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Is darkness related to skin color, or is it an absence of light?
Good morning, LJ,

By “darkness”, and “dark spirits,” I meant those spirits who follow an absence of the Light and seek to get anyone they can to follow an absence of the Light. They can do that by presenting confusing “feelings” such as “feeling sick” to people.

The Holy Spirit would never rob freedom of choice by creating a feeling of darkness or a feeling of illness within someone. If that were to happen, then it would be as though God were “herding people” toward truth and light by jarring their soul and body into conformity. God will always allow freedom of choice. Dark spirits do not believe in freedom of choice, so they create confusion and thus try to interrupt the flow of the Light of the gospel. God is not the author of confusion.

Thanks once again for asking for clarification. I appreciate it.👍
 
I appreciate it.
I appreciate your neo-Mormon heresy. 👍

Those who become distressed upon reading what challenges their belief system might be challenged into modifying their belief system, hunh? 😉
 
**When I read what is written below, a few chapters from the Catechism the Holy Spirit confirms it for me in a way that for me is undeniable. All the chapters make perfect sense. I think this answers everything as to dark spirits and how we receive truth and or lies Hope it helps. **
**This a fabulous look into this darkness Parker. Print this off, find a quiet place, pray then read this slowly and pray some more. Without delving into the sin of flattery and in all sincerity I am giving this to you from Jesus Himself, out of His love for you Parker. You are at this site for a reason. Just like you are here I found myself in Utah to become a rich man working with my LDS brother in law. Instead I found Gods Church and found out the real reason I came to Utah. My greed led me to freedom in Christ. God takes bad and makes it good. P.S I did not become wealthy, I became a Christian and found much more. You are here because? It is my opinion that God is moving in your life Parker, bringing you into truth. One common quote that pops up from time to time each year is “Why did it take me so long?” **

**Here is a good look into why we are all sinners, how the Mormon church has fallen for a lie and why the Catholic church has Confession as a great Sacrament. Lets look at some Catholic chapters so as to help in this posting. **
[398](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/398.htm’)😉 In that sin man *preferred *himself to God and by that very act scorned him. He chose himself over and against God, against the requirements of his creaturely status and therefore against his own good. Constituted in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully “divinized” by God in glory. Seduced by the devil, he wanted to “be like God”, but “without God, before God, (no Trinity) and not in accordance with God”.279 (No Trinity) as God is Trinity
**THE FALL OF THE ANGELS **
[391](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/391.htm’)😉 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church’s Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called “Satan” or the “devil”.267 More here: scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#410
[392](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/392.htm’)😉 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This “fall” consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably *rejected *God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter’s words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil “has sinned from the beginning”; he is “a liar and the father of lies”.271
More:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#410
In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.
[395](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/395.htm’)😉 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God’s reign. in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
More:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm#410

Continued
 
[396](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/396.htm’)😉 God created man in his image and established him in his friendship. A spiritual creature, man can live this friendship only in free submission to God. The prohibition against eating “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” spells this out: "for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die."276 The "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"277 symbolically evokes the insurmountable limits that man, being a creature, must freely recognize and respect with trust. Man is dependent on his Creator, and subject to the laws of creation and to the moral norms that govern the use of freedom.
Man’s first sin
[397](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/397.htm’)😉
Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God’s command. This is what man’s first sin consisted of.278 All subsequent sin would be disobedience toward God and lack of trust in his goodness.
[398](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/398.htm’)😉 In that sin man *preferred *himself to God and by that very act scorned him. He chose himself over and against God, against the requirements of his creaturely status and therefore against his own good. Constituted in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully “divinized” by God in glory. Seduced by the devil, he wanted to “be like God”, but “without God, before God, and not in accordance with God”.279
399 Scripture portrays the tragic consequences of this first disobedience. Adam and Eve immediately lose the grace of original holiness.280 They become afraid of the God of whom they have conceived a distorted image - that of a God jealous of his prerogatives.281
[400](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/400.htm’)😉 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.286
[401](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/401.htm’)😉 After that first sin, the world is virtually inundated by sin There is Cain’s murder of his brother Abel and the universal corruption which follows in the wake of sin. Likewise, sin frequently manifests itself in the history of Israel, especially as infidelity to the God of the Covenant and as transgression of the Law of Moses. And even after Christ’s atonement, sin raises its head in countless ways among Christians.287 Scripture and the Church’s Tradition continually recall the presence and universality of sin in man’s history:
What Revelation makes known to us is confirmed by our own experience. For when man looks into his own heart he finds that he is drawn towards what is wrong and sunk in many evils which cannot come from his good creator. Often refusing to acknowledge God as his source, man has also upset the relationship which should link him to his last end, and at the same time he has broken the right order that should reign within himself as well as between himself and other men and all creatures.288
 
