Terry McAuliffe Leads in Final Polls

[ishii]

I think those groups tend to be more secular in outlook, socially liberal, - even if slightly fiscally conservative. My guess is they would vote pretty strongly Democrat.

Ishii

 

[seekerz]

Interesting that for those who believed abortion was the number one issue, McAuliffe was +25, which furthers dispels the notion that abortion isn’t a driving force when voting. The candidate who supports abortion rights to the core won by +25%, which essentially means the passion for the issue was actually on the left, despite media claims to the contrary. I have always said there are segments of the population that will vote for a person regardless of his policies, beliefs, or character if his opponent is opposed to abortion rights. For that group, nothing else matters so much. For all the talk on here of Catholics being too focused in a single issue, it appears liberals are eve more focused on that singular issue. Threaten to take away a woman’s “right to choose” and you will be crucified by the left. It truly is the sacred cow for many people, much to God’s dismay.

Ah, but this election was about more than just abortion. The majority of people (even Christians) whom I know, see contraception as a separate issue in which choice in perfectly acceptable. I believe that the ability to make the conflation of abortion and contraception seem like an extreme view, has become a very effective technique for validating the view that there is indeed a “war on women”. Babies, many people get; but opposition to the pill - not so much…

Two lessons I get out of this election outcome are: 1. It’s not enough to be right on an issue, one also has to have the right approach. 2. Persuasion may take longer, but in the long run, it has to be more effective than trying to make people do the right thing. Even if it fails, it is hardly likely to drive the kind of reactive resistance that results from a more forceful approach.

Despite being anti-abortion, I still do not agree with legislating invasive ultrasounds against a woman’s will - to me it violates human dignity (regardless of whether abortion also does that; because two wrongs do not make a right), but more importantly, it seems distinctly counterproductive. No adult woman who is forced to do something like that is likely to thank the person’s doing the forcing - that’s simply human nature. In a political campaign, using that natural reaction to marshall forces for or against a particular candidate is just a given.

 

[ishii]

Two lessons I get out of this election outcome are: 1. It’s not enough to be right on an issue, one also has to have the right approach. 2. Persuasion may take longer, but in the long run, it has to be more effective than trying to make people do the right thing. Even if it fails, it is hardly likely to drive the kind of reactive resistance that results from a more forceful approach.
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On this I agree. This is why I wasn’t for Rick Santorum. He was right on the issues, but I doubted his ability to appeal beyond traditional Catholics. i.e. his appeal was way too narrow. That said, in lieu of restrictions, I do agree with requiring those considering abortion to have an ultra sound, and really see what it is they are doing. I believe that some mothers would opt to not abort.

Ishii

 

[SMGS127]

Ah, but this election was about more than just abortion. The majority of people (even Christians) whom I know, see contraception as a separate issue in which choice in perfectly acceptable. I believe that the ability to make the conflation of abortion and contraception seem like an extreme view, has become a very effective technique for validating the view that there is indeed a “war on women”. Babies, many people get; but opposition to the pill - not so much…

Yeah, but what people don’t realize is that most forms of contraception include abortion as last-resort options. ABC, copper IUDs, Plan B, etc. all involve abortions to varying degrees as birth control. The companies behind them do a very good job muddying the issue, and many conservative Protestants put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la about the issue because they want to be able to say they oppose abortion without having it affect their rampant contraception usage.

 

[RPRPsych]

Yeah, but what people don’t realize is that most forms of contraception include abortion as last-resort options. ABC, copper IUDs, Plan B, etc. all involve abortions to varying degrees as birth control. The companies behind them do a very good job muddying the issue, and many conservative Protestants put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la about the issue because they want to be able to say they oppose abortion without having it affect their rampant contraception usage.

Brave words!

And very true about some of those methods, particuarly IUDs and Plan B. When will we ever learn?

 

[PaulinVA]

I think those groups tend to be more secular in outlook, socially liberal, - even if slightly fiscally conservative. My guess is they would vote pretty strongly Democrat.

