Taylor Marshall 'Catholic' Podcaster "Aliens are demons"

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This slide into weirdness was and is inevitable for these radicals that have taken a stand against Pope Francis pontificate. I remember when Taylor Marshall first came on the scene in the mid 2000’s not long after his conversion and he was just fantastic. But15 years on, he like other internet radical Catholics, is sinking deeper and deeper into the abyss.

 
If you are curious about alien life, don’t look at ufology. Look at SETI and scientists like Seth Shostak.

I remember ufology being a big thing in the 90s, but then it started to die down with the skeptic movement of the late 2000s. I was surprised to see it resurge since 2017 or so.

Anyway Christianity is not impacted by existence of other ensouled beings on other planets because God is their God too.
 
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gpmj12 said:
This slide into weirdness was and is inevitable for these radicals that have taken a stand against Pope Francis pontificate. I remember when Taylor Marshall first came on the scene in the mid 2000’s not long after his conversion and he was just fantastic. But15 years on, he like other internet radical Catholics, is sinking deeper and deeper into the abyss.

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I’m confused by your post. Are you saying that his belief that the “aliens” that so many people have been fixated on for years, might actually be supernatural beings, is somehow weird and radical?
 
Curiously many people who have seen UFO have also indulged in New Age spirituality. In most cases the sightings could be explained by using drugs, mental illness or overactive imagination, but some of them could really be demonic deception.

Aliens travelling thousands of light years to visit the Earth, doing it thousands of times through the last 75 years (but never before) and not leaving any convincing proof of their visits - I’ll never buy that story.
 
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I’m confused by your post. Are you saying that his belief that the “aliens” that so many people have been fixated on for years, might actually be supernatural beings, is somehow weird and radical?
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I was wondering that myself. There was absolutely nothing wrong with that video, taken all by itself. Speculating that “aliens” might be demonic manifestations is nothing unique to “rad-tradism”, or Catholicism in general for that matter. The argument has been advanced elsewhere.

Put another way, someone please complete the following sentence: "Aliens could not possibly be manifestations of the demonic because [fill in the blank]". Satan is the father of lies, what’s one more?

I know, bash Taylor Marshall because he opposes Pope Francis. He could say that water is wet, and there are probably people who would take issue with that. OTOH, if Cardinal Roche said the very same thing about alleged “aliens”, he’d be hailed for his “discernment”.
 
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Listen to the claims Marshall is making again. It’s pure conspiracy theory. He’s claiming this to be undeniable truth backed by Scripture he cites. It’s wacky. It’s possible that he’s getting another dig at Pope Francis who was asked by a journalist earlier this month about alien life?

[In an interview, French journalist Caroline Pigozzi of Paris Match] brought up NASA’s discovery last July of a new planet, Kepler 452 B, which resembles Earth in its dimensions and characteristics, asking whether there could be thinking beings elsewhere in the universe.

“Honestly I wouldn’t know how to answer,” the Pope replied, explaining that while scientific knowledge has until now excluded the possibility of other thinking beings in the universe, “until America was discovered we thought it didn’t exist, and instead it existed.”

“But in every case I think that we should stick to what the scientists tell us, still aware that the Creator is infinitely greater than our knowledge.”

Francis said that the one thing he is sure about in the universe and the world in which we live is that it “is not the result of chance or chaos,” but rather of divine intelligence.

It is the result “of the love of God who loves us, who created us, who desired us and never leaves us alone,” he said.


Lets stick to our competences as Catholic apologists and not stir Catholic people into a frenzy of conspiracy theory rubbish.
 
Marshall represents a growing cult manifesting in the Church. That space between traditionalist Catholic and sedevacantism that used to be a sort of ‘no mans land’, seems to be bulging with occupants now. They want the veneer of communion with the Pope but have the heart of sedevantists. They are virtually a sect unto themselves now!
 
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Listen to the claims Marshall is making again. It’s pure conspiracy theory. He’s claiming this to be undeniable truth backed by Scripture he cites. It’s wacky. It’s possible that he’s getting another dig at Pope Francis who was asked by a journalist earlier this month about alien life?

Lets stick to our competences as Catholic apologists and not stir Catholic people into a frenzy of conspiracy theory rubbish.
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I guess there are different ways one can interpret what Taylor Marshall is saying. If you’re in the camp that believes aliens exist and you think Taylor Marshall is trying to say that the mysterious lights over Phoenix are demons, then yes I can see why you’d disagree with him.

However, I don’t think he’s trying to generalize that every sighting of an UFO was a demon flying around in a spaceship from another planet.

My takeaway from his remarks is that he’s explaining how many people, especially those who do not believe in the supernatural realm, try to explain supernatural beings as aliens from other planets.