Those who become distressed upon reading what challenges their belief system might be challenged into modifying their belief system, hunh? 😉
LJ,
Not usually, if ever.

People whose beliefs are challenged more often dig in and become more entrenched in their beliefs–a human nature thing to do. The Sanhedrin did that at the time of Christ, you will recall, except Nicodemus who caught a glimmer of the Light but went to the Savior by night because he probably didn’t want to be seen asking sincere questions during the day with others around. Even then, he didn’t understand what the Savior was talking about and seemed to want to keep his previously held belief system in place. He didn’t want to be “born again” or even to think what that might mean.
 
People whose beliefs are challenged more often dig in and become more entrenched in their beliefs–a human nature thing to do.
Definitely human nature, which leads to the difficult time that the prophets had. And any social reformer has.
 
Catholic-RCIA,
I don’t know why I have been selected to be the recipient of your comments. I will again explain that I came to this forum because of a “Google” search a long time ago now, and when I saw falsehoods related to the church I know to be true, and falsehoods related to the Book of Mormon which falsehoods were being paraded as “teachings”, then I decided to do what I could to not just “let those be” when I found out that I could participate in this particular section of the website.

Your comments are often off topic. If you want to discuss the fall of Adam and Eve, there is a thread about “original sin” right now (not of interest to me) and there have been a few other threads in recent months, including one I started about Adam making a deliberate choice and keeping a commandment by choosing to stay with Eve. You can look for those threads, and see my comments on that subject.
 
Good morning, LJ,

By “darkness”, and “dark spirits,” I meant those spirits who follow an absence of the Light and seek to get anyone they can to follow an absence of the Light. They can do that by presenting confusing “feelings” such as “feeling sick” to people.

The Holy Spirit would never rob freedom of choice by creating a feeling of darkness or a feeling of illness within someone. If that were to happen, then it would be as though God were “herding people” toward truth and light by jarring their soul and body into conformity. God will always allow freedom of choice. Dark spirits do not believe in freedom of choice, so they create confusion and thus try to interrupt the flow of the Light of the gospel. God is not the author of confusion. . . .
Parker,
Your comments are clearly aimed at SteveVH and me, since we both described a sick feeling when reading the BoM. I also said I felt engulfed in darkness when reading the BoM.

The Holy Spirit dwells within Christians, and guides in spiritual discernment. There are times when we are able to sense darkness-we get a glimpse into the spiritual realm. It is the presence of darkness that can cause a Christian to feel “sick”. Dark forces (Satan, Demons) affect us on a spiritual and visceral level. It is not God who causes us to feel “sick”. He allows us to see, to recognize that which is against His truth.

You are right in saying that God is not a God of confusion. He made it very clear to Steve and to me that what we were reading was contrary to His Truth. God clarified the issue.

You are, also, right in saying, God doesn’t “herd people toward truth and light by jarring their soul and body into conformity.” When I realized the truth and left the Mormon Church, I was literally on the floor, on my face before God, asking his forgiveness. Christ carried me back to His Truth—as a shepherd carries a lost sheep upon his back to be reunited with his flock.

1 Corinthians 12: 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. . . . .10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits. . . .

**Ephesians 6: ** 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

In Christ,
Anna
 
Your comments are clearly aimed at SteveVH and me, since we both described a sick feeling when reading the BoM. I also said I felt engulfed in darkness when reading the BoM.
So true. Even though there are bright spots, the whole of the book elicits feelings of anger, anxiety, and despairing amazement that such a book would be thought of as sacred scripture.
 
Parker,
Your comments are clearly aimed at SteveVH and me, since we both described a sick feeling when reading the BoM. I also said I felt engulfed in darkness when reading the BoM.

