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GaryTaylor
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War of religion and the influence they have over countrys will be the final conflict IMHO. Its also worth noting that anyone who doesn’t follow Jesus Christ as Savior is Antichrist.
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Pax_in_Veritate
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Speculating on who or what is the anti-christ is borderline sinful. Its like the people who mockingly called Jesus Christ a charlatan or the King of the Jews and then proceeded to crucify him. Barack Obama, the EU, the USSR, NAFTA, George Bush, King George III, whoever. It’s not a healthy speculation.
Only god knows and I find it likely that Revelation represents a spiritual type of event, not physical, in my opinion.
I know people obsess over it, but in my experience, the Catholic Church really doesn’t take a firm stance on the issue. Correct me if I am wrong.
Peace.
Only god knows and I find it likely that Revelation represents a spiritual type of event, not physical, in my opinion.
I know people obsess over it, but in my experience, the Catholic Church really doesn’t take a firm stance on the issue. Correct me if I am wrong.
Peace.
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1stOrderKoC
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My theory about the anti-christ. Well I see it as anyone that does not follow the Lord and turns to evil for whatever means is the anti-christ.
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panner
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My theory is the partial Preterist one
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GaryTaylor
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Pax_in_Veritate
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Thank you for the link. I don’t see where it condones speculation, and I still abide by my statement.
St. Thomas Aquinas said in Summa Theologica, “[t]herefore the knowledge of the end of the world is fittingly reserved for god alone. 'It is not for you to know the times or moments which the father hath put in his own power…” Acts I. 7
Augustine said that the bible is so unclear on the last days in part because even Peter spoke of the “last days” as the days were the last days of the apostles, literally. He went on to say that persecutions during the early church were severe, because people thought the last days were approaching. To him, the speculation was wrong, futile, and HARMFUL.
Be prepared, but do not speculate as to when and whom. Wait for the Lord.
There is no discernible truth in a statements such as “Obama is the anti-Christ” or “we are in the last days.”
St. Thomas Aquinas said in Summa Theologica, “[t]herefore the knowledge of the end of the world is fittingly reserved for god alone. 'It is not for you to know the times or moments which the father hath put in his own power…” Acts I. 7
Augustine said that the bible is so unclear on the last days in part because even Peter spoke of the “last days” as the days were the last days of the apostles, literally. He went on to say that persecutions during the early church were severe, because people thought the last days were approaching. To him, the speculation was wrong, futile, and HARMFUL.
Be prepared, but do not speculate as to when and whom. Wait for the Lord.
There is no discernible truth in a statements such as “Obama is the anti-Christ” or “we are in the last days.”
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OrdinaryMelkite
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I have it on great authority ( a local nun) that Obama is NOT the anti-Christ.
So we can relax.
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OrdinaryMelkite
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Justin Bieber has just Come Out as being Pro-Life. He is also supposedly a “Christian.” So Maybe He Is NOT Ye Olde Antichrist.
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OrdinaryMelkite
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He is Notradamus’s MABUS. who has been Identified as Everybody from Bush II to Obama to a Combination of Both.
Personally (and Seriously):
Some Prophecy Experts (Catholic and Protestant) have declared The Coming AntiChrist to be Probably a Muslim, most likely from Turkey, which used to be The Seat Of The Islamic Caliphate for Centuries and (as of late) has been Slowly Regressing Into Anti-Democratic Authoritarianism and Islamic Resurgence.
According to These Prophets, The Antichrist will Try To Revive The Caliphate and make Islam The Controlling Religion In The World.
Personally (and Seriously):
Some Prophecy Experts (Catholic and Protestant) have declared The Coming AntiChrist to be Probably a Muslim, most likely from Turkey, which used to be The Seat Of The Islamic Caliphate for Centuries and (as of late) has been Slowly Regressing Into Anti-Democratic Authoritarianism and Islamic Resurgence.
According to These Prophets, The Antichrist will Try To Revive The Caliphate and make Islam The Controlling Religion In The World.
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Aunt_Raven
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The third Jewish temple must be rebuilt on the present site of the Dome of the Rock before we will know who THE definitive antichrist is. Ain’t happened yet, so I’m not getting knickers into a twist.
Is that to say the spirit of the antichrist isn’t alive and well in the post-christian zeitgeist of the society of “Western Civilization”, acting in the political arena with increasingly anti-christian laws in the name of “tolerance”?
–Or in the lands under the sharia tyranny of Islam with increasingly frequent and bloody Christian persecution? Duh, — the question answers itself. . .
No: we shouldn’t speculate on the identity of the antichrist – on the other hand, we are told to “read the signs of the times”; and to that end, each of us should be people of prayer and as St Paul recommended , “ask for the gift of Prophecy” ( to read the signs of the times as they apply to our own lives). It is strange that THIS is the only charism he specifically said each Christian should pray for: --not necessarily know the future like “psychic fortunetellers”. A person of prayer who has the gift of prophecy should be able read the signs of the times in the morning newspapers or the evening news on TV, --and prepare accordingly; even if those around him can’t see the forest for the trees. Just call it “inspired common sense”.
