Taking down a poster a sin?

[latinmasslover]

All anyone has to do is read your posts on other threads on CAF and they will know exactly what I’m talking about. If I’m wrong the what the heck does the authority of the Church have to do with whether one should take down a movie poster are not?

When the Church makes an official statement declaring inanimate and sinful objects/literature/buildings to be more important than the souls of his children please let me know. Love of God comes first, love of neigbor second, and private property is even farther down the line. You have posted comments that I will not even repeat that would make conservative Catholics shudder. But that’s in the past, try sticking with the now.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

How about going into the movie theater where its about to play and tearing down the screen? Would that be the same?

 

[latinmasslover]

How about going into the movie theater where its about to play and tearing down the screen? Would that be the same?

if one doesn’t have a problem getting arrested, why not? lol. seriously, sloppiness isn’t my forte, so I myself wouldn’t do it. Would I harbor somebody who did it, yes (assuming their intentions were right).

 

[estesbob]

When the Church makes an official statement declaring inanimate and sinful objects/literature/buildings to be more important than the souls of his children please let me know. Love of God comes first, love of neigbor second, and private property is even farther down the line. You have posted comments that I will not even repeat that would make conservative Catholics shudder. But that’s in the past, try sticking with the now.

Ah! Defamation by ineundo. How nice.

 

[latinmasslover]

Ah! Defamation by ineundo. How nice.

To continue the immature path we’re leaning on, it’s innuendo. Don’t give what you can’t take.

 

[Sir_Knight]

He gave us two commandments, but they are:

LOVE GOD (number ONE)
and to love our neighbor

Did you perhaps overlook Matt 7:1 – “Judge NOT, and you shall not be judged”?

I’m talking about getting rid of stuff that leads to sin,

Did the apostles get rid of stuff that leads others to sin?

what is your problem?

My problem with you is that you think that you have GREATER authority than the apostles who were commissioned by the Son of God Himself. Do you think that the apostles did not want to save others from sin? Of course they did! Yet they did not rob or destroy other people’s property. Why do you think that is? Maybe because it’s wrong! You don’t fight sin WITH sin.

You sound as though I’m saying to burn every synogogue and and mosque. It’s common sense; I’m not talking about getting rid of what isn’t a preference, but what is sinful and immoral.

Then why shouldn’t the Protestants be allowed to storm Catholic Churches and destroy all of our statues and paintings because in their view it is sinful & immoral to worship idols? Just as they have authority to make that judgement call, neither do you.

Since you brought up the Apostles, they didn’t do everything perfectly as you imply.

I never IMPLIED that they DID everything perfectly. I said that they TAUGHT the faith PERFECTLY and FREE of ANY error – that is Catholic belief!

Not everything is recorded on paper, you know. Did they do what I suggest? I can’t answer that. Would they these days if they were around? I can’t answer that either.

And until you do, you have no right to somebody else’s property.

They weren’t perfect, neither am I.

Yet, shouldn’t we strieve to be perfect? Does Jesus tell us this? To be perfect as the Father is perfect. Your excuse is that somebody else wasn’t perfect so I don’t have to try my hardest to be perfect either? That’s a pretty poor excuse.

I believe the Lord values souls and lives over inanimate objects/buildings, especially child slaughter houses. You disagree? That’s between you and God.

I believe that you can not fight sin with sin because even if you commit sin for a “good” reason, you are STILL sinning – which is offensive to God. I also believe, and scripture backs me up on this, that those who do not KNOW that they are sinning, offend God to a lesser degree than those who do know that they are sinning even if those who do not know commit a grester sin.

If you think that you are serving God by sinning for a ‘good’ reason, that is between you and God but such actions are not supported by the Bible or the teachings of the Catholic Church – which, according to Jesus, has the final say on the matter (" … whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven … ").

 

[Sir_Knight]

When the Church makes an official statement declaring inanimate and sinful objects/literature/buildings to be more important than the souls of his children please let me know. Love of God comes first, love of neigbor second, and private property is even farther down the line.

When the church gives you authority over somebody else’s property, let us known. Until then, you are suggesting actions which are un-Catholic (not supported by the bible or any official Catholic teaching) and very possibly leading others into sin.

 

[jmcrae]

Did you perhaps overlook Matt 7:1 – “Judge NOT, and you shall not be judged”?

The understanding of the Church (or at least, what I’ve been teaching in Catechism classes for the past six~ years or so, out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church) is that this refers to “judging” whether or not someone is going to Hell.

It doesn’t mean that we abdicate our common sense, or take on a philosophy of “whatever works for you, Dude!” We still have to evaluation situations, and choose the best course of action for all involved - meaning, the course of action that will lead as many as possible into the Kingdom of Heaven, or at least, not out of it.

Did the apostles get rid of stuff that leads others to sin?

What leads you to believe they didn’t?

 

[Sir_Knight]

The understanding of the Church (or at least, what I’ve been teaching in Catechism classes for the past six~ years or so, out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church) is that this refers to “judging” whether or not someone is going to Hell.

Actually, out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church “judging” refers to condemning. We are not to condemn the actions of others.

It doesn’t mean that we abdicate our common sense, or take on a philosophy of “whatever works for you, Dude!” We still have to evaluation situations, and choose the best course of action for all involved - meaning, the course of action that will lead as many as possible into the Kingdom of Heaven, or at least, not out of it.

Where does the Catechism of the Catholic Church give us, as INDIVIDUALS, the right or the duty to decide when someone else’s property rights end?

What leads you to believe they didn’t?

Because it isn’t recorded anywhere in scripture nor in any of the writings of the early church fathers that they did.

 

[jmcrae]

Actually, out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church “judging” refers to condemning. We are not to condemn the actions of others.