The Holy Spirit dwells within Christians, and guides in spiritual discernment. There are times when we are able to sense darkness-we get a glimpse into the spiritual realm. It is the presence of darkness that can cause a Christian to feel “sick”. Dark forces (Satan, Demons) affect us on a spiritual and visceral level. It is not God who causes us to feel “sick”. He allows us to see, to recognize that which is against His truth.

You are right in saying that God is not a God of confusion. He made it very clear to Steve and to me that what we were reading was contrary to His Truth. God clarified the issue.

You are, also, right in saying, God doesn’t “herd people toward truth and light by jarring their soul and body into conformity.” When I realized the truth and left the Mormon Church, I was literally on the floor, on my face before God, asking his forgiveness. Christ carried me back to His Truth—as a shepherd carries a lost sheep upon his back to be reunited with his flock.

1 Corinthians 12: 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. . . . .10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits. . . .

**Ephesians 6: ** 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

In Christ,
Anna
Anna Scott,
You were correct in your first sentence above as to the quotes I was referring to, with the exclusion of the word “aimed”. (Not hard to figure out, except that I was responding directly to LJ’s questions to clarify.)

You have said above, correctly, that “it is not God who causes us to feel “sick””. Absence of light and absence of truth can be discerned through the senses being “in tune” with the Holy Spirit and detecting that what one is reading isn’t true, but the Holy Spirit nor God the Father nor the Savior would cause one to feel “sick” in regards to a feeling about truth or falsehood.

Your statement about “dark forces” also means that those “dark forces” will of course bring a feeling of “feeling sick” to someone when those dark forces know that the person is going to stop pursuing a truth once they feel “sick” inside. That is one of the ways they operate.

Your statement that God “clarified the issue” goes right back to “feeling sick”. So what I am saying to you is that God does not do that, as you noted. The Holy Spirit does not do that. That would be using the body as a tool of forcing behavior.

Your next paragraph does not sound like a very positive experience with God. God the Father does not dish out negative experiences to force behavior, nor does the Savior and Redeemer, nor does the Holy Spirit or Testator. The Savior doesn’t force a person back into His flock. He loves and beckons through the scriptures, but does not force nor “carry on His back” against the will of the person.

“The spiritual forces of evil” will indeed try to mimic whatever they think will make an impression on the mind and soul of someone. They are very adept at doing that. It is probably one of the things they do most actively and most cunningly.
 
Good morning, LJ,

By “darkness”, and “dark spirits,” I meant those spirits who follow an absence of the Light and seek to get anyone they can to follow an absence of the Light. They can do that by presenting confusing “feelings” such as “feeling sick” to people.

The Holy Spirit would never rob freedom of choice by creating a feeling of darkness or a feeling of illness within someone. If that were to happen, then it would be as though God were “herding people” toward truth and light by jarring their soul and body into conformity. God will always allow freedom of choice. Dark spirits do not believe in freedom of choice, so they create confusion and thus try to interrupt the flow of the Light of the gospel. God is not the author of confusion.

Thanks once again for asking for clarification. I appreciate it.👍
When one becomes a temple of the Holy Spirit, he is also guided by the Holy Spirit toward good and away from evil. Even in our purely physical lives, God has given us our senses to protect us. When something smells bad, we don’t eat it. We have spiritual senses that act in a similar way. When I read God’s word I am filled with light, peace and joy. It tastes very good and I have the urge to devour it. When I read the BoM I feel darkness, anxiety and a certain sickness. It smells bad and so I don’t even want to taste it.

It would be a cruel God, indeed, who would not warn His children and guide them away from danger. God does not take away our free will by prompting us to do good and warning us away from evil any more than my children are giving up their free will because I warn them against doing drugs. Should I remain silent and just hope that they make the right decision or should I point out evil and help steer them away? Following the words of Jesus, If I know how to give good things to my children, how much more will my Father in heaven give good things to his children. Drawing me toward goodness and away from evil has no bearing on my free will. I am still free to choose evil which is exactly what happens each time I sin. I am also free to choose goodness and remain in the presence of God.
 
