Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans

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"The tea party’s volatile influence on this election year appears to be doing more harm than good for Republicans’ chances in some of the closest races in the nation, in which little-known candidates who upset the establishment with primary wins are now stumbling in the campaign’s final days.

In Kentucky, a volunteer for tea-party-backed Senate candidate Rand Paul was videotaped stepping on the head of a liberal protester. In Delaware and Colorado, Senate hopefuls Christine O’Donnell and Ken Buck, respectively, are under fire for denying that the First Amendment’s establishment clause dictates a separation of church and state. In Nevada, GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle is drawing rebuke for running TV ads that portray Latino immigrants as criminals and gang members.

Perhaps the most dramatic tea party problems are in Alaska, where Republican Senate candidate Joe Miller is suffering another round of unfavorable headlines after it was revealed late Tuesday that he had admitted lying about his misconduct while working as a government lawyer in Fairbanks. Miller was conducting his own poll in 2008 in an effort to oust a state GOP chairman, and he used his colleagues’ computers to vote in the survey, then erased their computers’ caches to try to hide what he had done. "

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/27/AR2010102707428.html?nav=rss_email/components
 
… and, even more tea party fun!

"In Nevada, Angle’s controversial advertisements about illegal immigrants are airing at a time when questions remain about racism and prejudice in the tea party. According to a canvass of 647 local tea party groups conducted by The Washington Post, 11 percent of organizers say President Obama’s race, religion or ethnic background is very important or somewhat important to their members’ participation in the movement.

Also on Wednesday, Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips came under fire for an Internet column published over the weekend in which he called for the defeat of Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) because he is Muslim."

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/27/AR2010102707428.html?nav=rss_email/components
 
… and, even more tea party fun!

"In Nevada, Angle’s controversial advertisements about illegal immigrants are airing at a time when questions remain about racism and prejudice in the tea party. According to a canvass of 647 local tea party groups conducted by The Washington Post, **11 percent **of organizers say President Obama’s race, religion or ethnic background is very important or somewhat important to their members’ participation in the movement.

Also on Wednesday, Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips came under fire for an Internet column published over the weekend in which he called for the defeat of Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) because he is Muslim."

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/27/AR2010102707428.html?nav=rss_email/components
Wow! 11%! :rolleyes:

When you add “religion” into the mix, you can’t really come to the conclusion that the 11% are concerned about his race. 🤷

Fail.
 
I don’t think O’Donnell has a prayer, and Miller looks to be in real trouble now. And I do think Angle will squeak through…despite her repulsive ad campaign.

But, after the dust settles, I believe it’s the Tea Party candidates who do win who will end up getting burned. The established Republicans are already gearing up to let them know the ground rules for life in Washington. Angle and Paul will be consigned to the back bench until they learn the rules of the game.
 
I don’t think O’Donnell has a prayer, and Miller looks to be in real trouble now. And I do think Angle will squeak through…despite her repulsive ad campaign.

But, after the dust settles, I believe it’s the Tea Party candidates who do win who will end up getting burned. The established Republicans are already gearing up to let them know the ground rules for life in Washington. Angle and Paul will be consigned to the back bench until they learn the rules of the game.
You’re right, to a degree. The freshman class of '94 had an impact on Congress, though they were also reigned in a bit by the “established” Republicans. The MoveOn progressives were reigned in by the “established” Democrats in a similar fashion.

I suspect that the Tea Party candidates will have an impact, but I don’t suspect any major changes. From a fiscal standpoint, I just hope they help move the party back to its “smaller government” stance it used to be known for.
 
You can tell how effective the Tea Party is by the amount of time that liberals spend trying to demonize them.

I’m not a Tea Partier, although I agree with much of what they stand for. I just have to laugh at the attacks on them, though. Especially the Rand Paul thing. Clearly, trying to brand the Tea Party as out of control based on that incident is not only laughable, it is hypocritical.

I don’t believe that the Democratic Party is a violent group nor do I think that they condone violence towards opponents (the unborn is another story). However, Service Employees International Union (SEIU), a major supporter of democrats, has a history of violence. Where is the outrage among liberals here on CAF about that? Do those who make a connection between Paul and the idiot who assulted a dissenter make the same connection between the Democrat Party and SEIU? Why not?

I know Sharron Angle is someone that the left fears, especially since it looks likely that she will defeat the current senate majority leader who happens to be a Democrat. But some of the attacks against her strike me as disingenuous at best. Where is the outrage against someone like Alan Grayson? John Conyers laughing at the idea of reading legislation before voting for it? Al Gore for his hypocracy when it comes to the environment?

