Tea Party Opposition

[reaganjn]

I am from the US, I have read everything there is about the Tea Party. I just wish I was in New Zealand because the past actions of the US government have been so dispicable. Anyone who fears God is not a good Christian because Our God is the God of Mercy. And good Christians don’t preach death to homosexualis.

where are you getting your MISinformation from??? apparently from the liberal media

 

[reaganjn]

and second of all i dont hate anyone, i dont wish death or harm upon anyone. have you ever gone to a Tea Party event?? if not, then please do not use heresy. cause that is exactly what you are doing. have you ever talked to someone that has ACTUALLY participated in a tea party event?? i personally dont think you have. if you have you wouldnt have had posted this thread. you, my friend, are a hypocrite. im sorry but i call it like i see it. and i will not tolerate you basically calling my dad who goes to these tea parties who is MILITARY, pro life, pro american, and a God loving man to be put down by someone like you. you do have the right to your OPINION, but you do not have any facts to back them up. my father has served 20 years in the military to protect this great country to keep every single american free no matter who they are. i was raised to love everyone and to be kind to them. but you are really rubbing me the wrong way.

people who go to these tea party events just love their country, are God loving people, and want small government. what is sooo wrong with that???

im backing out of this thread now before i get banned from this amazing website.

i apologize for getting upset.

 

[SVP]

I am from the US, I have read everything there is about the Tea Party. I just wish I was in New Zealand because the past actions of the US government have been so dispicable. Anyone who fears God is not a good Christian because Our God is the God of Mercy. And good Christians don’t preach death to homosexualis.

Only the bible mention that in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, I haven’t found any Tea Party references.

Apparently you haven’t read EVERYTHING there is to know about the Tea Party. If the information is from predominantly left leaning sources, there is a lot of misinformation and downright distortions about the Tea Party movement.

jointheteaparty.us/
teapartypatriots.ning.com/
teaparty.org/

even NPR.org can occaisionally be balanced (sort of)
npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126109933

but then we always have the official magazine of the left, Newsweek, with the usual anti Tea Party, anti conservative rant:
newsweek.com/2010/02/08/black-helicopters-over-nashville.html

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Using sexual terms to discribe a group someone does not like will not be tolerated.
Carry on.

 

[mary_bobo]

I wonder what flavor Kool Aid our op was drinking. Hateful posts such as that come from swallowing hook, line and sinker all that you hear from one side or the other. I have not been to a Tea Party event, but I have several friends who have in several states, and the purpose was to promote smaller government and fiscal responsibility. I find nothing objectionable in their functions. I doubt the op has ever been to a TP event.

 

[CWBetts]

No where in the Constitution does it say the gov’t is to provide health care.

I have also never heard of anyone in the Tea Party say anything racial, my dad attends tea party events and he told me himself that he has never heard of anyone spewing racial slurs to anyone or spew violence.

The National Heath care that you want so badly also funds abortions, so I don’t understand how you can be for that. How can you call yourself a Catholic, if you are for this health care that the big O has passed??!!

I have said my 2cents and now I will sit back and wait for your answer.

“We the people, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United Sates of America”

Here ii is in the Constitution. One of the reasons for establishing the Constitution was to “promote the general welfare”. This means to see after the well-being of the people. Now I do not support this heath care reform for two reasons. First is the disregard for life. Second it is little more than a windfall for the insurance industry, as it requires citizens to purchase insurance. That is not the reform we need. What we need is for people to be able to go to the doctor when they are sick, and what we need is for people to not have to worry whether or not their pay scale determines if they get to live or die. As for the Tea Party movement. The whole movement is centered on greed. These people don’t want to pay taxes to assist those who are numbered among the indigent and destitute. My brother and his wife are active in this movement, and I can tell you that the battle cry of these hypocrites should be “Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?” The Tea Party movement has no redeeming qualities, and the whole pack of radicals is best ignored.

 

[reaganjn]

i dont believe this is what our forfather wanted.

 

[CWBetts]

i dont believe this is what our forfather wanted.

Not much a rebuttal. So can i assume that you are of the position that the poor should be allowed to be denied health care, and that good medical treatment is only to be used on the wealthy? The reason I ask this is that without health care reform, that is where we stand now. To deny one adequate health care based on socio-economic status is nothing more than mathusianism.

 

[JulieAA]

Not much a rebuttal. So can i assume that you are of the position that the poor should be allowed to be denied health care, and that good medical treatment is only to be used on the wealthy? The reason I ask this is that without health care reform, that is where we stand now. To deny one adequate health care based on socio-economic status is nothing more than mathusianism.