Ishii

Northern VA does go full out Democrat. It’s interesting, though, whether the money and education has an actual influence, or is it where all these people work and socialize that influences their political beliefs? Is their increased interaction with the academic environment indoctrinating?

I live in a super zip and am conservative. But, my precinct does always vote democrat.

 

[revert_jen]

As fewer and fewer women get married, the conservative message in general is rejected by single women.

That sentence doesn’t make sense. Possibly, “The conservative message in general is rejected by single women, and as fewer and fewer women get married, this has a larger effect on election results.”

Single women by and large look to government as their husband.

Wow. I’m not really that easily offended, but that statement is pretty offensive. Many single women (like myself) work very hard not to need any protector. I would rather have been married, true, but sometimes it just isn’t your choice.

I have never accepted government assistance, even though there was a time when I would have been eligible.

I voted for KC, and was happy to do it. The things on which he holds rather extreme views are things that, by and large, he wouldn’t have any control over as Governor. (Also, I mostly happen to agree with him in a way–contraception is bad, but that doesn’t mean that either KC or I have plans to outlaw it.)

To the extent that single women feel themselves to be alone-nay are alone- and perceives themselves to be in a vulnerable position as a result of their aloneness, designing a campaign that increases the paranoia, the insecurity, and the fear that young women feel, is a tremendously useful Democratic ploy.

It is a false sense of security that a government provides to its vulnerable members.

Single men are just as alone as single women. I’ve never been called a feminist, but this post just really went too far for me. Single women like myself are not just cowering out there waiting for someone to protect us because we are so alone. Sheesh.

There are some things that are less offensive when said by a member of the group they denigrate. The analysis was no more accurate if it was first propounded by two women, but it was less offensive.

–Jen

 

[seekerz]

Yeah, but what people don’t realize is that most forms of contraception include abortion as last-resort options. ABC, copper IUDs, Plan B, etc. all involve abortions to varying degrees as birth control. The companies behind them do a very good job muddying the issue, and many conservative Protestants put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la about the issue because they want to be able to say they oppose abortion without having it affect their rampant contraception usage.

Whether they realize it or not is not the issue when it comes to elections, I think. Is the approach of those who conflate abortion and contraception effective? Does the “outlaw it and people won’t do it” approach yield a net benefit in persuading people to one side or the next? Those IMO, are the salient questions.

And for the record, I agree about IUDs, but not about ABC and Plan B being abortifacient. I don’t see any definitive scientific evidence to support that effect and there is not likely to be 100% acceptance of the science behind those products even if there were concrete, overwhelming evidence- - too much passion involved for dispassionate objectivity to rule the day.

 

[CatholicFireman]

I was at mass last night and who do I see? Ken Cuccinelli . I didn’t know he lived in my parish.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Evolving Strategies and the Middle Resolution PAC conducted experimental research that suggests an aggressive attack on McAuliffe for supporting ObamaCare was ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. An attack on McAuliffe’s business record possibly helped, but was anemic.

What moved the voters most was an attack on McAuliffe’s positions on abortion; a single phone message emphasizing McAuliffe’s support for unrestricted, late-term, and taxpayer-funded abortions shifted support a net 13 to 15 points away from McAuliffe and toward Cuccinelli. The cost per vote here was a remarkably cheap $0.50 per additional vote, and even less expensive still when targeting the most persuadable segment of the electorate.

A topic declared radioactive by nearly everyone, locked away in secure storage behind a blazing Hazmat warning by the Cuccinelli campaign, appears to have been a powerful weapon for the Republican ticket that could have substantially closed the gap, and possibly even won Cuccinelli the election.

http://www.campaignsandelections.com/article_images/articledir_856/428067/2_fullsize.jpg?1386602872

campaignsandelections.com/magazine/us-edition/428067/vaccines-vs-leeches.thtml

Lesson for pro life candidates in future elections

 

[_Abyssinia]

Evolving Strategies and the Middle Resolution PAC conducted experimental research that suggests an aggressive attack on McAuliffe for supporting ObamaCare was ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. An attack on McAuliffe’s business record possibly helped, but was anemic.

