Terrorism Is Alien to Islam

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PPatience said:
Terrorism and extremism are alien to Islam.
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Piffle, I say; and again I say, piffle. Violence is to Islam as Bible-thumping is to Southern Baptists. How else do you suppose the Prophet took over the Arabic Peninsula in so short a time? How do you suppose the Ottoman Empire spread to effectively? Why do you suppose the expression “Islam’s bloody borders” got into the language?

I refuse to believe such hogwash save upon seeing someone impersonating Mohammad in public at high noon on Friday in Mecca, smeared with pig excrement and drenched in rum, and having ABSOLUTLEY NO ONE pay any attention to him.
 
The goal of any Muslim Terrorist is world domination and the conversion and submission of all non-Muslims to Islam… they use violence, murder, mayhem and any means of force to attain their goal. It is the goal that we must keep in mind… it is evil.

The goal of any true-to-the-Koran Muslim - non-Terrorist - is world domination and the conversion and submission of all non-Muslims to Islam… they use silence, daily prayer, and indoctrination of their own into the Koran. It is the goal that we must keep in mind…

Like the Holy Father quoted… the new ideas introduced by Muhammed are violent and evil.

I can only pray that our Muslim brothers (we all have Abraham as a father) will some day love their own children (the source of many suicide bombers) more than they will hate Christians, Jews, and others who strongly renouce their theology.

Terrorism is NOT alien to Islam.

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There is not even religious freedom in many muslim countries. Islam is a dictatorial, brutally oppressive (especially for women) and violent religion.

Take Saudi Arabia. The government says they allow religious freedom. However, it is forbidden for non-muslims to worship in public. The law says it can be done only in private but they have not defined what private means. Christians who got together to worship in their private appartments were prosecuted and jailed. I really wonder then what private means.
 
:rotfl: :rolleyes: Terrorism Is Alien to Islam?

Riiiiiiiight…
so iguess it IS just a coincidence that Al Qaeda, hezbollah, jemaah islamiyah, MILF, Abu Sayyaf, Plo happen to BE Muslims.
 
What a thread.

Notice something:

The Muslim who opened this thread says terrorism is condemned by Islam.

The only people in the entire thread, and on the whole forum, saying that terrorism is not condemned by Islam are non-Muslims.

Ask yourselves: Which camp is more likely to know what Islam really teaches?
 
Pro, et al Islamic apologists: You engage in a defense of Islam armed with the pretext of knowledge and your sincerity masks fallacy (which i have seen in other of your posts). It is too burdensome to disabuse you of your sincerely held misperceptions.

On the borders and within the borders of almost every Moslem country there is murder, persecution, corruption, and intolerance in the name of Allah. Turkey, a so-called moderate country, barely tolerates ethnic minorities, let alone Christian ethnic minorities—and that is the best which Islam has to offer in terms of self governance. But my point is not to argue with you and others—instead I make only an observation about your refusal to accept what is reality. You argue by proclaiming as a rule Islamic tolerance, but it is not a rule; it is an exception. In turn, you proclaim as a rule Christian intolerance which is in fact an exception. Finally, in arguing what you hold as the rules, you steadfasly ignore reality: the reality is that Islam’s pursuit of jihad, it’s intolerance of other religions, is institutionalized. Christianity’s “intolerance” is not scriptural. You have an uphill battle in your arguments which I can only hope you lose in persuading anyone as to your point of view—an intolerance in its own right.
 
pro_universal said:
What a thread.

Notice something:

The Muslim who opened this thread says terrorism is condemned by Islam.

The only people in the entire thread, and on the whole forum, saying that terrorism is not condemned by Islam are non-Muslims.

Ask yourselves: Which camp is more likely to know what Islam really teaches?
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The families who have had innocent relatives and friends brutally murdered by muslims!!!
 
cthemfly25 said:
Pro, et al Islamic apologists: You engage in a defense of Islam armed with the pretext of knowledge and your sincerity masks fallacy (which i have seen in other of your posts). It is too burdensome to disabuse you of your sincerely held misperceptions.
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Apparently it is more burdensome to add to the debate than to use a thesaurus.
On the borders and within the borders of almost every Moslem country there is murder, persecution, corruption, and intolerance in the name of Allah.
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Where is the religious murder in the name of Allah in Qatar? How about the UAE? Or Kuwait? How about Kazakhstan? Uzbekistan?
Turkey, a so-called moderate country, barely tolerates ethnic minorities, let alone Christian ethnic minorities—and that is the best which Islam has to offer in terms of self governance.
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If you knew anything about Turkey, you would know that this is precisely because of its secular identity. Kemalism demands a Turkey that is for Turks and Turkish culture, and strictly demands that religion be de-emphasized. Turkey is not an Islamic country, and many of its government’s policies are anti-Islamic…so you’re going to have a tough time blaming that on Islam.
the reality is that Islam’s pursuit of jihad, it’s intolerance of other religions, is institutionalized. Christianity’s “intolerance” is not scriptural. You have an uphill battle in your arguments which I can only hope you lose in persuading anyone as to your point of view—an intolerance in its own right.
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Yes, it’s obvious: Christianity just wasn’t discovered until 1948, after world war II. Before that, all those intolerant people were not actually Christians. No one actually read the bible, it seems, until modern European states instituted secular policies on religious freedom.