If you want to be certain you are a person of prayer, – ask yourself if you LOVE the Mass; the sacraments, especially frequent Confession / reconciliation ; and if you can’t attend Mass as often as you desire, then ask yourself if you say the Rosary regularly? If you don’t, then don’t be surprised if you can’t recognize “the signs of the time” and get bent out of shape by any silly theory about “the latest antichrist” spreading on the internet.
No, we aren’t required to believe in approved apparitions like Fatima. But it makes our spiritual progress a lot harder and slower. We are told to “test the spirits” without haste and with due prudence, --by looking at the fruits of a tree before embracing its teachings. This includes looking at the purity, prudence, personal holiness, humility and obedience to the church (both teaching and magisterium) of the purveyor of any “Divine message”. And by conversions and increased closeness to the Church by the people who embrace it. If a message is divisive and disobedient; causes dissention and factions, then it is not of God, but of the devil “who can appear as an angel of light” and “who can quote scripture to his own purposes.”
By this test, Mohammed, Martin Luther, and Henry VIII fail; Bernadette of Lourdes, the Fatima children, and Padre Pio pass. By their fruits ye shall know them; and trust their religious messages accordingly.
Is that to say the spirit of the antichrist isn’t alive and well in the post-christian zeitgeist of the society of “Western Civilization”, acting in the political arena with increasingly anti-christian laws in the name of “tolerance”?
–Or in the lands under the sharia tyranny of Islam with increasingly frequent and bloody Christian persecution? Duh, — the question answers itself. . .
No: we shouldn’t speculate on the identity of the antichrist – on the other hand, we are told to “read the signs of the times”; and to that end, each of us should be people of prayer and as St Paul recommended , “ask for the gift of Prophecy” ( to read the signs of the times as they apply to our own lives). It is strange that THIS is the only charism he specifically said each Christian should pray for: --not necessarily know the future like “psychic fortunetellers”. A person of prayer who has the gift of prophecy should be able read the signs of the times in the morning newspapers or the evening news on TV, --and prepare accordingly; even if those around him can’t see the forest for the trees. Just call it “inspired common sense”.
If you want to be certain you are a person of prayer, – ask yourself if you LOVE the Mass; the sacraments, especially frequent Confession / reconciliation ; and if you can’t attend Mass as often as you desire, then ask yourself if you say the Rosary regularly? If you don’t, then don’t be surprised if you can’t recognize “the signs of the time” and get bent out of shape by any silly theory about “the latest antichrist” spreading on the internet.
No, we aren’t required to believe in approved apparitions like Fatima. But it makes our spiritual progress a lot harder and slower. We are told to “test the spirits” without haste and with due prudence, --by looking at the fruits of a tree before embracing its teachings. This includes looking at the purity, prudence, personal holiness, humility and obedience to the church (both teaching and magisterium) of the purveyor of any “Divine message”. And by conversions and increased closeness to the Church by the people who embrace it. If a message is divisive and disobedient; causes dissention and factions, then it is not of God, but of the devil “who can appear as an angel of light” and “who can quote scripture to his own purposes.”
By this test, Mohammed, Martin Luther, and Henry VIII fail; Bernadette of Lourdes, the Fatima children, and Padre Pio pass. By their fruits ye shall know them; and trust their religious messages accordingly.
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rinnie
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I can agree with you on that 100%. First of all the anti-Christ is supposed to be great at answering questions and fooling people to begin with. I never heard him actually answer a question, alone fool usI have it on great authority ( a local nun) that Obama is NOT the anti-Christ.
So we can relax.
Second he is to be a beautiful, well lets say he is not what I would even call handsome.
Sorry but its how I feel.But back to the question I feel the anti-Christ will appear someday. He is actually here already and is alive in all who do evil and ignore the word of God. But remember what the bible says, he will fool many, but God’s people will not be fooled by him.
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ryanoneil
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God’s people, Jew and Gentile as a new creation in Christ, is the Third Temple (with Christ as the cornerstone). This spiritual house built of living stones doesn’t exclude the possibility that an architectural house will be rebuilt, and there will be a final fulfillment of scripture involving it. But a Third Temple in Israel is not necessary for scripture to be fulfilled. The Temple’s trampeling (Rev 11:2) was already fulfilled in the Second Temple. God’s people on the otherhand will have to endure and pass through a final assult by the Antichrist.
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benidict
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This is interesting. Look what is happening in the Middle east as we speak. What is the goal of those who are overthrowing the existing powers here? Not saying I agree with this scenario, but…He is Notradamus’s MABUS. who has been Identified as Everybody from Bush II to Obama to a Combination of Both.
Personally (and Seriously):
Some Prophecy Experts (Catholic and Protestant) have declared The Coming AntiChrist to be Probably a Muslim, most likely from Turkey, which used to be The Seat Of The Islamic Caliphate for Centuries and (as of late) has been Slowly Regressing Into Anti-Democratic Authoritarianism and Islamic Resurgence.
According to These Prophets, The Antichrist will Try To Revive The Caliphate and make Islam The Controlling Religion In The World.
