Teen Gets Life Sentence For Helping Girlfriend End Pregnancy

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**LUFKIN, Texas – **A 19-year-old accused of causing his teenage girlfriend to miscarry two fetuses by stepping on her stomach was convicted Monday of two counts of murder.

Gerardo Flores received an automatic life sentence because prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, which was available under the state’s 2003 fetus protection law. Erica Basoria, 17, acknowledged asking Flores to help end her pregnancy; she could not be prosecuted because of her legal right to abortion.

The defense contended that Basoria punched herself while Flores was stepping on her, making it impossible to tell who caused the miscarriage.

Basoria told authorities that, after about four months of pregnancy, she regretted not getting an abortion and started jogging and hitting herself to induce a miscarriage. When her efforts failed, she said she asked her boyfriend to help.

Flores did not testify, but earlier told police that he stepped on Basoria’s stomach several times during the week before she miscarried.

Prosecutor Art Bauereiss said most of Basoria’s family was pleased with the jury’s decision. But Basoria, who sobbed as she left the Angelina County Courthouse, had stood by Flores.

“It’s just tragedy all around,” said Flores’ attorney, Ryan Deaton.

Texas law defines an embryo or fetus as an “individual” and allows criminal prosecution or civil action for a preventable injury or death of a fetus. The law exempts health care providers who perform a legal medical procedure, such as an abortion.

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Confused??? Either the fetus is a child or not? Both Should be tried equally for the murder.

God Bless the Childern,
Beckers
 
It is sad for the babies, it is sad for the mother and the father and the grandparents. Yet, it is shocking to hear of a young man getting life for doing something that is basically abortion. We live in a nation that makes abortion as routine as visiting the dentist, yet this young man gets life…it just goes to show how messed-up we really are.
 
And here we see the insane logic that those that are the primary protectors of another person are allowed to kill that person while others are not allowed to kill the same person. Not much different than Euthanasia.

The abortion fiasco has modified the mindset of the country to where death and killing are appropriate as longs as the most “caring” person does the killing.
 
BRad,

Exactly, in in the mix of this there arew many lives destroyed. As much as a loath what that young man did, it does not shock me because we live in a culture where killing the unborn is profoundly acceptable and legal. It is further shocking that the man got life, and the mother got nothing. We truly live in a deeply fallen world. 😦
 
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BRad,

Exactly, in in the mix of this there arew many lives destroyed. As much as a loath what that young man did, it does not shock me because we live in a culture where killing the unborn is profoundly acceptable and legal. It is further shocking that the man got life, and the mother got nothing. We truly live in a deeply fallen world. 😦
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I like what Texas is doing. The logical conundrum can only be resolved by holding caretakers to actually be who they are and by disallowing killing the innocent by anybody.
 
Brad,

I am all for changing laws to make killing the unborn a crime. Yet, my point is that it is flat unfair to give that young man life for doing something that a doctor can legally do and what 4,000 mothers do everyday across the land…it is not a just response. In order to apply such strict sentences, we must first change the culture. It is a matter of culpability and justice.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Brad,

I am all for changing laws to make killing the unborn a crime. Yet, my point is that it is flat unfair to give that young man life for doing something that a doctor can legally do and what 4,000 mothers do everyday across the land…it is not a just response. In order to apply such strict sentences, we must first change the culture. It is a matter of culpability and justice.
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I disagree. It is flat unfair that 4,000 mothers can kill their babies with no penalty. It is completely fair that a person that stomps on babies with intent to kill gets punished appropriately.
 
Brad,

I understand your outrage about abortion, I honestly do. Yet the faith teaches that culpability does matter. If a person is invincibly ignorant of a given act, then that act might very well be reduced to being a venial sin. While abortion is always a mortal sin, the simple truth is nearly all young people are quite literally taught that killing the unborn is perfectly acceptable, perfectly moral and completely legal. Which means that the young man was merely acting upon the things that we grown adults have taught him for his 19 years of life.

