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Question, do you think even after confession we’ll have to go to purgatory if we don’t have enough indulgences to take care of our temporal punishment owed?? After reading Sr. Faustina’s visions of purgatory I’m scared of even purgatory! This is from another answer i found on Catholic Answers
“The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” (Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, emphasis added). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.”

So this makes it sound like you go to confession to get forgiven then you still have to do time in purgatory if you haven’t done enough indulgences. Or am I reading it wrong?
 
Mortal sins produce both eternal punishment (hell) and temporal punishment while venial sins only have temporal punishment. When we go to confession the eternal punishment is removed yet the temporal punishment still remains.
So this makes it sound like you go to confession to get forgiven then you still have to do time in purgatory if you haven’t done enough indulgences. Or am I reading it wrong?
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To answer your question, yes you are correct.
 
Formal indulgences, per se, are not the only way to be purified. Hebrews 12 speaks of God’s chastisement of His children for the sake of their holiness. Suffering itself, if one responds to it in a holy manner, can purify the soul. Don’t get too hung up on strict “volume” or a mathematical measurement on indulgences. Acts of love themselves purify us and draw us away from sin. Ultimately, a soul will need purgation if the soul retains certain blemishes and attachments to sin.

Also, although St. Faustina’s text is not something dogmatic in which you must believe, there is also St. Catherine of Genoa’s treatise on purgatory which Pope Benedict himself praised. If I recall correctly, in St. Catherine’s text, it speaks of a simultaneous suffering along with the ultimate joy knowing that a soul will spend eternity with the Divine.
 
Sara1976 said:
Question, do you think even after confession we’ll have to go to purgatory if we don’t have enough indulgences to take care of our temporal punishment owed?? After reading Sr. Faustina’s visions of purgatory I’m scared of even purgatory! This is from another answer i found on Catholic Answers
“The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” (Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, emphasis added). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.”

So this makes it sound like you go to confession to get forgiven then you still have to do time in purgatory if you haven’t done enough indulgences. Or am I reading it wrong?
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Sara, I don’t know how it is for you but with me I know that I struggle constantly to not sin.
I try very hard but it is soo easy to slip and fall again.
I thank God that he gave us the wonderfull sacrament of reconciliation to repair the damage done by me.
the purgation (process or place, it does not matter) removes this tendency we have to sin “attachment to sin”.
It makes us Holy AND worthy to enter the presence of God.
Remember “Nothing imperfect can enter Heaven”
So yes it probably WILL hurt.

I don’t know how it is with you, but whenever I go to the doctor to fix something with my body there is always some pain attached.
Why do you think that fixing your soul of this illness “attachment to sin” will be different.
NOW, I go to the doctor with the HOPE I will be better.
Would not you go through purgatory KNOWING that at the end GOD is waiting for you?

I hope this helps you, to ally your fears, I will pray that you do NOT need to have anything purged when the time comes. Please pray for me also. I know I’ll need it. 😊

God Bless and Peace 👍
 
JerryZ said:
Sara, I don’t know how it is for you but with me I know that I struggle constantly to not sin.
I try very hard but it is soo easy to slip and fall again.
I thank God that he gave us the wonderfull sacrament of reconciliation to repair the damage done by me.
the purgation (process or place, it does not matter) removes this tendency we have to sin “attachment to sin”.
It makes us Holy AND worthy to enter the presence of God.
Remember “Nothing imperfect can enter Heaven”
So yes it probably WILL hurt.

I don’t know how it is with you, but whenever I go to the doctor to fix something with my body there is always some pain attached.
Why do you think that fixing your soul of this illness “attachment to sin” will be different.
NOW, I go to the doctor with the HOPE I will be better.
Would not you go through purgatory KNOWING that at the end GOD is waiting for you?

I hope this helps you, to ally your fears, I will pray that you do NOT need to have anything purged when the time comes. Please pray for me also. I know I’ll need it. 😊

God Bless and Peace 👍
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👍 Peace, Carlan
 
MarcoPolo said:
Formal indulgences, per se, are not the only way to be purified. Hebrews 12 speaks of God’s chastisement of His children for the sake of their holiness. Suffering itself, if one responds to it in a holy manner, can purify the soul. Don’t get too hung up on strict “volume” or a mathematical measurement on indulgences. Acts of love themselves purify us and draw us away from sin. Ultimately, a soul will need purgation if the soul retains certain blemishes and attachments to sin.

