knight]

Funnily enough the Church today emphasizes fidelity to one’s conscience quite a bit.

To a FULLY DEVELOPED conscious which will ALWAYS be in AGREEMENT with the OFFICIAL teachings of the Catholic Church.

 

[Mirdath]

Official as in absolutely no exceptions, has never been approved and never will be? Official as in damned if done? I highly doubt that. If your son/daughter uses his/her allowance to buy Tarot cards, would God be displeased if you tossed them? I don’t think so.

You are not your country’s parent. You’re a citizen, just like the rest of us, with the same rights and responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is don’t destroy someone else’s stuff.

 

[latinmasslover]

I refer you to the words of our Lord that I quoted in my previous post …

And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. – Matthew 16:19

Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. – Matthew 18:18

… and add to that this passage …

Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you. – Hebrews 13:17

When Jesus was arrested in the Garden, which would you hope to have done: stand by Him or run away like a coward?

I’ll requote myself:
Official as in absolutely no exceptions, has never been approved and never will be? Official as in damned if done?

If there are exceptions to the Fifth Commandment I have no doubt that there are exceptions to the man-made laws.

 

[latinmasslover]

You are not your country’s parent. You’re a citizen, just like the rest of us, with the same rights and responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is don’t destroy someone else’s stuff.

If that’s not to your taste, I know of a few small islands for sale. You can set up your own country with its own laws that allow you to do anything you want there.

I get the picture from your posts that you have all the ideals of a crusader and martyr with none of the courage, the conviction, or the maturity that made them saints and legends.

Based on personal experience, it isn’t wise to voice mocking assumptions on people you do not know. I have nothing to prove to you. Answer the question or keep your criticisms to yourself; you do not know me, don’t pretend to because I’m not so stupid as to publicize questionable activities.

 

[Sir_Knight]

When Jesus was arrested in the Garden, which would you hope to have done: stand by Him or run away like a coward?

I have no clue what this comment has to do with anything.

I’ll requote myself:
Official as in absolutely no exceptions, has never been approved and never will be? Official as in damned if done?

If there are exceptions to the Fifth Commandment I have no doubt that there are exceptions to the man-made laws.

Have you been reading what has been posted? Do you doubt the Words of the Son of God? We have the ASSURANCE of Jesus that the official Catholic Church teachings taught here on earth WILL also be bound in heaven.

If the Catholic Church does not acknowledge an exception, then there is no exception to it’s “man-made laws”.

 

[CuriousInIL]

When Jesus was arrested in the Garden, which would you hope to have done: stand by Him or run away like a coward?

I’ll requote myself:
Official as in absolutely no exceptions, has never been approved and never will be? Official as in damned if done?

If there are exceptions to the Fifth Commandment I have no doubt that there are exceptions to the man-made laws.

Where did you get the idea that there are exceptions to the 5th commandment?

 

[latinmasslover]

Standing by Jesus Christ (in the Garden) or running away with the bishops, even though temporarily.

Thou shalt not kill. Capital punishment, war, self-defense…these are exceptions. Jesus overturned tables in the temple, God commanded the destruction of idols…there are exceptions, and just because certain officials refuse to acknowledge that they exist doesn’t mean they’re non-existant. False worship: do the protestants sin grievously? the Jews? the Native Americans? Exceptions are everywhere.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Standing by Jesus Christ (in the Garden) or running away with the bishops, even though temporarily.

Are you questioning the authority of the Catholic Church?

Thou shalt not kill. Capital punishment, war, self-defense…these are exceptions. Jesus overturned tables in the temple, God commanded the destruction of idols…there are exceptions, and just because certain officials refuse to acknowledge that they exist doesn’t mean they’re non-existant. False worship: do the protestants sin grievously? the Jews? the Native Americans? Exceptions are everywhere.

The original translation says “Thou shall not murder.” which is very different from “thou shall not kill”.

Catholic Church teaching (CCC2408 supported via CCC1753) is VERY clear that it would be SINFUL to take down the poster.

 

[Newbie2]

Because of all the little personal jabs at my son and I, I’m declaring a 30 foot don’t f!@K with me zone from now on. If I don’t like it , I remove from my zone and that includes you. Have a nice day.

