Technically, how is resurrection possible without the Eucharist?

[Lief_Erikson]

When I took my first Eucharist, I was amazed to feel the physical bread becoming part of my physical body, the feeling of matter traveling down my system. I had the astounding knowledge that this was Christ’s own body, and then I realized why my flesh must be resurrected. It was physically, biologically unified with Christ’s flesh through the chemical processes of my body when Christ’s body and blood entered my body. And Christ is eternally alive!!! No part of him that is one with our flesh can fail to produce life, if we remain in him. And since He is part of our flesh, our flesh too will come to life.

That’s how I came to understand the resurrection of the body to work (and in fact become necessary) on a logical basis.

So I want to understand how Christians or non-Christians can be physically resurrected into eternal life without having ever physically partaken of the Eucharist. If Christ’s divine flesh never became one with their flesh, how can their flesh have life?

 

[DL82]

When I took my first Eucharist, I was amazed to feel the physical bread becoming part of my physical body, the feeling of matter traveling down my system. I had the astounding knowledge that this was Christ’s own body, and then I realized why my flesh must be resurrected. It was physically, biologically unified with Christ’s flesh through the chemical processes of my body when Christ’s body and blood entered my body. And Christ is eternally alive!!! No part of him that is one with our flesh can fail to produce life, if we remain in him. And since He is part of our flesh, our flesh too will come to life.

That’s how I came to understand the resurrection of the body to work (and in fact become necessary) on a logical basis.

So I want to understand how Christians or non-Christians can be physically resurrected into eternal life without having ever physically partaken of the Eucharist. If Christ’s divine flesh never became one with their flesh, how can their flesh have life?

“It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh counts for nothing” John 6:63

It’s not because of any chemical process that Christ’s body, blood, soul and divinity passes into us and becomes the deposit of eternal life. Otherwise, we would not need to be in a state of grace to benefit from the Holy Eucharist.

I don’t know how it works for those who have never received. For God all things are possible.

 

[Lief_Erikson]

“It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh counts for nothing” John 6:63

It’s not because of any chemical process that Christ’s body, blood, soul and divinity passes into us and becomes the deposit of eternal life. Otherwise, we would not need to be in a state of grace to benefit from the Holy Eucharist.

It is by a chemical process that Christ’s body and blood become part of us, because the bread and wine are his body and blood. Our spirits receive as well as our bodies, in Eucharist. Just as every part of Christ is in the gift of the Eucharist, every part of us is in the reception of it.

The purification of soul, spirit and body occur for a believer through Confirmation, Baptism and Confession (Baptism impacts the body too), so that every part of a person is purified to be prepared for the gift of God’s life.

I don’t know how it works for those who have never received. For God all things are possible.

Yeah, that’s the only way I can figure it right now too .

 

[Franciscan]

When I took my first Eucharist, I was amazed to feel the physical bread becoming part of my physical body, the feeling of matter traveling down my system. I had the astounding knowledge that this was Christ’s own body, and then I realized why my flesh must be resurrected. It was physically, biologically unified with Christ’s flesh through the chemical processes of my body when Christ’s body and blood entered my body. And Christ is eternally alive!!! No part of him that is one with our flesh can fail to produce life, if we remain in him. And since He is part of our flesh, our flesh too will come to life.

That’s how I came to understand the resurrection of the body to work (and in fact become necessary) on a logical basis.

So I want to understand how Christians or non-Christians can be physically resurrected into eternal life without having ever physically partaken of the Eucharist. If Christ’s divine flesh never became one with their flesh, how can their flesh have life?

I like your line of thinking since Jesus Himself said , “Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day”.

Your problem is starting a theological question with the word ‘technically’. That sort of constitutes a preemptive strike on the mystery of salvation…

 

[Lief_Erikson]

Logically, then . I’m not saying I need to understand everything. I’ll believe whether I understand or not.

 

[Franciscan]

A couple points …

1. Everyone in heaven or hell will have a resurrected body before the Final judgment. So already that includes non-Catholic and those who fell out of a state of grace.
2. Secondly, what about the person who receives the Eucharist and then falls into Mortal sin?

I think overall it is a reaffirmation of the goodness and potential holiness of our bodiers that we can have more than just a spiritual communion.