Again, I strongly agree about abortion, yet we must blame ourselves, it is the “me” generation that has caused this mess and now we have taken our mess and blamed it on a 19 year-old kid that was taught it was okay for his entire life…that is simply unjust.

Instead, we must change the laws and then give notice to everyone that killing the unborn is an action that can and will be prosecuted. There is flat out unspeakable hypocrisy here. Abortion is legal and that is essentially what the boy did, he just is not a doctor. The mother asked him to help, yet she gets nothing, and she got nothing because abortion is legal…which means the law in Texas looks upon the mother as having the right to kill her baby, but the boy does not have a legal right to help her kill that baby even though she admits she asked for his help.

It is nuts.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Brad,

I understand your outrage about abortion, I honestly do. Yet the faith teaches that culpability does matter. If a person is invincibly ignorant of a given act, then that act might very well be reduced to being a venial sin. While abortion is always a mortal sin, the simple truth is nearly all young people are quite literally taught that killing the unborn is perfectly acceptable, perfectly moral and completely legal. Which means that the young man was merely acting upon the things that we grown adults have taught him for his 19 years of life.
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My statements have nothing to do with my “outrage”. I was talking plainly about what is fair and what is not fair. The fact that some judges decided to legalize baby killing does not make natural law obsolete. There are many, many adults that teach that abortion is murder and, apparently, Texas law sees it that way as well. Good for them. You cannot tell me that that 19 year old did not think he was doing something wrong in stomping all over her stomach.
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TPJCatholic:
Again, I strongly agree about abortion, yet we must blame ourselves, it is the “me” generation that has caused this mess and now we have taken our mess and blamed it on a 19 year-old kid that was taught it was okay for his entire life…that is simply unjust.
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I’m not blaming the mess on a 19 year old. He committed a crime. He was not taught that it was ok to stomp on a stomach to kill babies. Using your logic, anytime we introduce a law to limit abortions and the culture of death, we will be discriminating against the people that get caught and convicted because everyone else involved in the culture of death is not also being punished. You have to take these steps in increments. You are fed up with the Republican party because of not doing anything on abortion. Here is something. Be grateful for it.
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TPJCatholic:
Instead, we must change the laws and then give notice to everyone that killing the unborn is an action that can and will be prosecuted. There is flat out unspeakable hypocrisy here. Abortion is legal and that is essentially what the boy did, he just is not a doctor. The mother asked him to help, yet she gets nothing, and she got nothing because abortion is legal…which means the law in Texas looks upon the mother as having the right to kill her baby, but the boy does not have a legal right to help her kill that baby even though she admits she asked for his help.

It is nuts.
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Like I said in my prior post, it is complete hypocisy. You don’t fix the hypocrisy by making everyone free to commit violent crimes. You fix it by making everyone culpable that commits the crimes.

You are saying he should not be punished because she got nothing. That is an incorrect and biased argument.

If I speed at 90mph and accidentally hit a car on the shoulder and kill someone, I must pay for the crime.

If someone else speeds at 90mph, drives across the same shoulder, but there is no care on the shoulder, this person never pays for the crime. Should I no longer be punished because other speeders are lucky?

The fairness lies with what the young man did. He made his choice. She did not force him to do what he did. He is culpable.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Brad,

I understand your outrage about abortion, I honestly do. Yet the faith teaches that culpability does matter. If a person is invincibly ignorant of a given act, then that act might very well be reduced to being a venial sin. While abortion is always a mortal sin, the simple truth is nearly all young people are quite literally taught that killing the unborn is perfectly acceptable, perfectly moral and completely legal. Which means that the young man was merely acting upon the things that we grown adults have taught him for his 19 years of life.

Again, I strongly agree about abortion, yet we must blame ourselves, it is the “me” generation that has caused this mess and now we have taken our mess and blamed it on a 19 year-old kid that was taught it was okay for his entire life…that is simply unjust.

Instead, we must change the laws and then give notice to everyone that killing the unborn is an action that can and will be prosecuted. There is flat out unspeakable hypocrisy here. Abortion is legal and that is essentially what the boy did, he just is not a doctor. The mother asked him to help, yet she gets nothing, and she got nothing because abortion is legal…which means the law in Texas looks upon the mother as having the right to kill her baby, but the boy does not have a legal right to help her kill that baby even though she admits she asked for his help.

