Tea party wins in northeastern primaries could bode well for Democrats

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Scott_Lafrance said:
I never said that is what I WANT. I said that I am comfortable with it if that is what it comes to. Hey, I was where you are 5-6 years ago. I was a diehard GOP and Bush supporter. I have come to the firm conclussion that parties cause more harm than good, that there is a ruling class of wealthy elite who have no interest in individual freedom, and that the idea of “nation” is just a mind game that the ruling class uses to guilt trip you into bowing to their demands. I don’t play that game anymore. Look up old posts of my old username Apologia100. It will bear out what I am telling you.
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Again, wrong about me. I am a diehard Catholic, not a diehard Republican. There are things I like about the Tea Party, things I do not. There are things I like about the GOP and things I do not. There are also things I like about the Deomcratic Party and things I truly hate. So, you were never where I am. I care about people and about souls more than I care about the ways of the world. If we lose the USA, than the last best hope for planet earth is also lost (Lincoln said that). This nation has a ton of problems, but a divided house will NOT be capable of fixing any of those problems, nor will parties that are absolutist in nature.
 
It’s pretty shocking when the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate from Utah advocates “second amendment” solutions if our nation’s policies don’t suit her libertarian view of the way things ought to be. Many on the CA forum also seem to advocate armed insurrection to force our government to do things their way. We are no longer talking about a love for democracy. We are talking about right wing totalitarianism – which makes Glen Beck’s rants about the Obama administrations totalitarian impulses pretty laughable.

No reasonable person, Catholic or otherwise, can accept that approach. If you can’t win at the ballot box, you have to find a way to broaden your appeal to voters – currently unacceptable to Republicans – or accept perpetual status in opposition to the (Democratic) party in power. – also unacceptable to Republicans. The only remaining option is to buy “guns…lots of guns” to steal a phrase from The Matrix. Let’s hope that the Kool-Aid drinkers pull themselves back from the brink of the abyss and accept the notion of a democracy. This is a mirror image of the '60s when the radical Left went nuts and started blowing things up. Now it’s the radical Right’s turn, I guess. God help us all.
 
Alan55 said:
It’s pretty shocking when the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate from Utah advocates “second amendment” solutions if our nation’s policies don’t suit her libertarian view of the way things ought to be. Many on the CA forum also seem to advocate armed insurrection to force our government to do things their way. We are no longer talking about a love for democracy. We are talking about right wing totalitarianism – which makes Glen Beck’s rants about the Obama administrations totalitarian impulses pretty laughable.

No reasonable person, Catholic or otherwise, can accept that approach. If you can’t win at the ballot box, you have to find a way to broaden your appeal to voters – currently unacceptable to Republicans – or accept perpetual status in opposition to the (Democratic) party in power. – also unacceptable to Republicans. The only remaining option is to buy “guns…lots of guns” to steal a phrase from The Matrix. Let’s hope that the Kool-Aid drinkers pull themselves back from the brink of the abyss and accept the notion of a democracy. This is a mirror image of the '60s when the radical Left went nuts and started blowing things up. Now it’s the radical Right’s turn, I guess. God help us all.
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Very well said, and thank you for an injection of sanity. If you take note, some people are actually saying it would be better for the USA to be wiped from the earth if they do not get their way.
 
irishpatrick said:
I agree that we need to make changes, or else foundational principles will be lost. Yet, we should be working together, not fighting each other. Tea Party people have no compromise in them…and a house divided wins nothing.
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Was listening to the Tom Sullivan show on my way home earlier, he had an older black woman from MD call in and talk about how northeastern blue dog democrats have found a home in the tea party.

I don’t think it’s divisive at all, I think it’s conservatives standing up to be counted and drawing the battle lines in the sand in the primaries.

Come Nov. the official battle lines will be drawn. You can either join Obama’s side or the conservative side or stand in the middle and get run over when the conservatives yell charge.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I, personally, are getting rather tired of the self-righteous, pontificating primadonas that we have had for the last hundred years. I like the fact that she has baggage. It means she is more like me than some polished elitist who I cannot identify with.
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If you agree that she has consistently lied about her background and who she is, how can you know who she is at all? Maybe she is also a righteous, pontificating prima donna. Once you give her a pass on all her lies, how can you know? You’d be better off pulling a name out of a hat.
 
irishpatrick said:
States CANNOT pull away from the union. That case was forever settled during the civil war. Any state could try, but they will not be allowed to leave. Deal with that reality.

The world will catch fire if the USA falls apart.
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I beg to differ. I think it is healthy for there to be an increase in states sovereignty and a decrease in strong federal government that accomplishes less and does so in a wasteful (to taxpayers) manner. This return to loose federalism can be accomplished without breaking up the union.

Either way, I feel this election cycle movement is the last best hope for our nation. Politically, a line has been drawn in the sand, and it is either vote for a change that represents the will of the people or time to start voting for increased states sovereignty for states that will defend the will of the people.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Was listening to the Tom Sullivan show on my way home earlier, he had an older black woman from MD call in and talk about how northeastern blue dog democrats have found a home in the tea party.

I don’t think it’s divisive at all, I think it’s conservatives standing up to be counted and drawing the battle lines in the sand in the primaries.

Come Nov. the official battle lines will be drawn. You can either join Obama’s side or the conservative side or stand in the middle and get run over when the conservatives yell charge.
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You make my point: absolutist win nothing.
 
irishpatrick said:
You make my point: absolutist win nothing.
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It’s not absolutist at all.

It’s the check to bring back balance. It’s to bring the democrat party back to the center so that this is a center right country again. Not a center left country. Those blue dogs will vote democrat again once the democrat party proves that it is in it for the good of the city/state/country rather than the far left ideology it has adopted.