The reality is that you amazingly managed to write a post that was longer than two sentences without saying a single true thing.
 
thistle said:
The families who have had innocent relatives and friends brutally murdered by muslims!!!
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Yeah, because being a victim of a crime automatically teaches you everything about the culture from which the criminal came.

Brilliant logic. I guess the best people to ask about blacks in America are victims of muggings committed by black offenders, right?
 
Yes, it’s obvious: Christianity just wasn’t discovered until 1948, after world war II. Before that, all those intolerant people were not actually Christians. No one actually read the bible, it seems, until modern European states instituted secular policies on religious freedom.

The reality is that you amazingly managed to write a post that was longer than two sentences without saying a single true thing.

Pro—you do not disappoint in your breathtaking defense of the indefensible. As I told you, I did not post to engage you in debate. I take no pleasure in beating a zealot burdened with hate and misinformation. Besides, you do quite well in revealing the truths of Islam on your own. Keep up the good work.
 
pro-universal:
Yes, it’s obvious: Christianity just wasn’t discovered until 1948, after world war II. Before that, all those intolerant people were not actually Christians. No one actually read the bible, it seems, until modern European states instituted secular policies on religious freedom.

The reality is that you amazingly managed to write a post that was longer than two sentences without saying a single true thing.
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Pro—you do not disappoint in your breathtaking defense of the indefensible. As I told you, I did not post to engage you in debate. I take no pleasure in beating a zealot burdened with hate and misinformation. Besides, you do quite well in revealing the truths of Islam on your own. Keep up the good work.
 
well i say, assess the founder of Islam, Muhammad. We were taught about the “reasons” he committed such or such thing, but we were not taught about the things he did for a lame reason or for no reason other than his wishes to spread his cult.These things are read behind the cheikhs’ back and they speak much.Muhammad himself was a terrorist.No body ever asks if Jesus is a terrorist but millions consider Muhammad one. I say there is no equivocation in truth.
 
cthemfly25 said:
Pro—you do not disappoint in your breathtaking defense of the indefensible. As I told you, I did not post to engage you in debate. I take no pleasure in beating a zealot burdened with hate and misinformation. Besides, you do quite well in revealing the truths of Islam on your own. Keep up the good work.
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I plan on it. One of the things I’m working against is the unreasoned presumption that Islam is “indefensible.” The complete and total lack of an argument in your posts is a nice testament in favor of my position.
 
pro_universal said:
The complete and total lack of an argument in your posts is a nice testament in favor of my position.
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That is because I see nothing worth arguing with you (to repeat myself). Fantasies dressed as facts presented by unreasonable advocates are not my cup of tea. In any event, I am glad to have been of service to your cause. Given your haughtiness, I am admitting to a faint sense of satisfaction in watching the self immolation of your cause…so please continue. As i sense that it is quickly becoming personal, I will discontinue and yield the field of advocacy to your superior “knowledge” of all thing Islam and Christian. :rolleyes:
 
pro_universal said:
Yeah, because being a victim of a crime automatically teaches you everything about the culture from which the criminal came.

Brilliant logic. I guess the best people to ask about blacks in America are victims of muggings committed by black offenders, right?
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Is that a racist remark? Are you implying that muggings are only carried out by African Americans?
 
anyone can google “Muhammad the terrorist”…you’ll find plenty of sites quoting Quran, Ahadiths, ans Life of Muhammad. If Muhammad was CLEARLY no terrorist, you wouldn’t find millions considering him one after reading what he’s done just like you find NONE who ever said Jesus is a terrorist. Muhammad’s actions speak loud. Isn’t it strange that millions consider him a terrorist if , in fact, he was a prophet of “peace”? i mean, if muhammad was a prophet of peace, then Jesus was God’s peace.
 
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions ) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians ) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued . (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29.”
(Commentary in parenthesis is from the Tafsir Al-Jalalein. i.e., Al-Jalalein’s Interpretation of the Koran.)

anyone who claims this to be a peace message is lying to himself before lying to others.
 
THEKING said:
anyone can google “Muhammad the terrorist”…you’ll find plenty of sites quoting Quran, Ahadiths, ans Life of Muhammad. If Muhammad was CLEARLY no terrorist, you wouldn’t find millions considering him one after reading what he’s done just like you find NONE who ever said Jesus is a terrorist. Muhammad’s actions speak loud. Isn’t it strange that millions consider him a terrorist if , in fact, he was a prophet of “peace”? i mean, if muhammad was a prophet of peace, then Jesus was God’s peace.
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How many google hits does “Priest child molestor” generate?

Would you consider this to be a good indicator of Catholic teaching on child molestation?

If not, why would you consider the same sort of evidence to prove something about Islam?
 
pro_universal said:
How many google hits does “Priest child molestor” generate?

Would you consider this to be a good indicator of Catholic teaching on child molestation?

If not, why would you consider the same sort of evidence to prove something about Islam?
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the priests did it indeed and that’s why you find proof, the same proof you find for Muhammad’s terrorism; it doesn’t need a genius degree to know that such or such act is terrorism.You only need the courage and decency to call evil evil and good good.
 
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