"The spiritual forces of evil" will indeed try to mimic whatever they think will make an impression on the mind and soul of someone. They are very adept at doing that. It is probably one of the things they do most actively and most cunningly.
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When one becomes a temple of the Holy Spirit, he is also guided by the Holy Spirit toward good and away from evil. Even in our purely physical lives, God has given us our senses to protect us. When something smells bad, we don’t eat it. We have spiritual senses that act in a similar way. When I read God’s word I am filled with light, peace and joy. It tastes very good and I have the urge to devour it. When I read the BoM I feel darkness, anxiety and a certain sickness. It smells bad and so I don’t even want to taste it.

It would be a cruel God, indeed, who would not warn His children and guide them away from danger. God does not take away our free will by prompting us to do good and warning us away from evil any more than my children are giving up their free will because I warn them against doing drugs. Should I remain silent and just hope that they make the right decision or should I point out evil and help steer them away? Following the words of Jesus, If I know how to give good things to my children, how much more will my Father in heaven give good things to his children. Drawing me toward goodness and away from evil has no bearing on my free will. I am still free to choose evil which is exactly what happens each time I sin. I am also free to choose goodness and remain in the presence of God.
Parker,
Your comments are clearly aimed at SteveVH and me, since we both described a sick feeling when reading the BoM. I also said I felt engulfed in darkness when reading the BoM.

The Holy Spirit dwells within Christians, and guides in spiritual discernment. There are times when we are able to sense darkness-we get a glimpse into the spiritual realm. It is the presence of darkness that can cause a Christian to feel “sick”. Dark forces (Satan, Demons) affect us on a spiritual and visceral level. It is not God who causes us to feel “sick”. He allows us to see, to recognize that which is against His truth.

You are right in saying that God is not a God of confusion. He made it very clear to Steve and to me that what we were reading was contrary to His Truth. God clarified the issue.

You are, also, right in saying, God doesn’t “herd people toward truth and light by jarring their soul and body into conformity.” When I realized the truth and left the Mormon Church, I was literally on the floor, on my face before God, asking his forgiveness. Christ carried me back to His Truth—as a shepherd carries a lost sheep upon his back to be reunited with his flock.

1 Corinthians 12: 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. . . . .10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits. . . .

**Ephesians 6: ** 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

In Christ,
Anna
. . . .Your next paragraph does not sound like a very positive experience with God. God the Father does not dish out negative experiences to force behavior, nor does the Savior and Redeemer, nor does the Holy Spirit or Testator. The Savior doesn’t force a person back into His flock. He loves and beckons through the scriptures, but does not force nor “carry on His back” against the will of the person. . . . .
Parker, where in my post do you find any statement about God “forcing” behavior or “forcing” one back to His flock against their will?

How is Christ “carrying the penitent upon His back to reunite with His flock” not a “positive experience with God”? I experienced the parable of the lost sheep as a profound expression of Christ’s great love.

Luke 15: 1 Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him. 2 And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.” 3 So he told them this parable: 4 "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, **‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost.’ **7 Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Anna
 
Parker, where in my post do you find any statement about God “forcing” behavior or “forcing” one back to His flock against their will?

How is Christ “carrying the penitent upon His back to reunite with His flock” not a “positive experience with God”? I experienced the parable of the lost sheep as a profound expression of Christ’s great love.

Luke 15: 1 Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him. 2 And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.” 3 So he told them this parable: 4 "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, **‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost.’ **7 Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Anna
Anna Scott,
You had written about “feeling sick”. That would be a condition of “forced behavior.” Of course you don’t want to “feel sick.” So if you “feel sick”, then you do something in a reactive way–in this case, you evidently assumed reading the Book of Mormon was making you “feel sick” so you stopped reading it and evidently felt you needed to “repent” from having read it or having joined the LDS church, (not sure what you were repenting of when you had the experience “on the floor”).

Why in the world God would make a person feel they needed to repent for reading a book that talks about Christ and shows that Christ was loving and guiding more people on earth than the Jews near Jerusalem, during the period 600 BC to 400 AD, is beyond me. God does not prohibit exploration. The Old Testament is full of references that the Jews would be scattered across the world, and that God still loved them even though they were being scattered.

Repentance is for “sins”, and sincerely searching for one’s way in life is not sinful, ever. So, again, there were several expressions in what you wrote that were showing a condition of forced behavior, which God does not do.