In many ways it’s very similar to the arguments that non-believers make about demonic possession. They don’t believe that Jesus was casting out demons, if anything he was merely curing people with mental illness. And that’s if they believe Jesus existed and performed any miracles at all.

Even modernist/progressive biblical scholars try to dismiss the miraculous events in scripture by inferring that they are simply allegories or symbols of a moral good that Jesus wished to instill on his followers. For example, they say Jesus didn’t miraculously feed 5k people, instead, the people were so moved by his sermon, that they merely shared what they had amongst themselves and that act of sharing is what we should be focused on.
 
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Marshall represents a growing cult manifesting in the Church. That space between traditionalist Catholic and sedevacantism that used to be a sort of ‘no mans land’, seems to be bulging with occupants now. They want the veneer of communion with the Pope but have the heart of sedevantists. They are virtually a sect unto themselves now!
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You’re attempting to label these people as being some fringe movement that represents only a fanatical minority of so called Catholics, who decided to poke their heads up just to attack Pope Francis.

In the last 20 years, the amount of scandals and corruption within the Church has forced Catholics to take a step back and realize that we need to get our own house in order before we can make disciples of all nations.

Pope Francis, while not the evil mastermind who orchestrated this whole plot, has been largely ineffective at bringing healing and clarity to a situation that desperately needs it.

Catholics are realizing the problem isn’t the Church or its teachings, it’s the clergy who have been running the show and allowed to operate in secrecy with very little oversight.

However, some Catholics, who choose to keep the blinders on, see an attack on any member of the clergy, as an attack on the very office itself. How many times have we heard people defending James Martin with the all too often phrase “well he’s still a priest in good standing, so there’s nothing wrong with what he’s saying”.

And that’s the biggest problem right there! If nobody in authority reprimands or corrects these men, then most Catholics think there’s no problem with what they are teaching.

Yet, when other priests are being suspended and censored because they speak out against this corruption and hypocrisy, it’s assumed they are radicals and want to rebel against Francis.

It’s truly a shame.
 
I don’t think science ever excluded the possibility of “other thinking beings in the Cosmos”, at least since Copernicus.
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

II. THE FALL OF THE ANGELS

391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church’s Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called “Satan” or the “devil”.267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268

392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This “fall” consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter’s words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil “has sinned from the beginning”; he is “a liar and the father of lies”.271

393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels’ sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272

394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls “a murderer from the beginning”, who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.

395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God’s reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature - to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love hi
 
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I guess there are different ways one can interpret what Taylor Marshall is saying. If you’re in the camp that believes aliens exist and you think Taylor Marshall is trying to say that the mysterious lights over Phoenix are demons, then yes I can see why you’d disagree with him.

However, I don’t think he’s trying to generalize that every sighting of an UFO was a demon flying around in a spaceship from another planet.

My takeaway from his remarks is that he’s explaining how many people, especially those who do not believe in the supernatural realm, try to explain supernatural beings as aliens from other planets.

In many ways it’s very similar to the arguments that non-believers make about demonic possession. They don’t believe that Jesus was casting out demons, if anything he was merely curing people with mental illness. And that’s if they believe Jesus existed and performed any miracles at all.
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Marshall is dispensing with science and authoritative expertise here, to steer people away from what demons really are as we know it. The Catechism says…

391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church’s Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called “Satan” or the “devil”.267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: “The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing.”

This is the nature of demons. They envy the power of good and the Holy Spirit. We can know nothing about the nature and intention of aliens to be able to discern such a thing. People most often project onto someone else what lurks in their own spirit. Buying into this ‘scripturally supported’ definition of aliens as demons, is a big red herring and a big red flag.
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Just to clarify, the question of “are aliens demons?” is a speculation that, in an attempt to deceive mankind (for whatever reason), Satan and his fallen angels might find some way to manifest themselves physically, or make themselves appear to be physical, taking a form that modern people find both fascinating and terrifying.

Does Satan have that power?

I don’t know. Nobody does.

And if aliens do exist, nobody knows who they are or where they come from. They may have some way of transcending time and space that we know nothing about. Distances are too far for intelligent entities to travel (and maintain resources to sustain themselves, and so on) based upon everything we know, but that’s the key — based upon everything we know.

I wouldn’t summarily exclude any explanation.
 
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I don’t see any difference between Marshalls flights of fancy about aliens and any other New Age theorist channelling some sort of gnosis to explain things.
 
Open question to the forum:

Please complete the following sentence, using the beginning words supplied below:

“Aliens could not possibly be manifestations of the demonic because ____________________________”.

I’ve wondered about this long before Taylor Marshall said one word about it.
 
gpmj12 said:
Marshall is dispensing with science and authoritative expertise here, to steer people away from what demons really are as we know it. The Catechism says…

391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church’s Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called “Satan” or the “devil”.267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: “The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing.”