What moved the voters most was an attack on McAuliffe’s positions on abortion; a single phone message emphasizing McAuliffe’s support for unrestricted, late-term, and taxpayer-funded abortions shifted support a net 13 to 15 points away from McAuliffe and toward Cuccinelli. The cost per vote here was a remarkably cheap $0.50 per additional vote, and even less expensive still when targeting the most persuadable segment of the electorate.

A topic declared radioactive by nearly everyone, locked away in secure storage behind a blazing Hazmat warning by the Cuccinelli campaign, appears to have been a powerful weapon for the Republican ticket that could have substantially closed the gap, and possibly even won Cuccinelli the election.

http://www.campaignsandelections.com/article_images/articledir_856/428067/2_fullsize.jpg?1386602872

campaignsandelections.com/magazine/us-edition/428067/vaccines-vs-leeches.thtml

Lesson for pro life candidates in future elections

 

[_Abyssinia]

Evolving Strategies and the Middle Resolution PAC conducted experimental research that suggests an aggressive attack on McAuliffe for supporting ObamaCare was ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. An attack on McAuliffe’s business record possibly helped, but was anemic.

What moved the voters most was an attack on McAuliffe’s positions on abortion; a single phone message emphasizing McAuliffe’s support for unrestricted, late-term, and taxpayer-funded abortions shifted support a net 13 to 15 points away from McAuliffe and toward Cuccinelli. The cost per vote here was a remarkably cheap $0.50 per additional vote, and even less expensive still when targeting the most persuadable segment of the electorate.

A topic declared radioactive by nearly everyone, locked away in secure storage behind a blazing Hazmat warning by the Cuccinelli campaign, appears to have been a powerful weapon for the Republican ticket that could have substantially closed the gap, and possibly even won Cuccinelli the election.

http://www.campaignsandelections.com/article_images/articledir_856/428067/2_fullsize.jpg?1386602872

campaignsandelections.com/magazine/us-edition/428067/vaccines-vs-leeches.thtml

Lesson for pro life candidates in future elections

 

[_Abyssinia]

Evolving Strategies and the Middle Resolution PAC conducted experimental research that suggests an aggressive attack on McAuliffe for supporting ObamaCare was ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. An attack on McAuliffe’s business record possibly helped, but was anemic.

What moved the voters most was an attack on McAuliffe’s positions on abortion; a single phone message emphasizing McAuliffe’s support for unrestricted, late-term, and taxpayer-funded abortions shifted support a net 13 to 15 points away from McAuliffe and toward Cuccinelli. The cost per vote here was a remarkably cheap $0.50 per additional vote, and even less expensive still when targeting the most persuadable segment of the electorate.

A topic declared radioactive by nearly everyone, locked away in secure storage behind a blazing Hazmat warning by the Cuccinelli campaign, appears to have been a powerful weapon for the Republican ticket that could have substantially closed the gap, and possibly even won Cuccinelli the election.

http://www.campaignsandelections.com/article_images/articledir_856/428067/2_fullsize.jpg?1386602872

campaignsandelections.com/magazine/us-edition/428067/vaccines-vs-leeches.thtml

Lesson for pro life candidates in future elections

 

[_Abyssinia]

Evolving Strategies and the Middle Resolution PAC conducted experimental research that suggests an aggressive attack on McAuliffe for supporting ObamaCare was ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. An attack on McAuliffe’s business record possibly helped, but was anemic.

What moved the voters most was an attack on McAuliffe’s positions on abortion; a single phone message emphasizing McAuliffe’s support for unrestricted, late-term, and taxpayer-funded abortions shifted support a net 13 to 15 points away from McAuliffe and toward Cuccinelli. The cost per vote here was a remarkably cheap $0.50 per additional vote, and even less expensive still when targeting the most persuadable segment of the electorate.

