Telling kids the Church allows divorce?

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That’s the thing, I was reading the book yet some parents got offended by either me or someone else since other teachers were reading something similar.
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What catechism series discusses annulments and communion for the divorced and remarried in 1st grade?
 
I think the most we can do is teach our children about a loving marriage between one man and one woman before God and for life. Children will be able to understand and talk about the advantage of parents staying together.

When these children grow up and have children of their own, how would they like their children to grow up?
 
Here is a typical Scope and Sequence for First Grade Catholic Catechism:
Grade 1

Unit One: We Believe (Creed) 1.God Loves Us. Our family; our Church; pray; the Bible; Abraham and Sarah; Jesus; God’s love for us.
2.God Is Our Father and Our Creator. God our Creator; God’s gift of people; God our loving Father.
3.Mary, the Mother of God: A Scripture Story.
4.Jesus Is the Son of God. The Son of God; the birth of Jesus; Bethlehem; the Holy Family; Jerusalem; Jesus in the Temple; respect; loving God and others.
5.The Good Samaritan: A Scripture Story.
6.Jesus Shows God’s Love. The Crucifixion of Jesus; the Resurrection; the Ascension; telling others about Jesus.
7.The Holy Spirit Is Our Helper. The Holy Spirit, our helper; living as children of God; the Holy Trinity; praying to the Holy Spirit.
8.Jesus Gave us the Church. The Church, the People of God; Pentecost; the Catholic Church; worshiping together; saints; heaven; living as a member of the Church.
9.The First Christians Follow Jesus: A Scripture Story.

Unit Two: We Worship (Liturgy and Sacraments) 10.The Church Celebrates All Year. Seasons of the Church’s year; special colors of the Church’s year; Advent; Christmas; Lent; Easter; celebrating God’s love.
11.The Church’s Celebrations. God shares love; the seven sacraments; Baptism; belonging to Christ; the church family; the light of Jesus; living as a follower of Jesus.
12.Come, Follow Jesus: A Scripture Story.
13.We Celebrate at Mass. Mass; gathering as God’s people; listening to God’s Word; the Last Supper; Eucharist; praise and thank God.
14.Jesus Feeds a Crowd: A Scripture Story.

Unit Three: We Live (Christian Morality) 15.We Live as Children of God. Children of God; the gift of life; showing our love for God; praying for others.
16.We Live as a Family. Families; helping one another; sharing God’s love; God’s family; the Holy Family; sharing family love.
17.We Live as a Community. Sharing our gifts; the goodness of laws; vocation; following God’s call; living God’s laws.
18.Moses Leads God’s People: A Scripture Story.
19.We Love God. The Ten Commandments; showing our love for God; the Great Commandment; living God’s commandments.
20.We Love Others. Showing respect for people and things; being truthful.
21.We Love Through Forgiveness. Making choices; sin; asking forgiveness; forgiving others.
22.Jesus and the Children: A Scripture Story.

Unit Four: We Pray (Christian Prayer) 23.We Talk to God. Prayer; listening and talking to God; God listens; Jesus teaches about prayer; praying to God.
24.Jesus Taught His Follows to Pray: A Scripture Story.
25.We Pray in Many Ways. Praying with our voices, bodies, gestures; prayer actions; prayer songs; singing songs to God.
26.Jesus Teaches Us to Pray: A Scripture Story.

Core Scripture Chapters

Mary, the Mother of God. Luke 1:26-38 (Chapter 3)
The Good Samaritan. Luke 10:29-37 (Chapter 5)
The First Christians Follow Jesus. Acts of the Apostles 2:42-47 (Chapter 9)
Come, Follow Jesus. Matthew 28:16-20 (Chapter 12)
Jesus Feeds a Crowd. Luke 9:10-17 (Chapter 14)
Moses Leads God’s People. Exodus 16:4 (Chapter 18)
Jesus and the Children. Mark 10:13-16 (Chapter 22)
Jesus Taught His Followers to Pray. Matthew 6:6-7 (Chapter 24)
Jesus Teaches Us to Pray. Luke 11:1-4 (Chapter 26)

We Celebrate: The Liturgical Year

The Liturgical Year/Ordinary Time.
The Season of Advent. The four Sundays of Advent.
The Season of Christmas. Christmas Day and Epiphany.
The Season of Lent. The five Sundays of Lent.
Holy Week. Palm Sunday of the Lord’s Passion; Triduum: Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Easter.
The Season of Easter. The seven Sundays of Easter and Pentecost.