It is nuts.
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actually Texas just passed the bill that an unmarried girl under 18 needs written consent from her parents which will be verified to have an abortion. Thank God we have an anti abortion Governor. Texas is taking a step in the right direction. and the right man is President to get the job done. lets pray its made illegal before Bush is outed.
 
Brad,

*You cannot tell me that that 19 year old did not think he was doing something wrong in stomping all over her stomach. *
*==> I think there is no doubt at all that the 19 year-old thought he was doing some good for the mother. The only difference between him and a legal abortionist is that the abortionist is not getting life.

*I’m not blaming the mess on a 19 year old. He committed a crime. He was not taught that it was ok to stomp on a stomach to kill babies.

==> In his mind the unborn are not babies…that is the point you are missing…we did that to him.

You are fed up with the Republican party because of not doing anything on abortion. Here is something. Be grateful for it.

==>* I want justice, not vigilanteism. To say what that kid did was somehow worse then what abortionist do is simply wrong. They both murdered babies, yet the boy got life and the abortionists get rich. It is just not fair. If we are going to do that to the boy, the it should apply to the abortinists as well…if not, then it is not just.*

You fix it by making everyone culpable that commits the crimes.

==> I agree, and in this case the only person held culpable is the kid, the mother got off and so do all the abortionists.

You are saying he should not be punished because she got nothing. That is an incorrect and biased argument.

==> *I am saying that laws should be applied equally…it has nothing to do with bias. If the boy gets life for what he did, then so should the mother and so should anyone who taught them abortion is okay and so should the abortionists.
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If someone else speeds at 90mph, drives across the same shoulder, but there is no care on the shoulder, this person never pays for the crime. Should I no longer be punished because other speeders are lucky?

==> *The difference is the person that was speeding and did not pay was never caught…in the case we are talking about we know the girl was asking for his help and we know that abortion is legal in Texas. The boy aborted the babies as the girl asked, it is no different then if she had gone to the abortionist to get it done.

*The fairness lies with what the young man did. He made his choice. She did not force him to do what he did. He is culpable.

==> Jesus taught us not lead te young ones astray, for that would lead to “us” suffering profound chastisement. Our culture has lead that girl and boy astray and instead of us responding maturely, we are tossing that kid away for his entire life.

==> My point is this: What that boy did was horrible and wrong, no doubt or argument there. Yet, it was no more wrong then what the girl did and it was no more wrong then what the abortionists legally do everyday to the tune of 4,000 babies. You scream that the boy deserved it…yet I see nothing from you about the girl or about the abortionists or about the unfairness of giving the boy life, while letting the girl and the abortionists off the hook with a smile and riches. You know, if that girl had used heavy weights to pound her own stomach and the babies died, she would not have been prosecuted…think about that.
 
Tarashly,

Yes, and that is great news. Yet we must apply these laws in a just way.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Brad,

*You cannot tell me that that 19 year old did not think he was doing something wrong in stomping all over her stomach. *
*==> I think there is no doubt at all that the 19 year-old thought he was doing some good for the mother. The only difference between him and a legal abortionist is that the abortionist is not getting life.

*I’m not blaming the mess on a 19 year old. He committed a crime. He was not taught that it was ok to stomp on a stomach to kill babies.

==> In his mind the unborn are not babies…that is the point you are missing…we did that to him.

You are fed up with the Republican party because of not doing anything on abortion. Here is something. Be grateful for it.

==>* I want justice, not vigilanteism. To say what that kid did was somehow worse then what abortionist do is simply wrong. They both murdered babies, yet the boy got life and the abortionists get rich. It is just not fair. If we are going to do that to the boy, the it should apply to the abortinists as well…if not, then it is not just.*

You fix it by making everyone culpable that commits the crimes.

==> I agree, and in this case the only person held culpable is the kid, the mother got off and so do all the abortionists.

