Tea Party activists: Bring on defense cuts

  • Thread starter Thread starter gilliam
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
SamH said:
Actually that isn’t the case. During the Depression crime dropped to an all time low. Honest people are honest, criminal people are criminals. As you stated they can refuse and choose to become criminals - but usually that decision was made long before.
Click to expand...
Some people on welfare are already criminals. For example, I’ve heard stories from reputable sources that some people trade food stamps for drugs.

Simply saying it wil drive people to crime is naive.
 
gamewell45 said:
The main problem is that there are no jobs in this country to be had. We have over 14 million jobless; there aren’t 14 million available jobs out there. And it’ll probably get worse short term given the current state of the economy.

If we were to force those on welfare to show up every morning to do manual labor for the government, then they would have the excuse of not being able to look for work since they have to “work” for the government full time. The of course you have the issue of those who work for the government getting hurt on the job; who pays their disability? the State? The Federal Government? The local municipality? Furthermore you’d have to buy the tools for them to do the work needed; provide restroom facilaties, potable water, transportation to the work site(s), supervisors to supervise them during the hours of work, etc, if they are working outdoors

Those who refuse to work under your scenario wouldn’t get paid. In an effort to survive, many of them would migrate to criminal activities; most would get caught and incarcerated. This adds additional costs to society because you’ll have to feed, clothe them, house them, provide them with some form of rudimentary medical/dental care, pay additional staff to supervise them and in extreme cases construct additional correctional facilaties, the cost of which will fall on the shoulders of taxpayers already overburdened by high taxes. Think of the costs associated with incarcerating 4-5 million more people in this country. This doesn’t include prosecuting them and appeals, etc.

I just don’t think its a workable solution.
Click to expand...
Didn’t FDR create the WPA and other things like it? Aren’t we talking about a similar thing here? How would this be any different?

Oh I know why, FDR was a liberal democrat. :rolleyes:
 
Last year, the USA spent over $680,000,000,000 in defence, the most in the world. In second place was China, with over $100,000,000,000. I don’t think there’s a threat so large that the USA needs to spend so much on defence. In fact, take out over a billion dollars in defence for every American and put it into medicare and social security. That’s an extra $150,000,000,000 each for both programs. I think that will last a while
 
Gift_from_God said:
In fact, take out over a billion dollars in defence for every American and put it into medicare and social security. That’s an extra $150,000,000,000 each for both programs. I think that will last a while
Click to expand...
Not following your math. At 300 millionish Americans, that’s $500 for every American to get the $150 billion you cite. And have you checked the figures? Cutting defence that much wouldn’t even plug the deficit gap THIS year, much less fix it long term. That’s how badly in the sheep dip we are. People have no idea.

As I recall, the annual deficit right now is running $1,000,000,000,000. That’s twelve zeros, man. We could abolish the military altogether and we’d STILL be running a deficit. We’re toast.
 
Gift_from_God said:
In fact, take out over a billion dollars in defence for every American and put it into medicare and social security. That’s an extra $150,000,000,000 each for both programs. I think that will last a while
Click to expand...
A billion dollars for for every American is roughly

350,000,000,000,000,000,000

Granted that will solve the budget problems but where are you going to get 350 trillion(?) dollars?

I’m not sure if I have enough zeros on that.
 
SamH said:
A billion dollars for for every American is roughly

350,000,000,000,000,000,000

Granted that will solve the budget problems but where are you going to get 350 trillion(?) dollars?

I’m not sure if I have enough zeros on that.
Click to expand...
I didn’t say trillion
 
Gift_from_God said:
Last year, the USA spent over $680,000,000,000 in defence, the most in the world. In second place was China, with over $100,000,000,000. I don’t think there’s a threat so large that the USA needs to spend so much on defence. In fact, take out over a billion dollars in defence for every American and put it into medicare and social security. That’s an extra $150,000,000,000 each for both programs. I think that will last a while
Click to expand...
I agree. It’s time Canada stepped up and let the US live under its safety net!😃
 
iamrefreshed said:
I agree. It’s time Canada stepped up and let the US live under its safety net!😃
Click to expand...
At least when Canada and Europe are leading the charge in Libya, nobody is lsitening any longer to how many poor civilians are being killed by NATO bombs.
If it aint American or Jews fllying the missions it aint news.

Of course, Chad had more effect in their battles with Libya than what a NATO without American leadership is doing.
 
Darryl1958 said:
At least when Canada and Europe are leading the charge in Libya, nobody is lsitening any longer to how many poor civilians are being killed by NATO bombs.
If it aint American or Jews fllying the missions it aint news.