And the transubstantiation points to our resurrection to --something dead(bread) to something living(real presence).

For those outside the Faith it is onkly through a Baptism of Desire and how well they follow Natural Law.

 

[Lief_Erikson]

A couple points …

1. Everyone in heaven or hell will have a resurrected body before the Final judgment. So already that includes non-Catholic and those who fell out of a state of grace.

Yes, note that in my earlier post I said, “No part of him that is one with our flesh can fail to produce life, if we remain in him.” If we don’t remain in him, then our flesh no longer will remain one with his. At least, I don’t think Christ would allow that to happen. How he would separate the two, I don’t know.

1. Secondly, what about the person who receives the Eucharist and then falls into Mortal sin?

Those are the people I was talking about above. Perhaps excommunication, which severs them from Christ’s Body, separates them from their Eucharistic unity with his body and blood as well? On a chemical level, I don’t know how it could happen, but I think it must. For Christ unites with us on a chemical level as well as a spiritual one, so if we cut ourselves off from him on a spiritual level, some kind of physical cutting off surely also occurs. Else the damned would take part of Christ with them into hell . And that can’t be.

My feeling about the “resurrection” of the wicked is that their bodies are restored to them without being truly “alive.” They are reunited with dead bodies, if you will. Dead in every sense that matters. They can still suffer and think, but they aren’t alive in the same way people on Earth are alive. They are endlessly self-destructing, self-killing, never released from the first death but rather bound to both it and its completion in the second death. They’re “living” corpses both physically and spiritually, if that state of existence can be called life of any sort.

They also don’t “rise,” they “descend.” Their bodies don’t come up out of the grave- they go down further, if anything. I wouldn’t say that they are restored to life in order to be tortured, but rather that they are completed in death. Their flesh never really does come back to life. It simply falls into the ultimate corruption of death, the place it began to travel toward in life.

Does that make sense? I’m still trying to make sense of this myself.

 

[bpbasilphx]

It is by a chemical process that Christ’s body and blood become part of us, because the bread and wine are his body and blood.

**This is approaching the heresy of stercoarianism. (You DON’T what to know what the word means.)

The ACCIDENTS of the Eucharist are subjected to the biological processes, but not the SUBSTANCE of Christ’s Body and Blood.

I should emphasize that “substance” has a technical philosophical and theological meaning here.**

 

[Al_Masetti]

God is Infinite.

We and our tiny minds are extremely finite.

There is no possible way we can have any understanding or that we can explain what God has in mind.

When you reread the New Testament, pay close attention to when Jesus gets REALLY impatient with the Apostles. “You saw me change bread and fish to feed thousands and had much food left over … and you still don’t understand.”

[That’s the abbreviated version]

Jesus calmed the seas and filled the fishnets. He put gold coins in the fish’s mouth. He appeared and disappeared. He made the dead come back to life.

He was astonished when the Centurion asked Him to heal the servant. Because the Centurion KNEW who He was.

Meditate on the whole notion of Infinity. Time and space. But also creativity.

Start with the Apostles Creed … and just go as far as … “Creator of Heaven and Earth”. Stop there.

Think about that.

You and I are creations. Just fabrications. Figments of God’s imagination.

God is the Creator.

When God says He will cause our resurrections … believe it.

The “good thief” … popularly known as St. Dismas … never received the Eucharist … but Dismas was the first person across the threshold of Heaven.

None of us can explain that.

But Jesus said it; so it must be true. Jesus is God.

[Well, maybe not the first; Elijah and Enoch may have been the first.]

 

[Lief_Erikson]

It is by a chemical process that Christ’s body and blood become part of us, because the bread and wine are his body and blood.

This is approaching the heresy of stercoarianism. (You DON’T what to know what the word means.)

Actually, I very much do, since you said my belief that the bread and wine physically are the body and blood approaches it. I don’t want to fall into heresy. Though I truly don’t think I am.

The ACCIDENTS of the Eucharist are subjected to the biological processes, but not the SUBSTANCE of Christ’s Body and Blood.

I should emphasize that “substance” has a technical philosophical and theological meaning here.

I perused the concepts of accident and substance before becoming Catholic, and I agree with it. That concept doesn’t contradict what I was saying.