Catholic Prayers and Practices

Sign of the Cross
Glory Prayer
Prayer to the Holy Spirit
Lord’s Prayer
Hail Mary
Act of Contrition
Apostles’ Creed
Nicene Creed
Rosary
Mysteries of the Rosary
A Vocation Prayer
The Seven Sacraments
Grace before Meals
Grace after Meals
The Great Commandment
The Ten Commandments
Celebrating Mass
The Sacrament of Reconciliation

I can’t fathom what the teachers were reading aloud. They must have been using some other kind of book, and not a typical Parish textbook.
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What book exactly were they given to read to the children?**
 
I don’t have the book with me but they got it from a publishing firm. Many teachers this year don’t like how it’s set up. That’s not the point though, the church is writing up something for us to tell the kids about this.
 
TeachCatechism said:
I don’t have the book with me but they got it from a publishing firm. Many teachers this year don’t like how it’s set up. That’s not the point though, the church is writing up something for us to tell the kids about this.
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All books come from a publishing firm. Something here is off. :ehh:
 
No the book just talks about marriage being a sacrament but there are exceptions to breaking a marriage. The other things are what we have to tell them which someone is a writing.
 
TeachCatechism said:
No the book just talks about marriage being a sacrament but there are exceptions to breaking a marriage. The other things are what we have to tell them which someone is a writing.
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Is the DRE a volunteer?
Who’s deciding that these things need to be “read out” to the kids?
Is this in a group setting? How are the parents involved? Is it whole family catechesis?
The whole thing sounds odd. It just does, sorry.
 
It’s a first grade textbook. If it actually says that, in the kid’s book, the book series needs to be thrown in the trash.

I wonder, however, if the part you are talking about is in the teacher’s background section and was never intended to actually be discussed with the kids. Most teacher’s editions have both, more adult-level background for the catechist and then the lesson for the kids.

You do not have to read everything verbatim from the book.

Please tell us what book this is. We want to know.
 
TeachCatechism said:
That’s not the point though, the church is writing up something for us to tell the kids about this.
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A person in the church is writing up something for you to tell the kids. And if it is inaccurate, or validates unmarried couples or other sorts of arrangements, I would not read it. Period.
 
pianistclare said:
Is the DRE a volunteer?
Who’s deciding that these things need to be “read out” to the kids?
Is this in a group setting? How are the parents involved? Is it whole family catechesis?
The whole thing sounds odd. It just does, sorry.
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1ke said:
A person in the church is writing up something for you to tell the kids. And if it is inaccurate, or validates unmarried couples or other sorts of arrangements, I would not read it. Period.
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The DRE is not a volunteer but tends to be a pushover. For example a few parents through the years offered to help with their kids class, and without asking the teacher has made the parents teachers too, or even made the actual teacher (who usually has done it for years)an assistant to the parent who often doesn’t know what they are doing (and usually quits). This has gotten several teachers upset who put work into the class and see it being changed. So yes a few parents are writing it out or telling her what to tell the kids, which includes that the church has no problem with divorce ever or that unwed parenting is acceptable always and it doesn’t matter if the parents are together. I would rather stick to listing it as a sacrament.
 
Well, I’m not going to get into the content, because in fact, the Church is not going to condemn a person for getting a divorce. In some regrettable cases, it’s necessary for the safety of the family. I still question whether it’s an appropriate discussion for First grade.
Our First graders are busy learning about how much God loves us and the importance of the Mass and learning their prayers. I can’t imagine having the time to get into relationships other than “God and family”.

BUT… all of those teachers should be educated and certified in catechesis.
THIS is what you go to the Pastor with. That all teachers need certification and training.
I’ll bet he has no idea that she’s just getting warm bodies to be in the classes.
So many people do not want to teach RE. It’s a problem, but you don’t take people who are just place-holding for a real teacher.
The kids deserve better. Demand excellence. And, for sure, ask for an approved curriculum.

As 1ke says, if they insist you use materials that are contrary to what the Church teaches, I would just quit volunteering. Don’t be a party to misinformation.
 