I am sick of politics. I think that politics is making otherwise good people on this forum act badly.

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You can tell how effective the Tea Party is by the amount of time that liberals spend trying to demonize them.

I’m not a Tea Partier, although I agree with much of what they stand for. I just have to laugh at the attacks on them, though. Especially the Rand Paul thing. Clearly, trying to brand the Tea Party as out of control based on that incident is not only laughable, it is hypocritical.

I don’t believe that the Democratic Party is a violent group nor do I think that they condone violence towards opponents (the unborn is another story). However, Service Employees International Union (SEIU), a major supporter of democrats, has a history of violence. Where is the outrage among liberals here on CAF about that? Do those who make a connection between Paul and the idiot who assulted a dissenter make the same connection between the Democrat Party and SEIU? Why not?

I know Sharron Angle is someone that the left fears, especially since it looks likely that she will defeat the current senate majority leader who happens to be a Democrat. But some of the attacks against her strike me as disingenuous at best. Where is the outrage against someone like Alan Grayson? John Conyers laughing at the idea of reading legislation before voting for it? Al Gore for his hypocracy when it comes to the environment?

I am sick of politics. I think that politics is making otherwise good people on this forum act badly.

Peace

Tim
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The established Republicans are already gearing up to let them know the ground rules for life in Washington. Angle and Paul will be consigned to the back bench until they learn the rules of the game.
The trouble with the TeaParty victors is that they undoubtedly believe that they’re there because “we the people” sent them there to right wrongs, turn things upside down, and to let the Establishment know that “there’s a new Sheriff in town.” It’s not just your ordinary crop of new legislators.

Trouble is that Congress doesn’t jump at the fingersnaps of these new boys and girls, and will, as you say, put them in their place way in the rear until they learn “the rules” and know how to play by them. When they develop appropriate “humility,” they may become useful to the GOP.

Absolutely IMO only.
 
The trouble with the TeaParty victors is that they undoubtedly believe that they’re there because “we the people” sent them there to right wrongs, turn things upside down, and to let the Establishment know that “there’s a new Sheriff in town.” It’s not just your ordinary crop of new legislators.

Trouble is that Congress doesn’t jump at the fingersnaps of these new boys and girls, and will, as you say, put them in their place way in the rear until they learn “the rules” and know how to play by them. **When they develop appropriate “humility,” they may become useful to the GOP. **

Absolutely IMO only.
It’s my opinion, as well. I hope they accomplish my goals…I don’t care much about theirs. 🙂
 
The established Republicans are already gearing up to let them know the ground rules for life in Washington. Angle and Paul will be consigned to the back bench until they learn the rules of the game.
Well said. The ruling class doesn’t tolerate outsiders. The newly elected will be summarily spayed or neutered.
 
"The tea party’s volatile influence on this election year appears to be doing more harm than good for Republicans’ chances in some of the closest races in the nation, in which little-known candidates who upset the establishment with primary wins are now stumbling in the campaign’s final days.

In Kentucky, a volunteer for tea-party-backed Senate candidate Rand Paul was videotaped stepping on the head of a liberal protester. In Delaware and Colorado, Senate hopefuls Christine O’Donnell and Ken Buck, respectively, are under fire for denying that the First Amendment’s establishment clause dictates a separation of church and state. In Nevada, GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle is drawing rebuke for running TV ads that portray Latino immigrants as criminals and gang members.

Perhaps the most dramatic tea party problems are in Alaska, where Republican Senate candidate Joe Miller is suffering another round of unfavorable headlines after it was revealed late Tuesday that he had admitted lying about his misconduct while working as a government lawyer in Fairbanks. Miller was conducting his own poll in 2008 in an effort to oust a state GOP chairman, and he used his colleagues’ computers to vote in the survey, then erased their computers’ caches to try to hide what he had done. "

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  1. Paul has already apologized for that and denounced and fired the people responsible. Believe, these “Stomper” people will pay for this. And the “stompee” has proven herself to be less than forthcoming dealing with the circumstances regarding her approaching Paul’s vehicle.
  2. In spite of all of this, Paul still remains ahead in the polls. Not by much, but enough.
  3. As far as I Know, Miller is STILL ahead and is expected to win.
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What were you saying?😛
 
And I wonder how Saint Sarah’s efforts to canonize Ilario Pantano are going? Mike McIntyre has not wanted to touch his opponent’s military record, but the material here:

factsaboutpantano.com/

is interesting in the window it provides into the TP candidate’s “inner life.”

Palin sure can pick 'em!
 