Hmmmm. This thread has changed a bit since it started, hmmmm?

*Originally Posted by Newbie2:
No, every rule most certainly does not have an exception.

So…using your logic, it’d be wrong to burn down an abortion clinic for insurance money but OK for what reason?*

to stop the murder of innocent children; unless, of course, you value property over innocent lives.

We’re agreed on wanting to stop abortion, but in relation to the OP in this thread, how does one justify and under what circumstances can one break the law?

So why not go out and do it (burn down a clinic), if burning down a building prevents abortions? Why don’t all of us committed Catholics go out and do it?

I’d suggest the answer is that destroying another’s property (burning down an abortion clinic) is against the law.

Similar topic of discussion in other threads, what is the appropriate and proportionate response to evil?

No easy answers.

 

[jmcrae]

Have you been reading what has been posted? Do you doubt the Words of the Son of God? We have the ASSURANCE of Jesus that the official Catholic Church teachings taught here on earth WILL also be bound in heaven.

The official teaching of the Catholic Church says nothing specific about removing offensive material from public places, or from places where children are likely to view it.

As I understand it, one of our highest duties is to protect the innocence of little children, so I think it is well within Catholic morality to remove offensive materials before they have a chance to encounter them, even if this means removing them before asking permission to do so.

As someone who has worked with priests and lay leaders extensively over the past four years with regard to women’s and children’s issues around abuse and bullying, I can’t imagine a single one of them objecting to the removal of offensive materials from a school - in fact, I’m very sure they would applaud the effort.

As someone above pointed out, it’s not “stealing” - it’s “taking out the trash.”

 

[Sir_Knight]

The official teaching of the Catholic Church says nothing specific about removing offensive material from public places, or from places where children are likely to view it.

The Catholic Church says that you are not entitled to another person’s property.

As I understand it, one of our highest duties is to protect the innocence of little children, so I think it is well within Catholic morality to remove offensive materials before they have a chance to encounter them, even if this means removing them before asking permission to do so.

As someone who has worked with priests and lay leaders extensively over the past four years with regard to women’s and children’s issues around abuse and bullying, I can’t imagine a single one of them objecting to the removal of offensive materials from a school - in fact, I’m very sure they would applaud the effort.

And you are not allowed to sin even if for a good reason.

As someone above pointed out, it’s not “stealing” - it’s “taking out the trash.”

You are passing a judgement – something that Jesus told us NOT to do. One man’s junk is another man’s treasure and in either case, you are not entitled to it.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The Catholic Church says that you are not entitled to another person’s property.

And you are not allowed to sin even if for a good reason.

You are passing a judgement – something that Jesus told us NOT to do. One man’s junk is another man’s treasure and in either case, you are not entitled to it.

Do you get the impression we’re dealing with Gnostics – people who have become so wise they have become Jesus and can make up their morality on the fly?

 

[latinmasslover]

Do you get the impression we’re dealing with Gnostics – people who have become so wise they have become Jesus and can make up their morality on the fly?

you seem to imply that the pope can change the morality of God. Not all popes made good moral judgments. Look at the Crusades and Inquisition. I for one support them both, minus the abuses of course, but it seems like you and others would be begging the nonCatholics for forgiveness. Morality doesn’t change, drastic times call for drastic measures. The salvation of souls is more impt. than personal property allowed by a govt. with constantly changing laws/morality.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Are you saying that the teachings of the Catholic Church are wrong?

 

[jmcrae]

Do you get the impression we’re dealing with Gnostics – people who have become so wise they have become Jesus and can make up their morality on the fly?

Vern;

I know you’re not married and you have no children (if you do, God have pity on them, poor souls!!) but, imagine for a moment that you did, and also (just pretend really hard, now) that you loved them like you ought to love your own soul.

Would you stand there for even a minute and let them look at a pornographic poster, while you go and get the paperwork to fill out, and permissions in triplicate, in order to be able to legally remove it? Or would you take it out of their sight before they have a chance to see it and be insulted by it?

Are you a bureaucrat, or a lover, Vern?