Also, although St. Faustina’s text is not something dogmatic in which you must believe, there is also St. Catherine of Genoa’s treatise on purgatory which Pope Benedict himself praised. If I recall correctly, in St. Catherine’s text, it speaks of a simultaneous suffering along with the ultimate joy knowing that a soul will spend eternity with the Divine.
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Thank you, I always watch for the Truth you post:thumbsup: Peace, Carlan
 
The Jesus I know is one of love and mercy - bringing forgiveness in place of punishment.

But, I can imagine facing up to all that we are, against the perfection of Jesus, is bound to bring some pain. Sanctification is bound to involve seeing ourselves as we really are, as painful as that may be (perhaps a little like Scrooge in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol). Jesus, it seems, did allow and use the chastisement of confronting people with the truth of what they were like.

But I trust Jesus to have born all my iniquities (1 Peter 2:24, Isaiah 53:5). I believe scripture teaches that in Jesus there is no more punishment, though sanctification may still carry pain, as Peter would have experienced as the cock crowed and our Lord looked, in silence, at him (a look that must have caused much pain for Peter, though it be a look of love and mercy).

I would say trust in the love and mercy of Jesus, but be open to the pain of growth and sanctification.

God bless +

Michael
 
Oh my goodness, thank you all for your responses. I’m new to this site and was tearing reading these. My goal is to get into the kingdom but then I go through my day forgetting about it and being the selfish, etc. Which I know is human. I had asked a friend of mine that I feel knows a lot and she didn’t think any of this was true, like she thought confession took away all the sin and any cleansing needed. Although it seems like an upward battle I will trust in his love and mercy and keep on keeping on! 🙂 Oh and I read how a perfect contrition is out of love for God and not out of fear of him or fear of pain or punishment… another chalk against me… I guess I just have a long way to go! As I typed this a pretty cardinal just landed on the wire outside my window and I’m reminded of God’s love… Thanks again and I hope you all have a very blessed day!
 
marty1818 said:
When we go to confession the eternal punishment is removed yet the temporal punishment still remains.
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Actually, *some *of the temporal punishment is removed in Confession, as also in Holy Communion, the more so the greater our contrition is.

That is one reason to confess frequently, and also to make a General Confession of Devotion on a regular basis (say, once a year), in case one did not have sufficient contrition for past sins. But these practices are by no means required, and in fact may be discouraged in the case of scrupulous persons.
 
MarcoPolo said:
Formal indulgences, per se, are not the only way to be purified. Hebrews 12 speaks of God’s chastisement of His children for the sake of their holiness. Suffering itself, if one responds to it in a holy manner, can purify the soul. Don’t get too hung up on strict “volume” or a mathematical measurement on indulgences. Acts of love themselves purify us and draw us away from sin. Ultimately, a soul will need purgation if the soul retains certain blemishes and attachments to sin.
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Just to add to what Marco said, indulgences are the application of these purifying acts done by Christ, Mary, and all the Saints, who have done them above and beyond what was necessary to purify their own sins (if any). Since we are all members of one Body, we can share in each others merits and it has been given to the Pope and bishops of the Church to administer them.
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MarcoPolo:
Also, although St. Faustina’s text is not something dogmatic in which you must believe, there is also St. Catherine of Genoa’s treatise on purgatory which Pope Benedict himself praised. If I recall correctly, in St. Catherine’s text, it speaks of a simultaneous suffering along with the ultimate joy knowing that a soul will spend eternity with the Divine.
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Yes, this was also in par. 47 of the encyclical Spe Salvi.

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20071130_spe-salvi_en.html
 
Sara1976 said:
Question, do you think even after confession we’ll have to go to purgatory if we don’t have enough indulgences to take care of our temporal punishment owed?? After reading Sr. Faustina’s visions of purgatory I’m scared of even purgatory! This is from another answer i found on Catholic Answers
“The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” (Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, emphasis added). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.”

So this makes it sound like you go to confession to get forgiven then you still have to do time in purgatory if you haven’t done enough indulgences. Or am I reading it wrong?
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It won’t bother me. If I die and find myself in Purgatory it means I have been saved and my only destination thereafter is Heaven.
The suffering in Purgatory (purifying) is not equal to the suffering in Hell (punishment).
 
thistle said:
It won’t bother me. If I die and find myself in Purgatory it means I have been saved and my only destination thereafter is Heaven.
The suffering in Purgatory (purifying) is not equal to the suffering in Hell (punishment).
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I tend to agree, or I try to agree, in my better moments. Purgatory is not eternal. Plus, it cleanses us of all traces of sin; don’t we want to go into Heaven spotless? 🙂

For this reason, I have been trying to make at least one if not two confessions per month.
 
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