O
o_mlly
Guest
What empirical tests did the Big Bang theory pass? Ditto Darwinism.
Last edited:
- Status
B
buffalo
Guest
None. So therefore they are philosophy and belong in philosophy class. Only empirical science in science class. Evolution is a theory, remember.
R
Rau
Guest
Would ID be science or Philosophy?
Is there any course material for an ID course available online?
B
buffalo
Guest
What Is the Science Behind Intelligent Design?
Intelligent design (ID) is a scientific theory that employs the methods commonly used by other historical sciences to conclude that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. ID theorists argue that design can be inferred by studying the informational properties of natural objects to determine if they bear the type of information that in our experience arise from an intelligent cause. The form of information which we observe is produced by intelligent action, and thus reliably indicates design, is generally called “specified complexity” or “complex and specified information” (CSI). An object or event is complex if it is unlikely, and specified if it matches some independent pattern.Contrary to what many people suppose, the debate over intelligent design is much broader than the debate over Darwin’s theory of evolution. That’s because much of the scientific evidence for intelligent design comes from areas that Darwin’s theory doesn’t even address. In fact, the evidence for intelligent design comes from three main areas: Physics and Cosmology, the Origin of Life, and the Development of Biological Complexity.
B
buffalo
Guest
Developed for middle-school-age students to adults, the curriculum includes a textbook, a workbook with learning activities, and a DVD with video clips keyed to the content of the textbook.
https://discovering.design/curriculum/
https://discovering.design/curriculum/
R
rossum
Guest
See the Lederberg experiment and the Luria–Delbrück experiment for evolution. See the CMBR for the Big Bang.
R
rossum
Guest
Alongside ID, or do you have those papers outlining tested ID design detection methods I asked for?
B
buffalo
Guest
I’ m not sure SETI has a published one.
B
buffalo
Guest
B
buffalo
Guest
Last edited:
R
Rau
Guest
So is the same split valid for Evolution ?
F
Freddy
Guest
Following tbe link gets us to Intelligendesign.org. And they do a great job of defining what it is. Part of that definition:
“Intelligent design has applied these scientific methods to detect design in irreducibly complex biological structures, the complex and specified information content in DNA, the life-sustaining physical architecture of the universe, and the geologically rapid origin of biological diversity in the fossil record during the Cambrian explosion approximately 530 million years ago.” What Is Intelligent Design? | Intelligent Design
It seems that what they are doing is impossible as far as you and o-mlly are concerned. How can you ask us to investigate something, the very definition of which is categorically denied by you.
As I have said so many times, you cannot post any scientific evidence for your fundamentalist beliefs because hidden within that evidence will be facts that need to be accepted for the evidence to be valid but which you must reject.
And now even the very people who are supplying educational material which you say needs to be disseminated admitted that their very reason for existence is investigating things which you say are impossible.
Nice to be able to use the ol’ cartoon again.
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
Last edited:
P
poche
Guest
I believe that the OP said that it was not allowed.
R
rossum
Guest
So, you have no validated ID test for design. Thank you for confirming that. We will let you into the classroom when you have one. Until then, your side has some work to do.
Your google skills on SETI were obviously off-tune that day: How would we know that the signal is from ET?.
You will have to do better than this if you want to convince anyone, buffalo.
B
buffalo
Guest
Design is readily apparent to humans. Design detection techniques are used to distinguish a stronger signal from the background.
When see see an object we have not come across before, we immediately ask its purpose.
Here is a paper that can be taught in science class.
“A mathematical measure of functional information, in units of Fits, of the functional sequence complexity observed in protein family biosequences has been designed and evaluated. This measure has been applied to diverse protein families to obtain estimates of their FSC. The Fit values we calculated ranged from 0, which describes no functional sequence complexity, to as high as 2,400 that described the transition to functional complexity. This method successfully distinguishes between FSC and OSC, RSC, thus, distinguishing between order, randomness, and biological function.”
Last edited:
O
o_mlly
Guest
The age of the earth is not asserted in “the very definition of [ID]”. To claim so is a gross error or a purposeful deflection.
Unlike traditional forms of creationism, ID does not rely on a literal interpretation of the Bible. Nor does it take a stand on such issues as the age of the earth.
F
Freddy
Guest
It’s not asserted. It’s accepted as a given. The organisation that offers educational material for ID accepts evolution as having ocurred over millions of years.Freddy:
The age of the earth is not asserted in “the very definition of [ID]”.
You don’t. So you have to refute what they do because you don’t accept what they do. You directly oppose what they propose.
F
Freddy
Guest
Over millions of years? As per the links you give us? Are those links to be trusted?rossum:
Design is readily apparent to humans.
B
buffalo
Guest
Am I beginning to understand you accept ID, the science so long as it occurred over a long time?
- Status