Taoism and Catholicism

[Psychotheosophy]

If we simply followed nature,
there would be no City of God.

So,
Life does not belong only to the strongest?

‘All are created by God’
‘the Lord God is good’,
so ‘all that God created He created good’;

So,
Since all of creation has Goodness,
Then all of creation deserves to live?

…the part cannot possess perfections whereof the whole is deprived. (Tablet to August Forel, p. 11)
**Man possesses certain virtues of which nature is deprived. **(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, PUP, p. 79)
**The truth is that God has given to man certain powers which are supernatural. **(PUP, p. 17)

Remember the parables gently told:
The Master sent out workers at different times, and paid them what was agreed.
(These can be compared to the Abrahamic faiths, each with their own covenants.)

Or the one about the land owner who sent revenue collectors who were beaten.
So He sent His own Son, Who was killed. What will He do? Return and establish justice.

The world cannot be governed at this stage without the benevolent King.

So,
One person cannot have Perfect Happiness,
Unless all have Perfect Happiness?

Isn’t there a saying in politics,
“You can not please all the people
All of the time?”

 

[DavidMark]

“Love the creatures for the sake of God and not for themselves.
You will never become angry or impatient if you love them for the sake of God.
Humanity is not perfect. There are imperfections in every human being, and you will always become unhappy if you look toward the people themselves.
But if you look toward God, you will love them and be kind to them, for the world of God is the world of perfection and complete mercy.
Therefore, do not look at the shortcomings of anybody; see with the sight of forgiveness. The imperfect eye beholds imperfections.
The eye that covers faults looks toward the Creator of souls.”

(Abdu’l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 93)

 

[Psychotheosophy]

I hope we can have a dialogue again soon.
There has been a number of questions
You haven’t answered.

So,
Life does not belong only to the strongest?

From a catholic perspective,
Since God is all-powerful
And all die
Then all deserve death.
But some deserve eternal life.

…the part cannot possess perfections whereof the whole is deprived. (Tablet to August Forel, p. 11)
**Man possesses certain virtues of which nature is deprived. **(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, PUP, p. 79)
**The truth is that God has given to man certain powers which are supernatural. **(PUP, p. 17)

People are considered higher than other animals,
Because People are capable of domesticating and making peace,
With even the most aggressive of other animals.
Domestication and making peace
Are products of reason.

Even though,
Without reason,
We naturally desire Peace,
We must submit instinct to reason
To find peace in ourselves and with others.

Therefore, then, it only makes sense,
That God took the form of a man,
In the person of Jesus Christ,
To bring peace to the world.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

From a catholic perspective,
Since God is all-powerful
And all die
Then all deserve death.
But some deserve eternal life.

I’m sorry,
That was confusing.

From a catholic perspective,
Since God is all-powerful
And all die
Then all deserve death.
But some merit eternal life.

 

[DavidMark]

Once conceived,
the soul is eternal.
Will it be close
or far from God?

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Once conceived,
the soul is eternal.
Will it be close
or far from God?

If the soul
Hates what is eternal,
It will hate itself,
And be far from happy.

What is sin in mankind, such as greed, violence, infanticide etc. is not sin among lions.

Instinctively,
Worldly power is valued,
Worldly weakness is attacked,
Is infanticide partly instinctive?

 

[DavidMark]

I like your responses.
Satan could not tempt the Lord with worldly dominions;
and yet they will ultimately come under Him.
When they put the crown of thorns on Him,
He saw the crowns of kings at His feet.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

I like your responses.
Satan could not tempt the Lord with worldly dominions;
and yet they will ultimately come under Him.
When they put the crown of thorns on Him,
He saw the crowns of kings at His feet.

But,…

Satan did tempt the Lord
With worldly dominions
In the desert
Where there is
Little to eat or drink.

And the Lord always had
Worldly dominions
Under Him.

Could you clarify?

Is infanticide partly instinctive?

I’m still wondering,
Is infanticide partly instinctive?

 

[DavidMark]

Peace to you.

I meant that Satan didn’t succeed
in the attempt to tempt Lord Jesus.

Infanticide, cannibalism, necrophilia
what else can we lower ourselves too?
If it is instinctive, than yearning for holiness
is also instinctive. So what’s it going to be,
close or far, very close or very far?
Degrees within degrees,
you’ll have to agree.

recent poem:
if you take it
just credit me.
REAL
CALM
WILL
COME
WHEN
TRUE
LOVE
DOTH
STOP
THEM
THAT
WILL
KILL
FOLK
FLAT
DEAD
EVEN
LIKE
UNTO
DEER
MEAT

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Peace to you.

Peace.

Infanticide, cannibalism, necrophilia
what else can we lower ourselves too?

We eat what appears to be bread.
We do not eat what appears to be people.
So how do we tell the difference?

recent poem:
if you take it
just credit me.

Thank you.