This is the nature of demons. They envy the power of good and the Holy Spirit. We can know nothing about the nature and intention of aliens to be able to discern such a thing. People most often project onto someone else what lurks in their own spirit. Buying into this ‘scripturally supported’ definition of aliens as demons, is a big red herring and a big red flag.
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It sounds like you’re taking the position that science has proven aliens actually exist and therefore, Marshall, arguing against scientific fact, is trying to say that aliens are really just demons.

If that were true, you’re making his argument seem absurd because it would be similar to someone trying to make the claim that goats are actually demons, because of their similar descriptions from Scripture.

I don’t think a person needs to believe in the existence of aliens in order to believe in the merits of science or even the scientific exploration of space.

Again, I don’t believe that Taylor Marshall is trying to explain away every instance of a UFO as being a demon. But I do believe that he’s saying demons are real and don’t just exist in the spiritual realm. And there could be many instances where these demonic entities are incorrectly categorized as alien sightings.
 
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gpmj12:
Marshall is dispensing with science and authoritative expertise here, to steer people away from what demons really are as we know it. The Catechism says…

391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church’s Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called “Satan” or the “devil”.267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: “The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing.”

This is the nature of demons. They envy the power of good and the Holy Spirit. We can know nothing about the nature and intention of aliens to be able to discern such a thing. People most often project onto someone else what lurks in their own spirit. Buying into this ‘scripturally supported’ definition of aliens as demons, is a big red herring and a big red flag.
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It sounds like you’re taking the position that science has proven aliens actually exist and therefore, Marshall, arguing against scientific fact, is trying to say that aliens are really just demons.

If that were true, you’re making his argument seem absurd because it would be similar to someone trying to make the claim that goats are actually demons, because of their similar descriptions from Scripture.

I don’t think a person needs to believe in the existence of aliens in order to believe in the merits of science or even the scientific exploration of space.

Again, I don’t believe that Taylor Marshall is trying to explain away every instance of a UFO as being a demon. But I do believe that he’s saying demons are real and don’t just exist in the spiritual realm. And there could be many instances where these demonic entities are incorrectly categorized as alien sightings.
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No, you aren’t fully comprehending what Marshall is saying. He believes aliens exist and is citing Scripture to prove they are demons. Watch the video again.

He isn’t theorising, speculating, imagining anything about aliens… he is explaining their nature as demons.

My position is the same as the position Francis articulates. We don’t know what aliens are and neither does science. Formulating a fantasy explanation serves no one especially Catholics.
 
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No, you aren’t fully comprehending what Marshall is saying. He believes aliens exist and is citing Scripture to prove they are demons. Watch the video again.

He isn’t theorising, speculating, imagining anything about aliens… he is explaining their nature as demons.

My position is the same as the position Francis articulates. We don’t know what aliens are and neither does science. Formulating a fantasy explanation serves no one especially Catholics.
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I went to Youtube and watched the video in its entirety. In the first minute he starts off by saying “…in the west we’ve become secularized and we stop believing in God we stop believing Angels and demons that people started to think that these were outer space aliens it started really in the 1950s…”

It doesn’t sound like he’s saying he believes in extraterrestrials. He’s saying that for those people, who are not believers, they came to see these preternatural beings as “aliens”, instead of the real possibility that they were in fact angels or demons.

You said above that your position is the same as Pope Francis, in that “we don’t know what aliens are and neither does science.” Well it could be that aliens are more likely to exist than say, Bigfoot, but you see, there is a difference in saying “we don’t know what Bigfoot is” vs “we don’t know if Bigfoot exists.”

I don’t know if aliens from other planets exist or not and if they do exist, I can’t say with any scientific certainty, that they have set foot on planet earth. I do believe in a spiritual realm and in the existence of angels and demons and in my opinion, I think that is what Taylor Marshall is trying to say. What are often described as “aliens from outer space”, might have actually been beings from the supernatural realm.

I hope I’m making sense. 😁
 
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If he says that there are other intelligent lifeforms somewhere in the observable universe, this must be true given number of planets.
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Not necessarily.

This presupposes that there are conditions hospitable to life on other bodies, and that various substances could just come together all by themselves to form cells, which would then evolve into higher forms.

The complexity of even a single organic cell is such that it could not possibly have formed “all on its own”. There had to be a Creator, an intelligence that designed that first cell. (Again, this is being as generous as one can possibly be, and conceding that life began as primitive, one-celled organisms from which all life evolved.) Life has never been created from non-life in any laboratory.

My point here, is that there could be a planet totally identical to our own, and there might be non-living substances on it — water, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, and so on — but putting those things together into even one living cell requires an intelligent design that nature itself simply can’t offer up.
 
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