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FaithJoy
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Prophecy of the twelfth Imam/Mahdi:
- Will kill Christians and Jews
2.Rules for 7 years
3.Makes peace with Israel,then breaks it. - Global seat…The Temple Mount
- Beheads nonbelievers in this case Christians and Jews
- A literal beast comes out of the earth and marks faces of followers of the Imam.
- The prophet Jesus will come back and tell Christians that they got it all wrong.
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menofstjoseph
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I really think you are on to somrthing there. Not saying that all those who don’t partake in the Eucharist are the antichrist but it certainly is a passage meant to focus on those who KNOWINGLY turn their backs on Christ and the concept of the Eucharist.
Is that a coincidence that passage is 6:66?
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Aunt_Raven
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I’m not saying any of the previous postings are wrong, --they may very well be right; however there are speculations from early Church fathers that the anti-christ will mislead a vast number of Jews into thinking that he is the Messiah – in which case he must be either a Jew (possibly from the tribe of Dan) or masquerading as one (while others think he is Muslim? He will be clever enough to pull this off, if necessary to his rise);
However, Daniel 11:37-38 says the anti-christ will “worship the god of fortresses, a god unknown to his ancestors, and lavish on worship of this god, gold, silver, and treasure” when the anti-christ comes into his full power. Additionally, he will demand divine worship for himself, – which will surely alienate any remaining Muslims who worship Allah. Go figure.
If you google for the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia and find the alphabetic entry for “Anti-christ”, there is an impressive and complete historical summary of theories of Catholic and Protestant thinkers and theologians through the ages re how the anti-christ may be identified.
However the most interesting part of the article is near the end, when Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman examines and logically shows which theories are probable, and which misguided. It’s worth a look; – but read it slowly, because it’s a dense synthesis of every concept examined in this thread so far, and more besides. Go see for yourselves. :coffeeread:
However, Daniel 11:37-38 says the anti-christ will “worship the god of fortresses, a god unknown to his ancestors, and lavish on worship of this god, gold, silver, and treasure” when the anti-christ comes into his full power. Additionally, he will demand divine worship for himself, – which will surely alienate any remaining Muslims who worship Allah. Go figure.
If you google for the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia and find the alphabetic entry for “Anti-christ”, there is an impressive and complete historical summary of theories of Catholic and Protestant thinkers and theologians through the ages re how the anti-christ may be identified.
However the most interesting part of the article is near the end, when Blessed Cardinal John Henry Newman examines and logically shows which theories are probable, and which misguided. It’s worth a look; – but read it slowly, because it’s a dense synthesis of every concept examined in this thread so far, and more besides. Go see for yourselves. :coffeeread:
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ryanoneil
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From the historic perspective of initial fulfillment, allegience to Nero (as a God) is taking the mark on the head, and offering the sacrifice to him is taking the mark on the hand. Not taking the mark and sticking to one’s faith gave believers God’s mark, but often at the price of death. Nero was the political sea beast and the false prophet/land beast was the established Jewish leadership of the time who were in league with him for their own religious and political life.
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GaryTaylor
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What did Isaiah say?This is interesting. Look what is happening in the Middle east as we speak. What is the goal of those who are overthrowing the existing powers here? Not saying I agree with this scenario, but…
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness”
Zechariah?
“It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.”
Why must the Jews be killed? Continue to ask yourself that, and if theres an answer beside “mankinds history” is the war of good and evil. Then I am missing something.
Is the Catholic Church not being called evil today? Wow is all I could say. Frightening real is what Gods word and His Prophets are.
Got me on bended knee Praying.
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Aunt_Raven
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"–What did Isaiah say?
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness!” –
— Culturally, this the politically-correct manifestation of the “Sin against the Holy Spirit” – and as has been noted before this, --our society approves as ‘normal’ sins worse than those of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Sins against nature (perversion; abortion; euthanasia; etc. ) call out --with the voice of nature-- to God for redress: so this is why I am not at all surprised at an increase of earthquakes, droughts, floods, wildfires, famines, epidemics, worldwide. Call it “climate change”, if you like. . . . along with “. . . wars and rumors of wars;” --yes, the good will suffer along with the bad: but this is what we must expect. The wise person must be prepared to meet his maker with a clear conscience. One can have the grace of a happy death with a peaceful heart, even though death be sudden and/or violent: for with God, nothing is impossible.
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness!” –
— Culturally, this the politically-correct manifestation of the “Sin against the Holy Spirit” – and as has been noted before this, --our society approves as ‘normal’ sins worse than those of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Sins against nature (perversion; abortion; euthanasia; etc. ) call out --with the voice of nature-- to God for redress: so this is why I am not at all surprised at an increase of earthquakes, droughts, floods, wildfires, famines, epidemics, worldwide. Call it “climate change”, if you like. . . . along with “. . . wars and rumors of wars;” --yes, the good will suffer along with the bad: but this is what we must expect. The wise person must be prepared to meet his maker with a clear conscience. One can have the grace of a happy death with a peaceful heart, even though death be sudden and/or violent: for with God, nothing is impossible.
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Richard_Kastner
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I have heard others say this. What do you base this on?
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