REAL
CALM
WILL
COME
WHEN
TRUE
LOVE
DOTH
STOP
THEM
THAT
WILL
KILL
FOLK
FLAT
DEAD
EVEN
LIKE
UNTO
DEER
MEAT

So,
The “instinct” toward Life,
Is found in Principle,
And the “instinct” toward death,
Is found in the body?

 

[DavidMark]

Interesting thing that you say…
Whatever is composed
will eventually be decomposed,
including the host that is digested.

All things easily follow the Way,
but man often does not obey.
May God forgives us when we pray,
and in the end, not be disgusted.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Interesting thing that you say…
Whatever is composed
will eventually be decomposed,
including the host that is digested.

I agree,

Bread decomposes.
The body decompose.

But,

Unity (God) does not decompose.

So,

How could God become God and man in one person?

All things easily follow the Way,
but man often does not obey.

All things easily follow the Way,
But man often does not follow the Way?

So,
The “instinct” toward Life,
Is found in Principle,
And the “instinct” toward death,
Is found in the body?

I’m still wondering about this.

May God forgives us when we pray,
and in the end, not be disgusted.

If God,
(In the person of Jesus)
Forgave all sins,
For all time,
In one act,
On the cross,

Why must we be forgiven often?

 

[DavidMark]

I believe sacrifice, atonement and salvation
are themes that play again and again.
Noah had to save the creatures in the ark;
the only ones who knew the Holy One of Israel;
Moses had to save the Israelites out of Egypt;
Jesus had to save the hearts of all mankind,
whether they be Jew or Gentile or barbarian.
When we saved mankind once for all time,
we need to remember that one God sent all
the previous saviors and all the future saviors.
The nations need to be prevented from WW III,
and somehow welded into a working community.
The entire bio-sphere needs saving this time.
Would God really leave us alone at this point?
Don’t we need that same Holy One of Israel?
My point is this global salvation we all need
is not contrary to the personal salvation individuals need.
But we are in danger of rejecting the Unifier of Nations
because He has a Name different from Yeshua, the Christos.
To reject the long-promised Revelation is
to reject the long-trusted One, and stray.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

I believe sacrifice, atonement and salvation
are themes that play again and again.

Eternal things are difficult to understand,
Seeing that not even the soul is eternal,
Since it did not exist before it was created.

When we saved mankind once for all time,
we need to remember that one God sent all
the previous saviors and all the future saviors.

When “we” saved mankind?
I think you just negated Judiaism, Islam, and Christianity.

The nations need to be prevented from WW III,
and somehow welded into a working community.

And force them against their will?
Like they did in WW II?

The entire bio-sphere needs saving this time.

The earth will pass away,
And with all those who cling to it.

Don’t we need that same Holy One of Israel?
My point is this global salvation we all need
is not contrary to the personal salvation individuals need.

If my salvation depends on others being saved,
That is a strong motivator to coerce others.

But we are in danger of rejecting the Unifier of Nations
because He has a Name different from Yeshua, the Christos.
To reject the long-promised Revelation is
to reject the long-trusted One, and stray.

The Holy One,
Or the evil one?

 

[Psychotheosophy]

I want to apologize for my
Rambling outburst.

I understand that The Baha’i faith
States that it includes all religions (including Christianity),
And I had really hoped so,
But I see little evidence of it.

I do believe members of the Baha’i faith,
Perform many good works,
And I do appreciate that.

Peace.

 

[DavidMark]

Eternal things are difficult to understand,
Seeing that not even the soul is eternal,
Since it did not exist before it was created.

In our Writings there is the eternity that had no beginning and no end, that is the Godhead, and the Pre-existent Logos, the Primal Will that is periodically manifested.
There is the eternity that begins but never ends, which would be a human soul.
Then there is the eternity that never began but ends, and I haven’t understood that one yet, but I have personal theories. Then, there is the world that begins and ends, yet has been and is being re-created at all times. So, there has always been a creation.

When “we” saved mankind? I think you just negated Judiaism, Islam, and Christianity.
You’re right. It should have been "He"

And force them against their will?
Like they did in WW II? No. The scenario we see is the nations forming a federation like the thritn colonies did, with individual rights to change their religion, marry who they want, and follow their career paths they way they want. That is the non-Baha’i world leaders finally elevating th UN to a world parliament. Baha’i is no Big Brother either.

If my salvation depends on others being saved,
That is a strong motivator to coerce others.
Remember Buddha was withheld from sammadhi until he sacrificed himself to guide others. Ours is the duty to genuinely live and spread the genuine Gospel, and that cannot be faked.

The Holy One of Israel rules supreme already.
Peace is the realization and celebration of that.

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Psychotheosophy;5946961:

Eternal things are difficult to understand,
Seeing that not even the soul is eternal,
Since it did not exist before it was created.

In our Writings there is the eternity that had no beginning and no end, that is the Godhead, and the Pre-existent Logos, the Primal Will that is periodically manifested.
There is the eternity that begins but never ends, which would be a human soul.
Then there is the eternity that never began but ends, and I haven’t understood that one yet, but I have personal theories. Then, there is the world that begins and ends, yet has been and is being re-created at all times. So, there has always been a creation.