And I wonder how Saint Sarah’s efforts to canonize Ilario Pantano are going? Mike McIntyre has not wanted to touch his opponent’s military record, but the material here:

factsaboutpantano.com/

is interesting in the window it provides into the TP candidate’s “inner life.”

Palin sure can pick 'em!
**Pantano was investigated for actions in killing two terrorists after a disgruntled Marine that Pantano had publicly demoted filed a complaint. **The case took on national attention. Media outlets from dozens of national networks and newspapers overflowed the courtroom. After a lengthy and very public hearing of the facts, Pantano was cleared of all charges and given a new command, but death threats from jihadists and fear for his family ultimately led Pantano to resign his commission.
Something tells me there is more to this story than what you would make it out ot be.
 
The only other person present that day was the Navy corpsman. He told investigators that he heard Pantano yell “stop” before the shooting began and, when he turned to look, he thought the Iraqis were trying to flee. But neither the corpsman nor the Marine Sergeant saw what happened in the critical seconds before Pantano opened fire.
msnbc.msn.com/id/7250029/

I think it would be best to let the charges drop and stop making the guy out to be a monster for political points.
 
Something tells me there is more to this story than what you would make it out ot be.
Well, here’s some more of it.

What about the previous record and the statements of Deborah Johns?
thedailybeast.com/beltway-beast/tea-partier-backs-democrat-over-ilario-pantano/

watchdogs.blogs.starnewsonline.com/13285/mike-mcintyre-gets-nod-from-veterans-of-foreign-wars/
How much is a “ton of support,” Pantano? Numbers and documentation would be nice.

There are other veteran’s groups that support McIntyre, too.
“McIntyre was named “National Legislator of the Year” for veterans in 2008 by the National Association of County Veterans’ Service Officers, the release said.” watchdogs.blogs.starnewsonline.com/13285/mike-mcintyre-gets-nod-from-veterans-of-foreign-wars/

And there is far from unanimity among VFW-PAC’s opponents.
“Mr. Wolf,” of anti-VFW-PAC blog Blackfive and a supporter of endorsing Pantano, said he admires some groups like VFF (Vets For Freedom) which endorse the Tea Partiers, but says he doesn’t like their legislative scorecard. John Lilyea, of blog This Ain’t Hell, doesn’t like their right-wing litmus tests. " “They’re gonna vote against a good bill that gives funding to veterans because it has some amendment for, I don’t know, $4 million for a NAMBLA monument or something,” he says, conjuring an extreme example of how VFF caricatures its political opponents." motherjones.com/politics/2010/10/tea-party-vfw-congress-election-candidates#disqus_thread

Additionally, one of the former VFW-PAC board members, reacting to VFW Commander Eubank’s decision to dissolve the PAC because the endorsements caused an “erosion of public support,” said "it’s less an erosion of public support than blog-generated partisan anger at the VFW and VFW-PAC, which was established in 1979 to operate independently of the membership organization.

“Both the VFW and the PAC were victims of the polarization of American politics today,” said former VFW board member Paul A. Spera. “There’s no middle ground.”
“You have to hate the other guy; you just can’t disagree with them.” "
military.com/news/article/vets-groups-wrestle-with-midterm-chaos.html
 
I don’t think the Tea Party can turn against the conservative movement in this country. As long as it is founded on the right principles that the majority of Americans agree with, America will push Tea Party candidates to success.

The only reason all the “Tea Party antics” are an issue to be discussed is, as someone said, the left has decided to assassinate the character of the Tea Party candidates because of their great success, and threat of conservative candidates winning on Election Day.

I find it surprising how so many people discuss only one side of issues! Let me break these down one by one:

Rand Paul vs. MoveOn.org

This is the tenth time I’ve heard “stomped on her head”… his foot never touched her head. It just sounds more dramatic and scary if you say “stomped on her head”. But if you say “stomped on her shoulder”, you don’t get quite as much attention.

Another thing not mentioned was the woman’s conduct. She is not just a “liberal protester”, she is a well-known member of MoveOn.org, a prominent liberal website. She disguised herself with a wig, I say again, a wig, to avoid being recognized, in order to give some manner of fake award to Rand Paul.

Using this incident as a tool to combat Rand Paul is cheap, and shows, as with the many other character attacks made on Tea Party candidates, the liberal establishments’ inability to run on substance and issues.

Yes, the violence was wrong, and notice how quickly a fellow Tea Partier says “No, no, no” in the video and waves his hand to the fellow to get him to take his foot off the woman? That guy doesn’t get any praise or notice, it’s just “TEA PARTY MEMBER STOMPS ON WOMAN’S HEAD”. No mention of her disguise, her status at MoveOn.org, or anything else.