The poor has never been denied good medical treatment. The poor have never been denied an education. As a Christian, we are called to always help our brothers and sisters in need, but no where in the Bible did it say that love and compassion was to be forced upon anyone. If it is not done with and through the heart, the action is of no consequence to our Lord. He never said to put a gun to someone’s head and force it upon anyone. If the healthcare bill is so wonderful, why is it that Congress has excluded itself from the bill? People seem to always want “someone else to pay the bill”. I believe we all know good and generous people who have worked their whole life for what they have earned through honest and hard work. I believe that most of the tea party people would agree with that statement. Do not punish those who have worked and reward SOME who choose not to abey our laws and just simply want a handout. You can not lump all “poor” people in the same category as helpless beyond their control. I know a lot of rich and middle class people who give very generously to their Church, Red Cross, Sacred Heart and the lists go on. My objection is just throwing a bunch of money against the wall and use the excuse we are helping the unfortunate. There should be some sort of accountability for all of us. Just my 2 cents.

 

[CWBetts]

The poor has never been denied good medical treatment. The poor have never been denied an education. As a Christian, we are called to always help our brothers and sisters in need, but no where in the Bible did it say that love and compassion was to be forced upon anyone. If it is not done with and through the heart, the action is of no consequence to our Lord. He never said to put a gun to someone’s head and force it upon anyone. If the healthcare bill is so wonderful, why is it that Congress has excluded itself from the bill? People seem to always want “someone else to pay the bill”. I believe we all know good and generous people who have worked their whole life for what they have earned through honest and hard work. I believe that most of the tea party people would agree with that statement. Do not punish those who have worked and reward SOME who choose not to abey our laws and just simply want a handout. You can not lump all “poor” people in the same category as helpless beyond their control. I know a lot of rich and middle class people who give very generously to their Church, Red Cross, Sacred Heart and the lists go on. My objection is just throwing a bunch of money against the wall and use the excuse we are helping the unfortunate. There should be some sort of accountability for all of us. Just my 2 cents.

The poor are denied top-notch medical care on a regular basis in this country. Your post proves my point. You are concerned about someone taking away what is yours. Pathetic. The Tea Party movement is like so many heresies: They appear faithful, even to the point of using Scripture (misapplied , of course) to support their position. As an example, read Nestorius’s first homily against the Theotokos–it is loaded with Scripture. But at least he was arguing about how we should understand Christ, and wasn’t simply trying to withhold basic rights to others simply because of their socio-economic status.

 

[JulieAA]

The poor are denied top-notch medical care on a regular basis in this country. Your post proves my point. You are concerned about someone taking away what is yours. Pathetic. The Tea Party movement is like so many heresies: They appear faithful, even to the point of using Scripture (misapplied , of course) to support their position. As an example, read Nestorius’s first homily against the Theotokos–it is loaded with Scripture. But at least he was arguing about how we should understand Christ, and wasn’t simply trying to withhold basic rights to others simply because of their socio-economic status.

First, please allow me to make myself a little clearer on this subject. I am not, nor have I ever, been “concerned” about anyone taking anything away from me. The point is that it does not belong to me in the first place. It was/is a gift from God and it belongs to Him…not me! What I am reading into your statement, and please correct me if I am wrong, that you appear to lump all “poor” and “wealthy” in the same category. There are honest and God fearing poor among us, who through no fault of their own, finds themselves in a position of needing help…yes, we are demanded by God to help all of these brothers and sisters. What I am talking about are the people who have made a choice not to work and just rely on free handouts. Scripture: those who do not work, should not eat. Lumping all in the same category is just not right.

 

[CWBetts]

First, please allow me to make myself a little clearer on this subject. I am not, nor have I ever, been “concerned” about anyone taking anything away from me. The point is that it does not belong to me in the first place. It was/is a gift from God and it belongs to Him…not me! What I am reading into your statement, and please correct me if I am wrong, that you appear to lump all “poor” and “wealthy” in the same category. There are honest and God fearing poor among us, who through no fault of their own, finds themselves in a position of needing help…yes, we are demanded by God to help all of these brothers and sisters. What I am talking about are the people who have made a choice not to work and just rely on free handouts. Scripture: those who do not work, should not eat. Lumping all in the same category is just not right.

It does not matter why one finds himself in a position of poverty. All are creations of God, and deserve the dignity due them by virtue that they are human persons. This means that we do not condemn one to death based on whether or not they are lazy. What about those who do not work, yet are wealthy by circumstance of birth? You limp all the affluent together: you assume they have worked for it. This is obviously not the case. It is the responsibility of the wealthy to look to the needs of the poor. When the wealthy refuse to do so, they must be made to do so.

 

[JulieAA]

It does not matter why one finds himself in a position of poverty. All are creations of God, and deserve the dignity due them by virtue that they are human persons. This means that we do not condemn one to death based on whether or not they are lazy. What about those who do not work, yet are wealthy by circumstance of birth? You limp all the affluent together: you assume they have worked for it. This is obviously not the case. It is the responsibility of the wealthy to look to the needs of the poor. When the wealthy refuse to do so, they must be made to do so.

