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aspawloski4th:
I can see not allowing any surgeries, after all the church doesnt allow tatoos.
The Church has no problem with tattoos. The only case where tattooing MAY be sinful are if it is done by force or to a child, for immoral reasons (eg numbering political prisoners), obscene, occult, satanist or blasphemous words, symbols or images, or where it is done to such an excessive extent and in such a way that it offends the natural beauty of the human body and becomes a celebration of ugliness.
I can see not being allowed to marry even. but doning different clothes and a different name? Istill question that. is it just as “bad” in private as in public? and I do have a doublestandard problem myself, example joan of arc most of her life was known as a male, I dont see any critism of that, Ive heard other examples like joan of arc’s that I cant specifically think of off the top of my head that never get critisised. that will never sit well with me since Im never on the side of any doublestandards.
In fact the principal charge for which Joan of Arc was condemned was that she habitually wore the clothing and hairstyle of a male soldier. But she did this for practical reasons (imagine trying to fight a sword battle riding side-saddle with a full-length skirt and full-length hair) NOT to try to pretend to be a man. She was never “known as a male” and never aimed to be, nor to change her name to a man’s name. She wore white armour to distinguish herself from the male soldiers.

The sin in cross-dressing is not in the physical garments involved, but in the intent to pretend to be a member of, or to hurtfully mock, the opposite sex; or, in some cases, to sexually excite oneself outside of the purposes which God ordained for sexuality.
 
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Lynn-D:
I must express confusion as to why those like ‘Fix’ insist on including…
You seem to attribute many things to me I cannot find in my posts?

I have stated my position a few times now. As a quick review I will say you have provided no proof that “sex reassignment” surgery is psychiatrically valid and certainly no proof it is morally licit.

This entire debate is one of dualing medical “experts” and religious “opinions”. I have referenced some cites from folks who are orthodox Catholics and they have given their understanding of Church teaching in this matter.

I have read nothing that would refute those citations.

We are all “biased” in some manner, however, we all can know the truth and we all can submit to the authority of the Church that the Holy Spirit guides. The psychiatrists, and others, who support the things you endorse do not have the same authority.
 
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fix:
You have not proven what the transgenderists claim. In fact, the above article suports McHugh’s assertions. Chromosomes determine whether we are male or female. Other influencing factors exist for sure, but we are either male or female. These issues revolove around psychiatric problems that need to addressed. Other congenital anonmalies exist, but I can’t see how they prove your position?
Fix, each time you mention srs in the same vein as transgendered that it itself attributes transsexuals to that mis-applied social construct.
You seem to take as more valid the psychiatric findings that are usually linked to transgendered and that is understandable since they outnumber transsexuals by a margin estimated at 100 to 1 under the GID construed formula and some claim they outnumber even the homosexual community.
Most of the psychiatric problems that transsexuals face are imposed by the bigotry and prejudice of those supposed ‘enlightened’ folks like the psychiatrists and therapists that often confuse the separate issues of transsexualism and transgenderism. Their opinions are often used as absolutes in arguments presented to society which includes church leaders.
I would have no problem if the TS was not measured as if cosigned to the heterosexual transvestite, the gay crossdresser, the she-males, the drag-queens, etc.- the transgendered. But it is very difficult to separate facts from fiction and opinion when the findings are selective and at the same time intertwined as if common to all.
You have provided no concrete evidence. Your ‘facts’ have consistently been psychiatric opinions which we all know are derived from an inexact science to begin with. I and others have provided you links to research papers that are based upon factual studies that can be and have been validated by further evidence. That though does not seem to be accepted by those who would rather base their statements on simply unfounded opinions and mix them in with religious misunderstanding which selectively support their own bias, clinical or otherwise.
I am a very moral person. Did not have my srs for sexual reasons although I do function as a female in a normal sense. After all I am married to a man. So many try to attach those like me to porn and fetish groups and I deeply resent it. I was born with a biological problem and actually have been found to be without any mental aberration by top line psychiatric experts. So, in your opinion, for what should I be treated? Your assumptions are clouded perhaps by might be’s, could be’s and/or should be’s?
I lost family, profession, friends, money, status and was caste out for only wanting to transition and to be me. It is amazing perhaps that I suffer no mental disorder requiring treatment. In fact I have been evaluated and found quite normal by professionals. I don’t put much stock in most opinions by the so-called ‘experts’ though for it does not mean much to me. I have seen in them much contradiction and division of opinions that can and have been skewed to suit a self serving purpose usually intended to thicken the wallet. Too many Freud’s, Jung’s, McHugh’s, Kinsey’s, Blanchard’s, Bailey’s, etc. out there for me to find wide ranging truth and understanding in that discipline. Might as go to a corner palm reader and be better served in most cases.
I found comfort in simple discussion with my parish priest when I was stressed by the hate and prejudiced. Now that parish priest is being influenced to see us as somewhat less for what we have done because of some secret doctrine alluded to but not clearly defined nor allowed to be presented for open discussion.
The so-called merits of srs are not debatable for me and for many others. It is a disgrace that so many shrinks and self pronounced experts are mixing the transssexuals in with the transgendered and thereby, perhaps unknowingly, creating a confusing hierarchy group where the pseudo types think that they are in need to climb a ladder towards an ultimate achievement goal of srs. That is sick and fostered by the psychiatric mentality which seems to insist upon joining all so-called GID types under one single label and referring them all as cosigned to the transgendered. Transgendered was coined by a transvestite to mask his fetishism so how has it happened that the longer established term of transsexual has somehow become a sub-set of that mix of confusion in the minds of some? I ‘trans’ed’ my sex to meld with my brain gender. I did not ‘tran’s’ my gender since it was female from birth.
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I have over the years been in contact with many true TS’s who have had srs. I have yet to meet one that is not happier and feels they are living as they should have been born. Some may still have therapy sessions but from what I see it is a matter of helping them adjust after a long life of abuse and condemnation for not being what they inherently knew they could not be. I personally have never been under the care of a psychiatrist or a therapist except for the state mandated evaluation determining that I was mentally and physically female in order to have my legal documents changed.
Where I wonder would those like me fit in with the oft misapplied psyche book of confusion that insists upon adding us to the myriad of classes that actually are not happy, content, functional and otherwise productive as many of us are? As a whole we perhaps adjust to our travail better than society as a whole deals with their even simple psychiatric maladies.
Lynn-D
 
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