A topic declared radioactive by nearly everyone, locked away in secure storage behind a blazing Hazmat warning by the Cuccinelli campaign, appears to have been a powerful weapon for the Republican ticket that could have substantially closed the gap, and possibly even won Cuccinelli the election.

http://www.campaignsandelections.com/article_images/articledir_856/428067/2_fullsize.jpg?1386602872

campaignsandelections.com/magazine/us-edition/428067/vaccines-vs-leeches.thtml

Lesson for pro life candidates in future elections

 

[_Abyssinia]

Evolving Strategies and the Middle Resolution PAC conducted experimental research that suggests an aggressive attack on McAuliffe for supporting ObamaCare was ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. An attack on McAuliffe’s business record possibly helped, but was anemic.

What moved the voters most was an attack on McAuliffe’s positions on abortion; a single phone message emphasizing McAuliffe’s support for unrestricted, late-term, and taxpayer-funded abortions shifted support a net 13 to 15 points away from McAuliffe and toward Cuccinelli. The cost per vote here was a remarkably cheap $0.50 per additional vote, and even less expensive still when targeting the most persuadable segment of the electorate.

A topic declared radioactive by nearly everyone, locked away in secure storage behind a blazing Hazmat warning by the Cuccinelli campaign, appears to have been a powerful weapon for the Republican ticket that could have substantially closed the gap, and possibly even won Cuccinelli the election.

http://www.campaignsandelections.com/article_images/articledir_856/428067/2_fullsize.jpg?1386602872

campaignsandelections.com/magazine/us-edition/428067/vaccines-vs-leeches.thtml

Lesson for pro life candidates in future elections

 

[_Abyssinia]

Evolving Strategies and the Middle Resolution PAC conducted experimental research that suggests an aggressive attack on McAuliffe for supporting ObamaCare was ineffective at best and counter-productive at worst. An attack on McAuliffe’s business record possibly helped, but was anemic.

What moved the voters most was an attack on McAuliffe’s positions on abortion; a single phone message emphasizing McAuliffe’s support for unrestricted, late-term, and taxpayer-funded abortions shifted support a net 13 to 15 points away from McAuliffe and toward Cuccinelli. The cost per vote here was a remarkably cheap $0.50 per additional vote, and even less expensive still when targeting the most persuadable segment of the electorate.

A topic declared radioactive by nearly everyone, locked away in secure storage behind a blazing Hazmat warning by the Cuccinelli campaign, appears to have been a powerful weapon for the Republican ticket that could have substantially closed the gap, and possibly even won Cuccinelli the election.

http://www.campaignsandelections.com/article_images/articledir_856/428067/2_fullsize.jpg?1386602872

campaignsandelections.com/magazine/us-edition/428067/vaccines-vs-leeches.thtml

This should be a lesson for every pro life candidate in future elections. Do not step away from the issue of abortion, highlight the extremeness of the position that the candidate who supports abortion like Cuccinelli McAullife

 

[CatholicFireman]

Well it didn’t take long. He is “reexamining” the abortion laws. It’s hard to hold my temper. I have GOT to get out of this state!

 

[SMGS127]

Well it didn’t take long. He is “reexamining” the abortion laws. It’s hard to hold my temper. I have GOT to get out of this state!

What’s your source for that Fireman? I live in DC and haven’t heard a word about abortion laws being discussed in VA.

 

[_Abyssinia]

What’s your source for that Fireman? I live in DC and haven’t heard a word about abortion laws being discussed in VA.

Perhaps this is what he is referring too:

Gov. McAuliffe calls for review of abortion clinic regulations in Virginia

 

[CatholicFireman]

That’s exactly what I was referring to. I couldn’t cut and paste the link on my Kindle.