Of course everyone deserves dignity…that is not my point. Who is condemning anyone to death? Everyone is entitled to go to a hospital or get a good education and from what I see, they have never been denied the care and education they need. All I am asking is for accountability which, by the way, gives a person dignity as well. My family originally immigrated from Italy…legally and did not know the language, but then chose to learn and respect the laws of this country. They had absolutely no money when they came; however, with hard work they made a good life for themselves. Everyone is a child of God and deserves to be treated as such. I do not know how to make this any clearer: I believe in helping those who need our help. God knows my heart and that is all that really matters to me. God is not going to ask me how much money/power/ I have accumulated during my lifetime. I know the question I will be asked when I stand before Him. All will be asked that same question as well.

 

[CWBetts]

Of course everyone deserves dignity…that is not my point. Who is condemning anyone to death? Everyone is entitled to go to a hospital or get a good education and from what I see, they have never been denied the care and education they need. All I am asking is for accountability which, by the way, gives a person dignity as well. My family originally immigrated from Italy…legally and did not know the language, but then chose to learn and respect the laws of this country. They had absolutely no money when they came; however, with hard work they made a good life for themselves. Everyone is a child of God and deserves to be treated as such. I do not know how to make this any clearer: I believe in helping those who need our help. God knows my heart and that is all that really matters to me. God is not going to ask me how much money/power/ I have accumulated during my lifetime. I know the question I will be asked when I stand before Him. All will be asked that same question as well.

The death sentence comes when someone who cannot afford it, or insurance needs life-saving surgery. It happens when people have to make the choice between groceries or medicine. If you deny that this happens in this country then you have not seen real poverty.

 

[JulieAA]

The death sentence comes when someone who cannot afford it, or insurance needs life-saving surgery. It happens when people have to make the choice between groceries or medicine. If you deny that this happens in this country then you have not seen real poverty.

It is obvious that either I can not communicate clearly or you do not wish to hear what I am saying here. We help those who truly and honestly need our help…case closed.

 

[MariaTS]

No where in the Constitution does it say the gov’t is to provide health care.

I have also never heard of anyone in the Tea Party say anything racial, my dad attends tea party events and he told me himself that he has never heard of anyone spewing racial slurs to anyone or spew violence.

The National Heath care that you want so badly also funds abortions, so I don’t understand how you can be for that. How can you call yourself a Catholic, if you are for this health care that the big O has passed??!!

I have said my 2cents and now I will sit back and wait for your answer.

First of all, ensuring the welfare of all citizens includes making sure all citizens are healthy. Second of all, Universal Healthcare is not the same as President Obama’s bill. President Obama’s idea of Universal Healthcare is a poorly thought out idea. Also, the only healthcare bill President Obama passed is a bill that prohibits health insurance companies to discriminate on the basis of pre-existing condition when it comes to insuring clients. Third of all, even if you don’t like the president, you should still respect him. He is not the big O, he is President Obama.

 

[MariaTS]

You don’t seem to understand your faith or the constitution. Where do you get your information and why do you feel you can launch such a hateful diatribe against the few people left in this country who DO understand the constitution.

My faith does not tell me that I deserve to die because of a genetic condition. Neither does the constitution. The Tea Party does not believe that I deserve to live. It is not hateful to tell the truth.

 

[MariaTS]

where are you getting your MISinformation from??? apparently from the liberal media

Since all of the newspapers that I read are conservative, I don’t know how it’s misinformation if the conservative media is saying this. Also, please do not make assumptions.

 

[MariaTS]

and second of all i dont hate anyone, i dont wish death or harm upon anyone. have you ever gone to a Tea Party event?? if not, then please do not use heresy. cause that is exactly what you are doing. have you ever talked to someone that has ACTUALLY participated in a tea party event?? i personally dont think you have. if you have you wouldnt have had posted this thread. you, my friend, are a hypocrite. im sorry but i call it like i see it. and i will not tolerate you basically calling my dad who goes to these tea parties who is MILITARY, pro life, pro american, and a God loving man to be put down by someone like you. you do have the right to your OPINION, but you do not have any facts to back them up. my father has served 20 years in the military to protect this great country to keep every single american free no matter who they are. i was raised to love everyone and to be kind to them. but you are really rubbing me the wrong way.

people who go to these tea party events just love their country, are God loving people, and want small government. what is sooo wrong with that???

im backing out of this thread now before i get banned from this amazing website.

i apologize for getting upset.

First of all, don’t attack my opinion if you are incapable of using proper grammer. Second of all, I have talked to members of the Tea Party.

 

[markbrumbaugh]

One of the reasons for establishing the Constitution was to “promote the general welfare”. This means to see after the well-being of the people.

Oh for crying out loud. Supporting the general welfare does not mean the government will take care of everybody. First they have no resources and produce nothing. Second the only way they can give is to take away from somethone else. Someday the folks that produce the goods that the government takes, will tire of their efforts and then the government will have nothing to give.

The constitution is not written to justify social security, medicare, welfare, unemployment benefits and insure that everyone has an education and food in their belly. It is to make sure everyone has the opportunity to make for themselves what ever it is they desire to make of themselves.