You are tiptoeing around the answer, show me the evidence of pagan liturgical dances being in vogue in the Catholic churches. Then if the SSPX priests will be in full communion and you will still have evidence of pagan liturgical dances at that time then you will have a point.
I have two reactions to the video an intellectual one and a gut one. My gut reaction is yuck!!
I do not like, it is not part of my culture nor of my personal preferences, I do not want to see it in my parish.
Intellectually I can see that is aligned with the local culture, it is not pagan, it is not part of the liturgy, and the deacon is the one that appropriately brings the lectionary onto the altar.I did not intend to infer that the video is pagan. It’s more of a secular/carnival cultural kind of thing, by the appearance, and as such, not really suited for the celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but that’s just me.I have two reactions to the video an intellectual one and a gut one. My gut reaction is yuck!!
My intellectual reaction is
It is not just you, at least it is just the two of us.
That isn’t a Mass.
Thanks…good to know that it isn’t a Mass. The bible being help up by the girl (is it a bible?) caused me to think it was a Mass. It’s still awful, though…really awful. For a Carnival celebration to enter into a Church is just sad. But I’m glad to know it’s not a Mass.
Cristiano, I’m not saying that having the SSPX priests back in full communion will magically end all new age/pagan/ experimental etc. abuses. I’m predicting that one would never, ever see such things in a Mass celebrated by a (present or reconciled) SSPX priest…or any priest who cherishes the EF Mass, for that matter.
What about horses and jockeys being brought into the church for a blessing before the Palio di Siena. It is a centuries old tradition, is that sad?
I’ll still go with the quote by the Brazilian YouTube poster, who certainly must be aware that it’s a Novena and not a Mass. And y’all are right, it isn’t clear which it is from the video alone, and it is inside of a Roman Catholic Cathedral. Out in the public square, or in the street, might be a different story.
Carnival was Catholic when it started. They have taken it back.
The sarcasm really isn’t needed.I’ll still go with the quote by the Brazilian YouTube poster, who certainly must be aware that it’s a Novena and not a Mass. And y’all are right, it isn’t clear which it is from the video alone, and it is inside of a Roman Catholic Cathedral. Out in the public square, or in the street, might be a different story.
At least the barefoot acrobat/clown didn’t pass the book along using his toes, which I also half expected.
Please. Don’t bring up Youtube examples of who knows what event claiming to be a Catholic Mass. Or one actual event multiplied into a zillion through repostings.
You know what I predict? Mr. Casey is going to be closing threads and possibly putting a ban on discussing OF/EF Mass, since we have people that can’t seem to keep from making even subtle jabs:
All very true.
You also won’t see them celebrating the OF either…you know, the form that 99%+ of Catholics across the world attend.
No member of an institute has the authority to speak for his institute, except the superior general or his delegate.
How many priests give us clown masses? I have been around a very long time on three continents and many states withing the USA and have never seen a clown mass. I see the same ridiculous videos on YouTube. But YouTube can be replayed many times over to make it look like something is the daily bread. Don’t let that fool you. Count in your life time, how many you have personally seen.To those who trivialize the importance of getting the SSPX back into full communion with Rome based on their relatively low numbers- I submit that the impact of having 570 highly traditional-minded priests and their congregations reunited with us may provide a spiritual impact greater than their numbers alone would suggest. In other words, that would be 570 priests guaranteed not to give us “clown masses”
They’d have to be biritualSince you mentioned about accepting a diversity of tradition and practice, I wonder if any of them (SSPX or FSSP) are willing to concelebrate in a Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom? And if they do, just for kicks, the Byzantine Rite celebrant should put them on the far side of the table so they are facing the people
Pagan? Pagan is when it is dedicated to some non existent god. African, Papuans, and Indigenous peoples of the Amazon are allowed to have dances at their mass. They wear makeup and everything. This is to avoid looking like Europeans.
There are many more priests than there are ridiculous videos on youtube. Youtube also has some very good videos of very beautiful masses in the EF and OF.
Do you speak Portuguese? I do. This is not a mass. This is a celebration in honor of Our Lady of Aparecida. They’re using local folklore and customs to celebrate it. Actually, the words that the MC is speaking are very beautiful and theologically true. He said, “We owe a debt of gratitude to Mary. Were it not for her, the Word of God would not reach us.” That’s why the girl at the top of that thing is carrying the Bible. It’s not a lectionary.
We do this every year on the Feast of St. Francis, all over the world. You should have seen the critters that I blessed last Thursday, among them a tarantula. Those things make me shiver. I’ll tell you, it was the fasted blessing I ever gave.