Right. As the Muslims of southern Sumatra said in January 2005, God sent the tsunami to northern Sumatra to punish the Muslims inhabitants for their infidelity. We need this kind of added divine revelation to give us the complete geological answer as to why earthquakes happen, as plate tectonics is only a theory.
Right. That’s why we got this country – because the Indians were pagans and God gave it to us Christians. Or don’t you believe in Manifest Destiny and the White man’s Burden? That’s pretty fundamental stuff for an American citizen not to know…
It always a science vs God argument with you.
or to satisfy you personally.You’re mixing up Hebrews with the British and Spanish
I agree.It always a science vs God argument with you.
God can and does intervence. While most things are probably natural events, do we have a method to test it? No, we do not.
So we may be surprised to find out just how much or not God intervenes.
God is under no restriction to intervene in ways that would spike the supernatural detectores we have in place.
That’s a stupid analogy. Theologians deal with truth,and there is no theological progress beyond the knowledge of the ancient theologians. There is only technological,scientific progress which leaves behind theology and which is mistakenly thought of as an improvement on theological knowledge.
Why stop at burning books? Why not burn the profaners themselves? The pornographers? The adulterers? The fornicators? They would make good kindling for the fires for the evolutionists…
Supernatural detectors? What are these?God is under no restriction to intervene in ways that would spike the supernatural detectores we have in place.
Evolutionary psychology can explain our biological inclinations. I agree with you that there has to be room for a soul with free will in our behaviour. How the brain works is not understood very well yet at all. I don’t think biology will ever be able to explain our behaviour as completely determinate. Science has at least two areas that are indeterminate now, quantum physics and chaos theory. Possibly those could be gaps through which the soul can influence the physical world (in our brains), or whereby God can affect the natural world without violating natural laws.
So fight against rationalist naturalism using respectable arguments. The creationist arguments are embarassing, and make some people think that Christians have nothing to stand on, and that we’re afraid of science. In fact we need more real christian scienctists and philosophers explaining how science and faith go hand in hand.
From the post I responded to:
Isn’t that what science class is for?
You and I have discussed this before. I have no problem teaching about God in a religion class or a philosophy class or a metaphysics class, but not in a science class.
That statement alone would have drawn my response. I grew up learning science without God as a mechanism. I don’t think you, unlike Ed, would say that I would consider God optional.
Did you write this or did Ed? You have all along noted, correctly, that science and faith are not exclusive of each other, yet you make that claim here. Once again, I, like most on these threads, believe in God. My faith has never been in question during any of my scientific education. Am I special? No, I’m not. People who have little or no basis for their faith or who have no faith to begin with may have that response. In those cases, evolution is really irrelevant to that conclusion.
You know - devices that are strategically setup all over the planet that detect God interventions.
That shows your ignorance of how science works.
And specifically not a scientist. Of course it doesn’t add up for you. You haven’t studied it as a science, only as an evil force in the world.
No, a few around here get hot under the collar when you call them athiests and idolators and act as if you are more Catholic than the Pope. You haven’t questioned the science, you have libeled the scientists. You don’t understand the science well enough to actually question it. You have made that abundantly clear.
Well… like if we talk about science, we should not make up arguments which bend the truth to reach pre-concieved ideas. Even as a non-scientist, when I read the creationism web pages, their lies are just so obvious.
I am very consistent.
I was agreeing with Ed that the outcome of our present system is lacking. I agree emperical science should be taught in science class.Unfortunately that is not the case with far too many. I am glad you have searched and found. But I submit that the majority of public school kids come out with this:
I have seen the creationist web pages. Most of them are not credible, and the rest contain bits and pieces that I regard as factual. I have done my own research off of the internet. There is enough information to question evolution, but all internet forums, including this one, are not good places to present this evidence. But I still try from time to time.
Then I suspect what another poster said was correct. You simply believe you correctly interpret Lateran IV better than the vatican has been able to since at least Pius XII. Do you really think no one in Rome has found this momentous solution? We can just make it official now that the Catholic Church teaches creationism. Obviously it does not, It recognizes evolution and recognizes that it is God driven. The church so far allows people to believe what they wish, but I would argue they are NOT free to argue that creationism is taught by the Church. It is not.