Taylor Marshall's video on Fratelli Tutti- am I missing something or is TM being disingenuous...?

[Anesti33]

Hmm, firstly, Taylor Marshall has undeniable academic credentials and a background as an ordained Episcopal priest. So this makes him technically usable as a source.

Yes, his methods are poor and his conclusions are kind of dumb and exaggerated and he’s a reprehensible person who probably strangles kittens, but I don’t care about any of that! I just wanted some blurbs for the article and I got blurbs. He’s no less interesting than Fr. Reese or Martin or that chick from the African Jesuits. I think it’s good to have him in the mix, and the more sensational his quotes, the better. As long as they have some basis in reality.

And as for chucking the Pachamama in the Tiber, I encourage everyone to seek out the midrash about “Abraham cleanses the idol shop”. It’s a real hoot and emblematic of what we should strive for in our modern lives. (With a modicum of caution.)

 

[humilityseeker]

Hmm, firstly, Taylor Marshall has undeniable academic credentials and a background as an ordained Episcopal priest. So this makes him technically usable as a source.

This does not make his views valid or substantial or without error. If he wants to be tested, then he needs to subject himself to peer review. He knows that, he has a Ph.D, he is an academic. Having a Ph.D itself is not the litmus test for validity of an expressed theory or opinion. Gaining academic credentials is just a matter of enroling, doing the work and being awarded the degree. Critical thinking comes into play here.
Pope Francis has valid scientific academic credentials too.

and the more sensational his quotes, the better.

We as Catholics, have a duty as the Body of Christ, the People of God, to lift up our faith and religion. We have too many anti catholics out there, both within the Church itself, and without.

Tearing the Church apart from within seems to be politically correct gameplay these days, because people have become very confused about the difference between the ministerial priesthood and the priesthood of the people. It is also the result of the modern and as Pope Francis puts it ‘hostile aggressive’ secular society. That seems to be rubbing off on certain individuals who seek their 15 minutes of fame and associated ‘cash in exchange for souvenir trinkets’ associated with their web side shows.
I do hope you will put a caveat in the wiki post that the Encyclical has not been thoroughly read in pursuit of posting a wiki article on the wiki forum.

 

[humilityseeker]

The more I think about this, the more I think well lets not read that thousand post # odd thread about transitional fossils, but lets have a discussion about whats going on there. How on earth can we know what is going on in that thread without reading it?
Is this the brave new world where the internet is leading us? If so, I can see future legal questions about having a discussion about a body of work and posting on the internet.
Where is this going to lead future generations who might start to think having the discussion is the thing to do, and crucially more important, without having to invest any time or knowledge into the actual subject of that discussion.
I can have a discussion with you about open heart surgery, it wont make much sense because I am not a trained heart surgeon. Maybe I can stand there, scalpel in hand, with my patient on an operating table, and have a discussion about his or her heart problems, and charge mega $$$$.

I see the dumbing down of society right on course with this type of genre.

 

[Anesti33]

So I hope you’re all happy with yourselves, because consensus ended up rising against Marshall’s comments being reliable enough to include, and they’ve been stricken from the article.

 

[frumacat]

Can you please do something with the Junipero Serra wiki article? If you see it, the opening paragraph alone contains more about the recent controversies among the woke than anything else regarding his life. It’s so biased by the woke mob, and slanderous, given the historical record that indicates he was a benevolent protector of the Indians.

 

[Anesti33]

I’ve been watching it, but one editor is really powerless to effect any kind of significant change in such a major and contentious article. It’s just the way of the world.

Very, very few. About three active editors, including me, were working on the Marshall issue, and since it was created from a stub. It took a noticeboard to get the solid consensus about the sources.

 

[FrankFletcher]

So I hope you’re all happy with yourselves, because consensus ended up rising against Marshall’s comments being reliable enough to include, and they’ve been stricken from the article.

Well I had no part in any of this but I’d say that’s definitely a good outcome. Marshall needs rebuking. Badly.