Terrorists reportedly take over Sydney cafe

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Path_Finder said:
Thanks for telling us this and leaving the excerpt as well, one of those NY tabloids I think is good but I get one of those “attack sites” at one of them. I hope everyone turns out okay.
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If that doesn’t work, a local article.

smh.com.au/nsw/police-clear-martin-place-after-gunman-holds-hostages-at-lindt-chocolat-cafe-20141215-127824.html

That article is been updated fairly regularly. It pretty much matches what is on every other site and the news media. This is huge for us - so far we’ve not had anything related to Islamic terrorism. Police raids and claims it’s coming, but nothing real. We haven’t had a terrorist attack since 1986.

There is not much more than speculation at the moment. The news is going crazy as you’d expect, but it’s nothing but “it could be this”, “it could be that”. The police commissioner is due to make a statement in a few minutes, but I can’t imagine he’ll say anything of note.

I think it is heartening that no one is dead yet. Perhaps I am naive (probably) but if the intent was simply to go in and do as much carnage as possible, I don’t see why they’d have waited 2 1/2 hours. Of course, I’m not naive enough to think that means their won’t be carnage. I just pray there won’t be.
 
tawny said:
Praying for the safety & well being of the hostages.
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Hail Mary, Mother of God
spread the effect of grace of thy Flame of Love over all humanity
now and at the hour of our death
Amen
 
Our Father…
Hail Mary…
Glory Be…
St Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle…
 
I keep hoping FOX or CNN would have LIVE coverage.
So far FOX just has updates on the half hour. I pray no one will be hurt.
If you are not safe at a chocolate cafe-where can you be safe?!!!
 
7_Sorrows said:
I keep hoping FOX or CNN would have LIVE coverage.
So far FOX just has updates on the half hour. I pray no one will be hurt.
If you are not safe at a chocolate cafe-where can you be safe?!!!
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Lindt is Swiss (German) chocolate. Not sure how that is relevant except possibly might have something to do with immigration issues?
 
Tomdstone said:
Lindt is Swiss (German) chocolate. Not sure how that is relevant except possibly might have something to do with immigration issues?
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Others can correct me, but I’m not aware of any issues with Swiss and/or German immigrants in Australia … :confused:
 
There were issues with Germans a little after world war two, but they’re all been resolved. I’m not aware of Swiss immigrants ever having an issue. My boss is actually Swiss. He’s never mentioned anything. We can absolutely discount that theory. I wonder if the poster was simply trying to understand it through local context? Immigration appears to be such a big issue in the States at the moment.

Good news, five hostages have now managed to escape. Police negotiators are also in contact with the gunman. It now seems that there is only one and he is losing control.

I pray this ends safely, not just for the hostages but for the impact this could have on innocent Muslims if it doesn’t. There are already reports of some been abused because of what is happening. If Australians are actually harmed because of their propaganda regardless of whether there are direct links, which I think unlikely, some Australians will behave very badly.
 
The flag being displayed is a Muslim Jihad flag but not the ISIL flag.
The grainy footage of the lone terrorist seems to indicate a middle aged Muslim man.
Police negotiators have made contact but no news of what stage things are at yet.
 
Morwenna said:
Others can correct me, but I’m not aware of any issues with Swiss and/or German immigrants in Australia … :confused:
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I was thinking of a possible connection with issues with Muslims in Germany or Switzerland. Not immigration issues in Australia. Why would anyone want to take hostages and raise a Muslim flag in a Swiss (German) chocolate cafe?
 
Tomdstone said:
I was thinking of a possible connection with issues with Muslims in Germany or Switzerland. Not immigration issues in Australia. Why would anyone want to take hostages and raise a Muslim flag in a Swiss (German) chocolate cafe?
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The cafe is directly opposite the studio where Australia’s most popular breakfast show is recorded. It is also in the heart of Sydney. Middle of the financial district. Close to the Opera House. Very good position to get immediate attention of the media.

It also has a good limited shop front from what I can tell. Unlike a lot of cafes it doesn’t appear to be completely open. That is why there has been so much uncertainty about how many gunman and hostages there are.

It’s an ideal location. The fact that it is a chocolate cafe is not relevant.
 
CatholicSheila said:
There were issues with Germans a little after world war two, but they’re all been resolved. I’m not aware of Swiss immigrants ever having an issue. My boss is actually Swiss. He’s never mentioned anything. We can absolutely discount that theory. I wonder if the poster was simply trying to understand it through local context? Immigration appears to be such a big issue in the States at the moment.
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Thanks, Sheila! :tiphat:
Tomdstone said:
I was thinking of a possible connection with issues with Muslims in Germany or Switzerland. Not immigration issues in Australia. Why would anyone want to take hostages and raise a Muslim flag in a Swiss (German) chocolate cafe?
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Power. To inspire terror. Same old, same old. 😦 Those are my guesses, anyway.
 
CatholicSheila said:
The cafe is directly opposite the studio where Australia’s most popular breakfast show is recorded. It is also in the heart of Sydney. Middle of the financial district. Close to the Opera House. Very good position to get immediate attention of the media.

It also has a good limited shop front from what I can tell. Unlike a lot of cafes it doesn’t appear to be completely open. That is why there has been so much uncertainty about how many gunman and hostages there are.

It’s an ideal location. The fact that it is a chocolate cafe is not relevant.
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Great analysis, thanks again! 👍
 
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