Teaching evolution at a catholic school

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buffalo said:
Nope. God has allowed free will. In other words He allows humans to mess with the trajectory of the ball.
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Then your God is not omniscient, is He? He does not know, in advance, what option a human will choose.

Your argument is also irrelevant to all evolution happening before the first humans appeared on earth. It has nothing to do with dinosaurs or chimps for instance. Are you content that all physical and biochemical systems in chimps evolved by natural processes?
 
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o_mlly said:
Off-topic. How do you think that question relates to this thread?
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If a pupil asks a teacher how long life has been present on earth (and teaching is the subject of this thread) then what answer should the teacher give?

Your desperate dodging to avoid answering the question is desperately obvious.

Scientists like to answer questions, sometimes at great and tedious length. Non-scientists are not so keen to answer questions.
 
rossum said:
Then your God is not omniscient, is He? He does not know, in advance, what option a human will choose.

Your argument is also irrelevant to all evolution happening before the first humans appeared on earth. It has nothing to do with dinosaurs or chimps for instance. Are you content that all physical and biochemical systems in chimps evolved by natural processes?
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Huh? Sure He does. He permits it.

From my long history here how would you ever come up with that?

Do you accept as fact soft tissue findings in dinosaurs?
 
rossum said:
If a pupil asks a teacher how long life has been present on earth (and teaching is the subject of this thread) then what answer should the teacher give?

Your desperate dodging to avoid answering the question is desperately obvious.
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A desperately obvious desperate reach to hi-jack the topic. See, I can use the adjective and adverb form in the same sentence too.
 
o_mlly said:
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rossum:
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o_mlly:
Off-topic. How do you think that question relates to this thread?
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If a pupil asks a teacher how long life has been present on earth (and teaching is the subject of this thread) then what answer should the teacher give?

Your desperate dodging to avoid answering the question is desperately obvious.

Scientists like to answer questions, sometimes at great and tedious length. Non-scientists are not so keen to answer questions.
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A desperately obvious desperate reach to hi-jack the topic. See, I can use the adjective and adverb form in the same sentence too.
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The Earth is around 4.5 billion years old and life has been present for at least 3.5 billion years.
It is mindboggling that some people think its only a few thousand years old.
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buffalo said:
Why? …
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There have been at least dozens of threads on this topic so jump back into them so we don’t have to go over the same stuff. I am bored stiff hearing from you in different threads about soft tissue being found or carbon dating up to 50,000.
The science is overwhelming that the age of the earth is around 4.5 billion years old.
The young Earth people are quite frankly…well I can’t say or I will be flagged or suspended.
 
Montrose said:
The Earth is around 4.5 billion years old and life has been present for at least 3.5 billion years.
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It’s mindboggling to read people who continue to elevate as fact that which is merely inferred. Start a new thread.
 
Montrose said:
The science is overwhelming that the age of the earth is around 4.5 billion years old.
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You know it has to be or the house of cards falls. BTW as far as ID, the science goes, age does not matter whether design exists.

Start another thread. This is the evolution at a Catholic school thread, aka biology.
 
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o_mlly said:
Off-topic. How do you think that question relates to this thread?
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Do you really not see the relevance of the actual age of the Earth to a discussion about evolution and the teaching thereof? When one of the major objections by some groups to evolution is the necessarily long time span?
 
whatistrue said:
Do you really not see the relevance of the actual age of the Earth to a discussion about evolution and the teaching thereof?
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If the thread was about the quality of the science underpinning evolution theory then you’d have a point. It’s not. Read the OP’s question:
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Spanky1975:
Is this legit catholic diocese approved teaching or do we have wolves in Shepard’s clothing?
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Start a new thread.
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Someone must have blown the dog whistle when the word “evolution” appeared in this thread. Same names, same old questions, same feigned incredulity.
 
buffalo said:
Huh? Sure He does. He permits it.
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Good. Then your God is an example of the good pool player, who does not need to tilt the table. The ID designer is an example of the bad pool player who needs to tilt the table. It is that tilting which, in principle, makes the operation of the ID designer detectable.
buffalo said:
Do you accept as fact soft tissue findings in dinosaurs?
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Did you read my post above?
rossum said:
Mineralised fragments of collagen have been found in a few well preserved dinosaur bones.
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Perhaps you did not because you failed to answer my follow-on question:
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Proponents of a young date need to explain why such bones are so rare, rather than being common.
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Tell us why Dr. Schweitzer’s find was so rare, rather than being common, as it would be if the fossils are merely tens of thousands of years old.
 
o_mlly said:
It’s mindboggling to read people who continue to elevate as fact that which is merely inferred.
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Again you are showing your ignorance of science. Scientific facts can be inferred. There is no fossil and no record of your great^53-grandmother on your mother’s side, but we can infer for a fact that she existed. Or are you going to deny that as well?

Your failure to answer a simple question on the age of the earth allows us to infer with a high level of probability something about your beliefs on the answer to that question.
 
o_mlly said:
If the thread was about the quality of the science
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How do you square that with asking for test results from BBT while refusing to provide the same for ID? Can’t have it both ways.

And the entire first post was about someone who wondered whether evolution was a legitimate topic for a class at a Catholic school, since it was, in their mind, opposed to Genesis, making the quality of the science very relevant.
o_mlly said:
same feigned incredulity.
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Same duck, dodge, and weave; same refusal to answer basic simple questions while insisting on reams of scientific papers from others.
 
buffalo said:
One final question to ponder? Is it possible that God could have created in the recent past?
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Yes, if and only if the God who did such a creation is capable of lying deception.
One of the early antievolutionists, P. H. Gosse, published a book entitled Omphalos (“the Navel”). The gist of this amazing book is that Adam, though he had no mother, was created with a navel, and that fossils were placed by the Creator where we find them now - a deliberate act on His part, to give the appearance of great antiquity and geologic upheaveals. It is easy to see the fatal flaw in all such notions. They are blasphemies, accusing God of absurd deceitfulness. This is as revolting as it is uncalled for.

– Theodosius Dobzhansky
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rossum said:
The ID designer is an example of the bad pool player who needs to tilt the table. It is that tilting which, in principle, makes the operation of the ID designer detectable.
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You missed the entire point. The original front loaded FSCI (name removed by moderator)ut is astounding. God intervenes supernaturally to offset free will choices. ID, the science, is distinguishing stronger design signals from the background. God does not NEED to do anything. He is totally self satisfied. His creation is made for us as an expression of love.
 
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