Separation of Church and State

This one annoys me. The First Amendment’s establishment clause says nothing about separation of church and state. What it says is that the state may not establish a national religion for all Americans to follow under penalty of law.

This was obviously included by our Founders to forgo any worries of America going the way of England. Wasn’t the main reason people such as Puritans, Catholics, and otherwise left England and other such countries their intolerance of certain religions? Yes, it was! So this clause, when you think of it from the perspective of the Founding Fathers, does not provide for “Separation of Church and State” as we know it today.

What does SoCaS (if I may abbreviate it) mean today? SoCaS today means that politicians who stand on SoCaS would not allow their religious beliefs to influence their political positions. For example, JFK, who promised not to allow his Catholic faith to influence his political decisions.

So the bottom line here is that SoCaS as we know it today does not arise from the Constitution. Now that you see this “issue” in a different light, you notice the vicarious attacks made on O’Donnell and Buck in lieu of their common sense comments.

Angle’s ad

When you come into the country illegally, you probably won’t get a legal job. So what sort of job opportunities are there for you? Illegal jobs, and/or illegal sources of money. Angle is not picking on a particular race. She’s making a particularly tough political point, namely, that the majority of illegal immigrants turn to a life of crime to support their illegal life, and a majority of illegal immigrants are also Latinos from across the border. When you put two and two together you come up with the point made in the ad.

Miller’s thing

This one is kind of disappointing; I like Miller. What’s also disappointing is the flak he’s been getting for this. The thing is, as it says above, he engineered a poll and got on a grand total of three computers, according to documented sources, voted, and cleared the caches. Big deal! So he started a poll and gave himself three extra votes. It’s still dishonest, which is what the left is playing up in this story. I hope Miller wins, because Murkowski needs to be sent home.

I can’t believe she has any support… first she loses the primary, then she endorses Miller, then when she can’t let go of the position and the power, she runs a write in campaign. That’s the real issue for me in this election.

“According to a canvass of 647 local tea party groups conducted by The Washington Post, 11 percent of organizers say President Obama’s race, religion or ethnic background is very important or somewhat important to their members’ participation in the movement.”

As someone said, I think the religion part is far more intriguing to Tea Partiers than race or ethnicity. He’s been fumbling around the issue of religion for a while; I remember seeing a clip where he said “My Muslim faith…” in an interview, then was seemingly corrected by interviewer George Stephanopolous, who said “Your Christian faith”, with Obama then saying “My Christian faith…”

This is the link to the two minute interview clip. The flop is about two thirds through it.

“Also on Wednesday, Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips came under fire for an Internet column published over the weekend in which he called for the defeat of Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) because he is Muslim.”

The actions of Judson Phillips, of whom I had not heard prior to today, will have little to no effect on the Tea Party candidates. People are smart enough to see that Judson Phillips is not on the ballot, and the country is on the ballot.

The bottom line is that this election is about issues, and not about antics and miniature crises within political campaigns.
 
Well, here’s some more of it.

What about the previous record and the statements of Deborah Johns?
thedailybeast.com/beltway-beast/tea-partier-backs-democrat-over-ilario-pantano/
She’s entitle to her opinion, but the charges were dropped. He’s an innocent man by our law, God will deal with him if he did something evil.
watchdogs.blogs.starnewsonline.com/13285/mike-mcintyre-gets-nod-from-veterans-of-foreign-wars/
How much is a “ton of support,” Pantano? Numbers and documentation would be nice.
There are other veteran’s groups that support McIntyre, too.
“McIntyre was named “National Legislator of the Year” for veterans in 2008 by the National Association of County Veterans’ Service Officers, the release said.” watchdogs.blogs.starnewsonline.com/13285/mike-mcintyre-gets-nod-from-veterans-of-foreign-wars/
And there is far from unanimity among VFW-PAC’s opponents.
“Mr. Wolf,” of anti-VFW-PAC blog Blackfive and a supporter of endorsing Pantano, said he admires some groups like VFF (Vets For Freedom) which endorse the Tea Partiers, but says he doesn’t like their legislative scorecard. John Lilyea, of blog This Ain’t Hell, doesn’t like their right-wing litmus tests. " “They’re gonna vote against a good bill that gives funding to veterans because it has some amendment for, I don’t know, $4 million for a NAMBLA monument or something,” he says, conjuring an extreme example of how VFF caricatures its political opponents." motherjones.com/politics/2010/10/tea-party-vfw-congress-election-candidates#disqus_thread
Good lord, what kind of veteran would want money from a bill that’s also giving money to NAMBLA? I’d hope that every politician would vote that down, but I know democrats have taken the immoral road these days so I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
 
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