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rpp
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That is not a reasonable assumption to make. If that were the case, they would not need to get married. The annulment was denied, it is adultery. That is not a judgmental conclusion.
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gmarie21
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There is at least one member of these forums who is permanently in a brother/sister like living situation with their “spouse”. From what I recall they remain married for companionship. So this Catholic, who is not in a state of sin, could not be a teacher b/c s/he is living as brother and sister with their current “spouse”?
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rpp
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Has this teacher **publicly **proclaimed that he and his new wife have a Josephite marriage? Unless he has, then both he and his wife are in a state of objective mortal sin.There is at least one member of these forums who is permanently in a brother/sister like living situation with their “spouse”. From what I recall they remain married for companionship. So this Catholic, who is not in a state of sin, could not be a teacher b/c s/he is living as brother and sister with their current “spouse”?
It is unreasonable to presume that this couple has entered this very rare arrangement. If they had, it would have never gotten to this point.
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Cristiano
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Can you show how a person is in a state of objective mortal sin unless announces that he has a Josephite marriage?
I cannot follow your logic. I never publicly proclaimed that I never killed anybody. Does that make me a murderer?
Public proclamation does not mean anything (except, maybe, limiting scandal).
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rpp
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You know, I have rethought my post. How about this.
Adultery is **not **about engaging in the conjugal act with someone other than your spouse. Adultery is about breaking marital vows. Having an affair is just one of the more common ways the marital vows are broken.
Additionally, we must remember that marriage is one of the seven sacraments.
So he is in a state of objective mortal sin by merely making the marital vows with his second “wife”. The adultery that was committed did not occur in the bedroom after the wedding reception. It was done right there in front of witnesses and culminated with their words, “I do”.
Whether they are sleeping together or have a Josephite marriage is immaterial. The teacher, was not free to make the **sacramental **vows he made.
It is the vow the is the essence of the sacrament. And he broke that sacred vow by trying to make that **same vow **with another while his real wife is still alive.
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AngelicDoctor
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Duplicate topic, but the story is on-going and the article linked by the OP is more recent and has some more details.
DanB,
What kind of retirement benefits do teachers receive in the Catholic school system? I know that it is nothing like the public schools. They could have offered him a severance of some kind… even though, technically, the coach should have known full well that his actions (marrying outside of the Church) would constitute a violation of his contract (and numerous canons in the Code of Canon Law).
For more info on that, see:
swallowedscroll.blogspot.com/2007/09/when-catholics-fight-church.html
Canon Lawyer Dr. Ed Peters also has posted on this article:
canonlaw.info/2007/09/
news-flash-catholic-church-expects.html
DanB,
What kind of retirement benefits do teachers receive in the Catholic school system? I know that it is nothing like the public schools. They could have offered him a severance of some kind… even though, technically, the coach should have known full well that his actions (marrying outside of the Church) would constitute a violation of his contract (and numerous canons in the Code of Canon Law).
For more info on that, see:
swallowedscroll.blogspot.com/2007/09/when-catholics-fight-church.html
Canon Lawyer Dr. Ed Peters also has posted on this article:
canonlaw.info/2007/09/
news-flash-catholic-church-expects.html
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rpp
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The threads seemed to have been merged by the moderators.It seems to be the same thread
Thank you, moderators!
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Dandelion_Wine
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These seem to sum up every point I had to make. Thanks for beating me to the punch!
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childofmary1143
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How would he be considered an adulterer? I thought an adulterer would be one who cheated (sexually) on his spouse?
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KathleenElsie
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As long as a person is still married (in the Church’s eyes) then living and sleeping with another is adultery (in the Church;s) eyes. Civilly as long as the state gave them a divorce they are not considered adulterers.
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Al_Masetti
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Why would ANYONE want to be Catholic if they don’t want to follow the rules of the Catholic Church?
No one HAS to be Catholic. There is no law that says you HAVE to be Catholic. It’s not mandatory.
[don’t get me started.]
No one HAS to be Catholic. There is no law that says you HAVE to be Catholic. It’s not mandatory.
[don’t get me started.]
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irenaeus1
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Jesus said that whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if the wife divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.
That’s why he’s considered an adulterer.
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Nordar
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LOL I am with you I ask myself that question all the time!
If you don’t want to follow the rules then go be something else, why is that so dificult to comprehend?
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rpp
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Cheating sexually is just one way to commit adultery. Adultery is violating marriage vows. Having sex with another person certainly violates the marriage vows.
Another way to violate the marriage vows is to make marriage vows with another person. Thus the first act of adultery in this case happened when the man said, “I do” in front of the judge who “married” them. Even if they are living like brother and sister, adultery is being committed.
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