Teen Gets Life Sentence For Helping Girlfriend End Pregnancy

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Brad,

Sorry, justice is what I seek, not your view of the universe (calling me a moral relavist is meaningless to me, so you might as well give that up and calling people names is not very Christian of you anyway).

I do not see you demandiong that all abortionists be given a life sentence for their baby murders. Nor do I see you apply that to mothers who abort their babies, or to fathers who help the mothers abort their babies…I see you discriminating against one young man. That is unjust.

Like it or not, you are being completely unjust. If if it right for that young man to receive a life sentence for doing a LEGAL act, then the same should be given to all of the above. If you do not agree, then you are merely discriminating against the young man simply because you don’t like how he murdered the babies. I feel you are trying to win this discussion, rather then to give actual thought to what I am several others are saying.

Answer this: Since abortion is legal, how can what that boy did be considered something he should receive life for, while it is NOT applicable to the abortionists, mothers and fathers who kill babies everyday?

If you call for this for that young man, then you had better be demanding it publicly and outloud for all the others, otherwise you are merely a hypocrite.

BTW, if you daughter did that, should be given the electric chair?
 
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Brad:
Sorry. Moral relativism.
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The problem here is that TPJ is not making a moral argument. That has been settled long ago: abortion is always gravely immoral. We all agree on this.

The argument he and I and others are trying to make is a legal one about the lack of internal consistency in this case, but you insist on trying to stuff it into a moral mold where it will never fit. This isn’t moral relativism, it’s more a commentary on the schizoid and dissociative nature of American jurisprudence since Roe v Wade. It’s only getting worse, and it probably will get a lot worse before it gets better.
 
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Brad:
It is warped logic but only because the Roe V. Wade decision was far more warped. I’d prefer to continue to move towards “unwarping” the laws of this country rather than allowing everyone to go scot free because we can’t prosecute all.
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Brad,
I must admit you are persuasive and articulate in presenting your position, however it still doesn’t quite work for me.

Ultiimately, it’s an issue of equal application of the law. It’s wrong to punish the boy based on one interpretation of law while letting the girl go free by a different interpretation of the same law; when they both did essentially the same thing.
 
marcadam,

Very well said, I wish I had said it. 🙂

I think we all strongly agree about the horrible nature of abortion. Yet if we are going to start handing out life for those actions, then it had better be to everyone…not some poor sinning slug in Texas.
 
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**LUFKIN, Texas – **A 19-year-old accused of causing his teenage girlfriend to miscarry two fetuses by stepping on her stomach was convicted Monday of two counts of murder.

Gerardo Flores received an automatic life sentence because prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, which was available under the state’s 2003 fetus protection law. Erica Basoria, 17, acknowledged asking Flores to help end her pregnancy; **she could not be prosecuted because of her legal right to abortion. **

The defense contended that Basoria punched herself while Flores was stepping on her, making it impossible to tell who caused the miscarriage.

Basoria told authorities that, after about four months of pregnancy, she regretted not getting an abortion and started jogging and hitting herself to induce a miscarriage. When her efforts failed, she said she asked her boyfriend to help.

Flores did not testify, but earlier told police that he stepped on Basoria’s stomach several times during the week before she miscarried.

Prosecutor Art Bauereiss said most of Basoria’s family was pleased with the jury’s decision. But Basoria, who sobbed as she left the Angelina County Courthouse, had stood by Flores.

“It’s just tragedy all around,” said Flores’ attorney, Ryan Deaton.

Texas law defines an embryo or fetus as an “individual” and allows criminal prosecution or civil action for a preventable injury or death of a fetus. **The law exempts health care providers who perform a legal medical procedure, such as an abortion. **

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Confused??? Either the fetus is a child or not? Both Should be tried equally for the murder.

God Bless the Childern,
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**THIS IS INSANITY!!! :mad: **
 
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marcadam:
The problem here is that TPJ is not making a moral argument. That has been settled long ago: abortion is always gravely immoral. We all agree on this.

The argument he and I and others are trying to make is a legal one about the lack of internal consistency in this case, but you insist on trying to stuff it into a moral mold where it will never fit. This isn’t moral relativism, it’s more a commentary on the schizoid and dissociative nature of American jurisprudence since Roe v Wade. It’s only getting worse, and it probably will get a lot worse before it gets better.
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If that is the argument you are both making, the argument is silly because I have no disagreement that the legal system is a mess. That understanding is at the core of much of what I think is wrong with the country and needs prompt correction.

The idea that TPJ is making IS a moral argument - that it is immoral to punish the young man because the young woman was not punished, even though he does deserve punishment for breaking the moral law of God. That is moral relativism.
 
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marcadam:
Still wrong, because there is no mistrial for the first, nor even a consideration of crime. Abortionists are considered good, lawful citizens providing a necessary medical “treatment”. This boy, for doing the same thing they do, albeit more crudely and without license, gets life in prison. Either they are both murderers, or not. It can’t be both. These laws are insane. Sooner or later this legal dissonance is going to implode.
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Isn’t that the idea behind the Texas law and therefore the potential impetus for radical change in the abortion law in this country?
 
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mikev:
Brad,
I must admit you are persuasive and articulate in presenting your position, however it still doesn’t quite work for me.

Ultiimately, it’s an issue of equal application of the law. It’s wrong to punish the boy based on one interpretation of law while letting the girl go free by a different interpretation of the same law; when they both did essentially the same thing.
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It is unfair. I said as much in post #5. However, warped law aside, it is not wrong to punish the boy.
 
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