Of course, Chad had more effect in their battles with Libya than what a NATO without American leadership is doing.
Click to expand...
Well, maybe someday soon you will get the chance to be demonized for every move you make. You can be sure it will be led by your liberal self-hating countrymen.😛
 
Defense spending will be cut. Everything is on the table. This country is in deep financial
trouble as is Greece and Italy and Spain and Portugal. They had better be serious about cuts
or we are going to wind up in the same boat. There is room to cut in defense, I mean after
all when they charge 900.00 for a toilet seat to the Air Force, it all needs to be looked at.
Everybody wants to deamonize the tea party. They are the only people that I know of that
tried to do, against all odds, what the people sent them to do in Congress. Let Europe start
paying for their own defenses. There are a good many bases we could close overseas and
not expose our Country to any risks. Some places, such as Korea, you must maintain a
force but what the heck are we doing in Libya? We should bring some of those forces home
and put them on the Southern border where they are crying for help against gun running and
drugs and illegal immigrant smuggeling. The Federal goverment has a duty to protect its own borders and its own people. We have gone well beyond the intentions of the founding fathers
and the constitution. We can all thank the tea party for redirecting the emphasis in Washington
to the debt. I wouldnt be surprised to see the European Central Bank in trouble. Most of the countries that are in trouble cant print their own money. The are tied to the Euro.
Pax
Tom T
 
Darryl1958 said:
1 billion x 350 million
Whats 1 000 000 000 times 350 000 000

350 000 000 and 000 000 00

350,000,000,000,000, 000

12 zeros to a trillion so

350 thousand trillion?
Click to expand...
Good. You’re the new Budget Director. 👍
 
Darryl1958 said:
😃
Moving the decimal place even one tiny zero can makes it very difficult to keep the project on budget for sure.
Click to expand...
Bernanke does it all the time. 😃

He’s still looking for some $500 Billion he printed for some central bank in Europe. He actually admitted this in a House hearing but not much was publicized about it.
 
Darryl1958 said:
1 billion x 350 million
Whats 1 000 000 000 times 350 000 000

350 000 000 and 000 000 00

350,000,000,000,000, 000

12 zeros to a trillion so

350 thousand trillion?
Click to expand...
😊
I was always bad in math. It looks like my learning disability is playing tricks with my mind again

Let me try again. In the sum of one billion, cut the same amount as there are people. So if there are 350,000,000 Americans, cut $350,000,000,000
 
Gift_from_God said:
😊
I was always bad in math. It looks like my learning disability is playing tricks with my mind again

Let me try again. In the sum of one billion, cut the same amount as there are people. SO if there are 350,000,000 Americans, cut $350,000,000,000
Click to expand...
Spending one billion per person on health care and welfare would be a pretty handsome system indeed.🙂

A $1000 increase per capital per annum is what that amount would buy.
Canada spends about $4000 per capita per annum on health care. America in 2006 spent about $6000. Of course a lot of that is covered privately.

Federal Government in America spends about $1500 per capita per annum on welfare and $3000 per capita per annum on health care, and maybe $3000 per capital per annum on defense. For sure the figure for health will go up as a more socialized health care scheme kicks in.
A thousand dollars extra though would bring the $3000 to $3500 and $2000 respectively.
That is nothing to sneeze at for sure, but it would still not bring the health care cost up to the Canadian levels, nor would it cover anything like the full cost of what Americans were paying in 2006.
And in the meantime, there is still the little matter of a trillion dollar deficit. Transferring money on the budget sheet does not shave a penny off of that.
 
ProVobis said:
Bernanke does it all the time. 😃

He’s still looking for some $500 Billion he printed for some central bank in Europe. He actually admitted this in a House hearing but not much was publicized about it.
Click to expand...
It is a totally different world that these people live in.
I mean just counting all the zeroes in that 350 000 trillion stresses me, and that is not even real money.
but for these guys it is just another tap tap tap on the computer keyboard.
 
gnjsdad said:
I will believe this when I see it.

There are 2 impulses which guide the Tea Party: a social Darwinian approach to government spending, especially on social safety nets, and a militarist hyper-patriotism which, to Tea partiers, requires a “strong military” (meaning a military capable of injecting itelf anywhere, with overwhelming force, around the world whenever it feels like).

When these two impulses come into conflict, which one will win out? My guess is that the Tea party principals with access to Republican party bigwigs (who are joined at the hip with the Pentagon/defense contractor complex) will “explain how the world works” to the activists who want to cut defense spending.
Click to expand...
Wow…you really should stop listening to Democrat talking points with regards to the Tea Party.
 
SamH said:
Actually that isn’t the case. During the Depression crime dropped to an all time low. Honest people are honest, criminal people are criminals. As you stated they can refuse and choose to become criminals - but usually that decision was made long before.
Click to expand...
Perhaps, but this is not the same country it was during the Depression; social and moral values have changed.
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
Didn’t FDR create the WPA and other things like it? Aren’t we talking about a similar thing here? How would this be any different?

Oh I know why, FDR was a liberal democrat. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
While you seem to imply, I don’t think it really has anything to do with politics; rather it has to deal with reality. While FDR created the WPA during his term of office, there is a push today to cut costs and reduce the size of the government; I just don’t think the plan as put forward would not work.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top