You are saying he should not be punished because she got nothing. That is an incorrect and biased argument.

==> *I am saying that laws should be applied equally…it has nothing to do with bias. If the boy gets life for what he did, then so should the mother and so should anyone who taught them abortion is okay and so should the abortionists.
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If someone else speeds at 90mph, drives across the same shoulder, but there is no care on the shoulder, this person never pays for the crime. Should I no longer be punished because other speeders are lucky?

==> *The difference is the person that was speeding and did not pay was never caught…in the case we are talking about we know the girl was asking for his help and we know that abortion is legal in Texas. The boy aborted the babies as the girl asked, it is no different then if she had gone to the abortionist to get it done.

*The fairness lies with what the young man did. He made his choice. She did not force him to do what he did. He is culpable.

==> Jesus taught us not lead te young ones astray, for that would lead to “us” suffering profound chastisement. Our culture has lead that girl and boy astray and instead of us responding maturely, we are tossing that kid away for his entire life.

==> My point is this: What that boy did was horrible and wrong, no doubt or argument there. Yet, it was no more wrong then what the girl did and it was no more wrong then what the abortionists legally do everyday to the tune of 4,000 babies. You scream that the boy deserved it…yet I see nothing from you about the girl or about the abortionists or about the unfairness of giving the boy life, while letting the girl and the abortionists off the hook with a smile and riches. You know, if that girl had used heavy weights to pound her own stomach and the babies died, she would not have been prosecuted…think about that.
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Apparently you failed to read post #5. I pointed out the hypocrisy immediately. I’m just not excusing a murderer because our judicial system is full of hypocirsy. The young lady should be punished. So should the young man.

You are using a VERY liberal and morally relativisic argument here. You are pinning the blame for his actions on society, on the girl, on everyone else except him. That is what has gotten us into this mess to begin with.
 
If the mother has the right to commit abortion because it is “her” baby, shouldn’t the father have the same right because it is “his” baby? (note: I am absolutely pro-life, just noting the inconsistancy here.)

Their baby is temporarily residing in the mother due to biology; it’s not hers.

This whole thing is sad, but it seems to be punishing the father unequally for the same crime.
 
So I’m wondering how these Lacey Peterson-type laws are holding up. Someone’s bound to challenge them, maybe even over this case. So the supreme court will probably rule that it’s okay to abort this way too if that’s the woman’s “choice.” But then they can’t hide behind the doctor-patient secrecy…wow what a grisly convoluted mess we’re in…
 
Brad,

I am not placing the blame on the boy because in our civil society he really did nothing wrong (put aside the obvious moral law violation here). Think it through calmly without attachment to your feelings for the unborn. The simple truth is abortion is legal, the murder of the unborn is legal…that mother asked the boy to abort her babies for her. If the boy had driven the girl to the abortion clinic, the babies would not be less dead, but the boy would be eating dinner with his family tonight, rather then facing a suicidal life in prison. Sure, the boy did the deed, but he did not kill those babies anymore completely then if an abortionist had done it in a so-called legal manner. How exactly is the murder of those babies through extraction or salt or chemicals, etc…any more moral then jumping on them?

If abortion were illegal, then I would be with you all the way, but it is legal to murder our unborn…therein lies the problem. It is waaaay beyond hypocritical to place that kid in jail forever, but let aduly baby murderers (abortionists) walk free and become rich killing the unborn. Please, try to see that the young man did nothing that the abortionist would not have done…he aborted those babies. Why do you think Texas could not do anything to the mother? It is because abortion is legal and she used her so-called legal rights to have her friend abort her babies.
 
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mikev:
If the mother has the right to commit abortion because it is “her” baby, shouldn’t the father have the same right because it is “his” baby? (note: I am absolutely pro-life, just noting the inconsistancy here.)

Their baby is temporarily residing in the mother due to biology; it’s not hers.

This whole thing is sad, but it seems to be punishing the father unequally for the same crime.
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Nobody should have such a “right”. I’m sure you have heard the saying “Two wrongs don’t make a right”?
 
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