The unions need a reality check, the democrats need a reality check and the republicans are in the middle of their reality check. The democrats haven’t even gotten started yet.
 
irishpatrick said:
States CANNOT pull away from the union. That case was forever settled during the civil war. Any state could try, but they will not be allowed to leave. Deal with that reality.

The world will catch fire if the USA falls apart.
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The only thing that was settled in the War of Northern Oppression is that bigger, more well funded armies can make smaller, less well funded armies do whatever they want them to do. The secession of the southern states was never legally settled, only settled through violence and military occupation. If what you say is true, then the 13 colonies COULD NOT break away from England.
 
Alan55 said:
It’s pretty shocking when the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate from Utah advocates “second amendment” solutions if our nation’s policies don’t suit her libertarian view of the way things ought to be. Many on the CA forum also seem to advocate armed insurrection to force our government to do things their way. We are no longer talking about a love for democracy. We are talking about right wing totalitarianism – which makes Glen Beck’s rants about the Obama administrations totalitarian impulses pretty laughable.

No reasonable person, Catholic or otherwise, can accept that approach. If you can’t win at the ballot box, you have to find a way to broaden your appeal to voters – currently unacceptable to Republicans – or accept perpetual status in opposition to the (Democratic) party in power. – also unacceptable to Republicans. The only remaining option is to buy “guns…lots of guns” to steal a phrase from The Matrix. Let’s hope that the Kool-Aid drinkers pull themselves back from the brink of the abyss and accept the notion of a democracy. This is a mirror image of the '60s when the radical Left went nuts and started blowing things up. Now it’s the radical Right’s turn, I guess. God help us all.
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Do you honestly believe that the founders of this country gave us the Second Amendment so we can go shoot ducks on Saturday morning?
 
TMC said:
If you agree that she has consistently lied about her background and who she is, how can you know who she is at all? Maybe she is also a righteous, pontificating prima donna. Once you give her a pass on all her lies, how can you know? You’d be better off pulling a name out of a hat.
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At this point, with about 95% of the incumbents in office, I think we would be better off pulling names out of a hat. At least she had the courage to air her dirty laundry on the national stage.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
It’s not absolutist at all.

It’s the check to bring back balance. It’s to bring the democrat party back to the center so that this is a center right country again. Not a center left country. Those blue dogs will vote democrat again once the democrat party proves that it is in it for the good of the city/state/country rather than the far left ideology it has adopted.

The unions need a reality check, the democrats need a reality check and the republicans are in the middle of their reality check. The democrats haven’t even gotten started yet.
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I would say that I am to the right, not center right, but right. Who are you to demand that we be center right nation? What happened to “we the people?”
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
The only thing that was settled in the War of Northern Oppression is that bigger, more well funded armies can make smaller, less well funded armies do whatever they want them to do. The secession of the southern states was never legally settled, only settled through violence and military occupation. If what you say is true, then the 13 colonies COULD NOT break away from England.
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If the people are unable to change the government through the ballot box, there will be states using the threat of secession to bring balance back to the government. It’s another check they must use, otherwise our decendants will find out what full blown oppression is. We will be one giant Venezuela, being told when to turn the lights out and go to bed.

It’s not just a conservative thing, there are some in Vermont who want to secede because the feds are not liberal enough.

But, hopefully the state politicians will start kicking federal agencies and programs out of their states. Then we can go from there.
 
Alan55 said:
It’s pretty shocking when the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate from Utah advocates “second amendment” solutions if our nation’s policies don’t suit her libertarian view of the way things ought to be. Many on the CA forum also seem to advocate armed insurrection to force our government to do things their way. We are no longer talking about a love for democracy. We are talking about right wing totalitarianism – which makes Glen Beck’s rants about the Obama administrations totalitarian impulses pretty laughable.

No reasonable person, Catholic or otherwise, can accept that approach. If you can’t win at the ballot box, you have to find a way to broaden your appeal to voters – currently unacceptable to Republicans – or accept perpetual status in opposition to the (Democratic) party in power. – also unacceptable to Republicans. The only remaining option is to buy “guns…lots of guns” to steal a phrase from The Matrix. Let’s hope that the Kool-Aid drinkers pull themselves back from the brink of the abyss and accept the notion of a democracy. This is a mirror image of the '60s when the radical Left went nuts and started blowing things up. Now it’s the radical Right’s turn, I guess. God help us all.
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UT’s candidate is too? Candidate Sharon Angle in NV has advocated turning to guns in armed insurrection as well if elections don’t go her way. Let us pray. :crossrc: Indeed God help and protect us all :grouphug: from such thinking. Peace.
 
irishpatrick said:
I would say that I am to the right, not center right, but right. Who are you to demand that we be center right nation? What happened to “we the people?”
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I never demanded anything.

I am saying the people are demanding that, and we are witness to this through conservative democrats and republicans alike coming togethor through the tea party.

I live in a right wing state, and I want it to stay that way. If it ever changes I want to move to another right wing state. As it is now, we are being crushed under the pressure of a left wing government and being told that we are stupid little people without an ivy league education so we must do as they say.

Oklahoma means nothing if it can not be Oklahoma. And if the northeastern states want to continue down the road they are on, fine…elect small government politicians to federal government and leave us alone. In the mean time elect liberal politicians to the state and destroy your state.
 
CMatt25 said:
Candidate Sharon Angle in NV has advocated turning to guns in armed insurrection as well if elections don’t go her way.
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I don’t think that’s fair. I think she was speaking to her general beliefs that the Second Amendment is a check on overreaching government and that she thinks the country is pretty far gone.

She never said she would advocate revolution if she lost the election. Not even remotely.
 
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