I am certified, in fact I am a certified teacher as well, though right now don’t teach kids professionally. Many of those teaching aren’t teachers of any sort, many are the parents. I would never condemn anyone for getting a divorce, epecially kids, likewise don’t like to talk about the topic with kids except in the sacrament. We have standards we have to uphold, which I do but a few others don’t.
 
TeachCatechism said:
I am certified, in fact I am a certified teacher as well, though right now don’t teach kids professionally. Many of those teaching aren’t teachers of any sort, many are the parents. I would never condemn anyone for getting a divorce, epecially kids, likewise don’t like to talk about the topic with kids except in the sacrament. We have standards we have to uphold, which I do but a few others don’t.
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So, a visit with the Pastor and DRE is in order.
 
Another teacher spoke to her and she said she doesn’t like it either but it was told to her.
 
Baltimore Catechism No. 1 (For First Communion Classes) has only these on matrimony, sixth, and ninth commandments:282. Q. What is the Sacrament of Matrimony?
A. The Sacrament of Matrimony is the Sacrament which unites a Christian man and woman in lawful marriage.
  1. Q. Which are the effects of the Sacrament of Matrimony?
    A. The effects of the Sacrament of Matrimony are:
    1st, to sanctify the love of husband and wife;
    2d, to give them grace to bear with each other’s weaknesses;
    3d, to enable them to bring up their children in the fear and love of God.
    [*]Q. To receive the Sacrament of matrimony worthily is it necessary to be in the state of grace?
    A. To receive the Sacrament of Matrimony worthily it is necessary to be in the state of grace, and it is necessary also to comply with the laws of the Church.
    [*]Q. What is the sixth Commandment?
    A. The sixth Commandment is: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    [*]Q. What are we commanded by the sixth Commandment?
    A. We are commanded by the sixth Commandment to be pure in thought and modest in all our looks, words, and actions.
    [*]Q. What is forbidden by the sixth Commandment?
    A. The sixth commandment forbids all unchaste freedom with another’s wife or husband; also all immodesty with ourselves or others in looks, dress, words, or actions.
    [*]Q. Does the sixth Commandment forbid the reading of bad and immodest books and newspapers?
    A. The sixth Commandment does forbid the reading of bad and immodest books and newspapers.
    [*]Q. What is the ninth Commandment?
    A. The ninth Commandment is: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.
    [*]Q. What are we commanded by the ninth Commandment?
    A. We are commanded by the ninth Commandment to keep ourselves pure in thought and desire.
    [*]Q. What is forbidden by the ninth Commandment?
    A. The ninth Commandment forbids unchaste thoughts, desires of another’s wife or husband, and all other unlawful impure thoughts and desires.
    ​

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Be prepared, sometimes, for puberty at age 7.

From CNN in 2010:Black and Hispanic girls continue to mature faster than white girls, on average. Nearly one-quarter of black girls and 15 percent of Hispanic girls had entered puberty by age 7, according to the new study, which appears in the journal Pediatrics.
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Between 2004 and 2006, Biro and his co-authors assessed the breast development of more than 1,200 girls ages 6 to 8 in three major U.S. cities (New York, Cincinnati, and San Francisco). The stage of development in which a girl’s breasts begin to “bud” is considered the onset of puberty, not her first menstrual cycle.

The average age of the first period has declined as well, says Nickel. “Girls used to get their first menstrual period at 14 or 15,” she says, but now the average is closer to 12.

cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/08/09/girls.starting.puberty.early/American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) – 2012
Data from this same PROS network was used in a large study that in 1997 showed US girls were reaching puberty earlier. Parents and Doctors Need to Know
The data for this latest study covers more than 4,100 boys, and was recorded by 212 pediatricians carrying out well-child care in 144 practices in 41 states.
Across three ethnic groups, pediatricians recorded the earliest stage of puberty as 10.14 years in non-Hispanic white boys, 9.14 years in non-Hispanic African American boys and 10.4 years in Hispanic boys.
medicalnewstoday.com/articles/251762.php
 
This is what I find truly baffling and frustrating.

The Church has developed, through the centuries with the best theological minds, an interlocking theology where everything fits together and makes sense. Its all complicated but well thought out.

Then, at the point of sale, if you will, they let any parent who wants to, any DRE with an opinion, teach little children anything they want.

:confused:It makes no sense.
 
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