When “we” saved mankind? I think you just negated Judiaism, Islam, and Christianity.
You’re right. It should have been "He"

And force them against their will?
Like they did in WW II? No. The scenario we see is the nations forming a federation like the thritn colonies did, with individual rights to change their religion, marry who they want, and follow their career paths they way they want. That is the non-Baha’i world leaders finally elevating th UN to a world parliament. Baha’i is no Big Brother either.

If my salvation depends on others being saved,
That is a strong motivator to coerce others.
Remember Buddha was withheld from sammadhi until he sacrificed himself to guide others. Ours is the duty to genuinely live and spread the genuine Gospel, and that cannot be faked.

The Holy One of Israel rules supreme already.
Peace is the realization and celebration of that.

Tell me more.

 

[DavidMark]

O CHILDREN OF MEN!
Know ye not why We created you all from the same dust? That no one should exalt himself over the other. Ponder at all times in your hearts how ye were created. Since We have created you all from one same substance it is incumbent on you to be even as one soul, to walk with the same feet, eat with the same mouth and dwell in the same land, that from your inmost being, by your deeds and actions, the signs of oneness and the essence of detachment may be made manifest. Such is My counsel to you, O concourse of light! Heed ye this counsel that ye may obtain the fruit of holiness from the tree of wondrous glory. (Bahá’u’lláh, The Arabic Hidden Words, #68)

**There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. **(Bahá’u’lláh, GWB, p. 217)

Let there be no mistake. The principle of the Oneness of Mankind – the pivot round which all the teachings of Bahá’u’lláh revolve – is no mere outburst of ignorant emotionalism or an expression of vague and pious hope.
Its appeal is not to be merely identified with a reawakening of the spirit of brotherhood and good-will among men, nor does it aim solely at the fostering of harmonious cooperation among individual peoples and nations.
Its implications are deeper, its claims greater than any which the Prophets of old were allowed to advance.
Its message is applicable not only to the individual, but concerns itself primarily with the nature of those essential relationships that must bind all the states and nations as members of one human family.
It does not constitute merely the enunciation of an ideal, but stands inseparably associated with an institution adequate to embody its truth, demonstrate its validity, and perpetuate its influence.
It implies an organic change in the structure of present-day society, a change such as the world has not yet experienced.
It constitutes a challenge, at once bold and universal, to outworn shibboleths of national creeds – creeds that have had their day and which must, in the ordinary course of events as shaped and controlled by Providence, give way to a new gospel, fundamentally different from, and infinitely superior to, what the world has already conceived.
It calls for no less than the reconstruction and the demilitarization of the whole civilized world – a world organically unified in all the essential aspects of its life, its political machinery, its spiritual aspiration, its trade and finance, its script and language, and yet infinite in the diversity of the national characteristics of its federated units.
It represents the consummation of human evolution – an evolution that has had its earliest beginnings in the birth of family life, its subsequent development in the achievement of tribal solidarity, leading in turn to the constitution of the city-state, and expanding later into the institution of independent and sovereign nations. (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 42)

 

[Psychotheosophy]

Let there be no mistake. The principle of the Oneness of Mankind…Its appeal is not to be merely identified with a reawakening of the spirit of brotherhood and good-will among men, nor does it aim solely at the fostering of harmonious cooperation among individual peoples and nations.

“QUOTE=Psychotheosophy;5946961” Eternal things are difficult to understand,
Seeing that not even the soul is eternal,
Since it did not exist before it was created.

In our Writings…

I would hardly call this good-will.

“QUOTE=Psychotheosophy;5946961”

…
When “we” saved mankind? I think you just negated Judiaism, Islam, and Christianity
You’re right. It should have been “He”…

…And force them against their will?
Like they did in WW II? No.

And it is offensive to discuss the Holocaust while playing around.

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Then, there is the world that begins and ends, yet has been and is being re-created at all times.

The entire bio-sphere needs saving this time.

By the way,
If the world is perpetually “recreating” itself,
How do we know if “Climate Change” is a bad thing?

 

[DavidMark]

Psychotheosophy: I value our dialogue and don’t want it to suffer, but the pastings in your last post are confusing me. Are you implying a lack of good-will somewhere?
And then you asked “If the world is perpetually “recreating” itself,
How do we know if “Climate Change” is a bad thing?”
I never said the world re-creates itself; God’s will is what is making new planets and stars out of old ones!
Climate change may be a good thing, but some will suffer, if it is too extreme.
Just write to me again clearly.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

**Thus doth the Lord make plain the ways of truth and guidance,
ways that lead to one way, which is this Straight Path. **
Render thanks unto God for this most gracious favour;
offer praise unto Him for this bounty
that hath encompassed the heavens and the earth;
extol Him for this mercy that hath pervaded all creation.
(Baha’u’llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 24)