Christ would not “carry the penitent on His back” under the condition you described. There was nothing going on, unless you didn’t describe something else that was happening in your life, to be “penitent” about. God allows free will and choice, including the free will and choice to read a book and figure out for ourselves whether it shows the “fruits” of living the gospel–but “darkness” or “feeling sick” can easily be brought into our minds and bodies by the fallen spirits who desire to control and force behavior. We then have to decide whether we are able to rule over them, or we allow them to rule over us in the sense of letting them control our choices.
 
Do you really want me to make a list of the bigoted statements in the BoM? We could do a study on it, but I know you really don’t want us to list them for public viewing, without the balance of the positive statements. We can give you a bigoted statement for every positive statement, and still have some left over, if you are game. Remember, there are more critics of the BoM here than there are lovers of it. Should be fun. Want me to start a new thread on it? 😃

Oh, just to be fair, plagiarisms from the Bible won’t be allowed.
 
Do you really want me to make a list of the bigoted statements in the BoM? We could do a study on it, but I know you really don’t want us to list them for public viewing, without the balance of the positive statements. We can give you a bigoted statement for every positive statement, and still have some left over, if you are game. Remember, there are more critics of the BoM here than there are lovers of it. Should be fun. Want me to start a new thread on it? 😃

Oh, just to be fair, plagiarisms from the Bible won’t be allowed.
Oh my, this sounds just like the argument of atheists that talk about “bigoted” statements in the Bible, among other things. Very interesting argument you have there (your “plagiarisms from the Bible won’t be allowed” statement also shows that you know that your “exercise” also applies to the Bible).
 
Anna Scott,
You had written about “feeling sick”. That would be a condition of “forced behavior.” Of course you don’t want to “feel sick.” So if you “feel sick”, then you do something in a reactive way–in this case, you evidently assumed reading the Book of Mormon was making you “feel sick” so you stopped reading it and evidently felt you needed to “repent” from having read it or having joined the LDS church, (not sure what you were repenting of when you had the experience “on the floor”).

Why in the world God would make a person feel they needed to repent for reading a book that talks about Christ and shows that Christ was loving and guiding more people on earth than the Jews near Jerusalem, during the period 600 BC to 400 AD, is beyond me. God does not prohibit exploration. The Old Testament is full of references that the Jews would be scattered across the world, and that God still loved them even though they were being scattered.

Repentance is for “sins”, and sincerely searching for one’s way in life is not sinful, ever. So, again, there were several expressions in what you wrote that were showing a condition of forced behavior, which God does not do.

Christ would not “carry the penitent on His back” under the condition you described. There was nothing going on, unless you didn’t describe something else that was happening in your life, to be “penitent” about. God allows free will and choice, including the free will and choice to read a book and figure out for ourselves whether it shows the “fruits” of living the gospel–but “darkness” or “feeling sick” can easily be brought into our minds and bodies by the fallen spirits who desire to control and force behavior. We then have to decide whether we are able to rule over them, or we allow them to rule over us in the sense of letting them control our choices.
Parker,

I had to repent for embracing a false gospel. I really didn’t expect you to understand. Just stating my experience.

Anna
 
Oh my, this sounds just like the argument of atheists that talk about “bigoted” statements in the Bible, among other things. Very interesting argument you have there (your “plagiarisms from the Bible won’t be allowed” statement also shows that you know that your “exercise” also applies to the Bible).
Well, we can make this a four-column game, then. I predict that the Bible will stack up well against the BoM.
 
Well, we can make this a four-column game, then. I predict that the Bible will stack up well against the BoM.
And the purpose of that would be…? Again, you’ve already implied that you’re aware of “bigoted” statements in the Bible. Now, let’s entertain your view that the Book of Mormon has more “bigoted” statements than the Bible. Yet, the Bible still has “bigoted” statements (from your implication). What have we learned? More, or less, “bigoted” statements proves what exactly? Should we then we listening to what the atheists have to say about the Bible being bigoted as well, because they say so?
 
Well, then we have a different perspective. That might not work so well. You believe that the BoM is an ancient record, we do not. We all believe that the Bible is an ancient record. Mortal and imperfect man’s understanding of God has changed through the centuries, even present-day Jews understand God differently than OT Jews. (although the BoM copies the OT understanding of God)

Perhaps you can accept it if we say material plagiarized from the Bible is allowable, but the OT is off limits. We can compare only the NT with the BoM.

If you are game, I will ask the mods if we can do this.
 
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