We can certainly condemn other people’s actions, and point out that they are sinful actions. What we cannot do is presume to condemn people’s souls. But, if we can’t condemn certain actions as being sinful, then how are we to save souls? (And what are you doing in this thread, condemning the act of removing offensive posters? )

Where does the Catechism of the Catholic Church give us, as INDIVIDUALS, the right or the duty to decide when someone else’s property rights end?

This isn’t about “property rights” - it’s about offensive material being placed in public or semi-public spaces, for the purpose of offending the innocent and leading them astray. Jesus had pretty harsh words for those who offend the innocent.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Jesus may have had pretty harsh words for those who offend the innocent but NOWHERE in scripture or in any of the writings of the early church fathers is it recorded that Christ’s followers took or destroyed offensive material in public or semi-public spaces.

Why didn’t they? ESPECIALLY when Jesus had hard words for those who offend the innocent? Because it would have been wrong for them to do so. You don’t fight one sin with another sin! The apostles and the early followers understood this. People here today obviously do not.

What makes you think that you have greater authority or a greater duty than those who were PERSONALLY commissioned by the Son of God Himself?

 

[TOP]

CHAPTER XIV.
Martin destroys Heathen Temples and Altars.
NOR did he show less eminence, much about the same time, in other transactions of a like kind. For, having in a certain village set fire to a very ancient and celebrated temple, the circle of flames was carried by the action of the wind upon a house which was very close to, yea, connected with, the temple. When Martin perceived this, he climbed by rapid ascent to the roof of the house, presenting himself in front of the advancing flames. Then indeed might the fire have been seen thrust back in a wonderful manner against the force of the wind, so that there appeared a sort of conflict of the two elements fighting together. Thus, by the influence of Martin, the fire only acted in the place where it was ordered to do so. But in a village which was named Leprosum, when he too wished to overthrow a temple which had acquired great wealth through the superstitious ideas entertained of its sanctity, a multitude of the heathen resisted him to such a degree that he was driven back not without bodily injury. He, therefore, withdrew to a place in the vicinity, and there for three days, clothed in sackcloth[30] and ashes fasting and praying the whole time, he besought the Lord, that, as he had not been able to overthrow that temple by human effort, Divine power might be exerted to destroy it. Then two angels, with spears and shields after the manner of heavenly warriors, suddenly presented themselves to him, saying that they were sent by the Lord to put to flight the rustic multitude, and to furnish protection to Martin, lest, while the temple was being destroyed, any one should offer resistance. They told him therefore to return, and complete the blessed work which he had begun. Accordingly Martin returned to the village; and while the crowds of heathen looked on in perfect quiet as he razed the pagan temple even to the foundations, he also reduced all the altars and images to dust. At this sight the rustics, when they perceived that they had been so astounded and terrified by an intervention of the Divine will, that they might not be found fighting against the bishop, almost all believed in the Lord Jesus. They then began to cry out openly and to confess that the God of Martin ought to be worshiped, and that the idols should be despised, which were not able to help them.

users.csbsju.edu/~eknuth/npnf2-11/sulpitiu/lifeofst.html
Written by Sulpicius Severus en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_%281913%29/Sulpicius_Severus

 

[Neil_Anthony]

if one doesn’t have a problem getting arrested, why not? lol. seriously, sloppiness isn’t my forte, so I myself wouldn’t do it. Would I harbor somebody who did it, yes (assuming their intentions were right).

Okay, what about using force against employees of the movie theater if they try to stop you tearing down the movie screen?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Jesus drove the moneylenders out of the temple.

Let him who claims to be Jesus do the same. But for the rest of us – at least those who don’t hear voices telling us what to do – let us obey the laws.

Let us also remember the Law of Unintended Consequences – when we behave unlawfully, we may well convince people it’s because we are unlawful people, not rightous people.

 

[TOP]

Plenty of destruction of pagan temples going on in this book. By some well knowns. Enjoy, books.google.com/books?id=fFhsk-ccTsAC&pg=PP1&dq=recent+research+on+the+late+antique+countryside&sig=xSoXtKSqlGmulMEZCkShQ031Gw8

 

[TOP]

St. Victor of Marseille: His activity was discovered by enemies of the Faith and Victor was denounced to the Emperor. He was brought before two prefects in the city, who, because of his distinction, sent him to the Emperor himself. The tyrant imposed cruel torments on him in an attempt to make him deny the Catholic Faith. All those tortures were futile because Victor remained faithful. After being tortured, he was thrown in a prison, and there he converted the three soldiers who were guarding him. When the Emperor heard this, he ordered that Vincent be taken to a pagan temple to burn incense to the false idol Jupiter. Victor went up to the altar and kicked the statue to the ground.
traditioninaction.org/SOD/j186sd_VictorMarseille_7-21.shtml

 

[estesbob]

St. Victor of Marseille: His activity was discovered by enemies of the Faith and Victor was denounced to the Emperor. He was brought before two prefects in the city, who, because of his distinction, sent him to the Emperor himself. The tyrant imposed cruel torments on him in an attempt to make him deny the Catholic Faith. All those tortures were futile because Victor remained faithful. After being tortured, he was thrown in a prison, and there he converted the three soldiers who were guarding him. When the Emperor heard this, he ordered that Vincent be taken to a pagan temple to burn incense to the false idol Jupiter. Victor went up to the altar and kicked the statue to the ground.
traditioninaction.org/SOD/j186sd_VictorMarseille_7-21.shtml

By GOSH Bring on all those godless psoter hangers!!! Im ready for them;

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[TOP]

You can be the forward observer.

 

[vern_humphrey]

You can be the forward observer.

Repeat range, fire for effect!

 

[latinmasslover]

Okay, what about using force against employees of the movie theater if they try to stop you tearing down the movie screen?

Nothing sinful about self defense.