Thank God for Evolution!

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RIDICULOUS! Mr. Ex Nihilo, it’s evident that if it doesn’t suit or you read what you like then you dismiss it as absurd. There isn’t anything to debate. I’ve provided resources and you have failed to give me anything but rude remarks. FYI, in the future address our exchanges rather than fabricating something that doesn’t exist. I wasn’t name calling anyone. Observations are part of science. 🙂 And science is truth.
You’ve often ridiculed people for not agreeing with you, insisting that anyone with “half-a-brain” should be able to understand you-- and that’s just the beginning.

You’ve also effectively called into question the faith of anyone who disagrees with you wildleafblower, and have many times given the innuendo that anyone who doesn’t agree with you simply doesn’t love Jesus.

Furthermore, whenever the conversion goes against what you claim, you don’t actually respond to what we’ve said and instead just post quotes and links to other sites which do not actually address our questions.

Finally, as a last resort, instead of actually addressing our questions, you attempt to label us as “panentheists” instead of actually reading what we’re saying.

I’m sorry, but I find your posts to be demeaning and often highly presumptuous as to what we actually believe without adding anything meaningful to the discussion and debate. Your posts are sometimes meaningless in their lack of context to be honest.

It’s one thing to question the methods by which someone arrives at their conclusions in their faith-- searching for where one might arrive at faulty conclusions in their theodicy of God. It’s entirely another thing to call into the question the very faith which they espouse to uphold and claim that they don’t actually believe in anything which the Church actually teaches.

If you don’t like our thoughts then you need to address them more clearly and give us a fair chance to respond to what you actually claimed against us without projecting your own pre-conceived notions as to what we’re actually saying. Anything else is highly ignorant in my opinion. And I’m stating this quite clearly to you personally so that you can personally address these things more clearly without piling up more quotes and links that add nothing to the discussion.

Do you understand this?
 
Impeccable? I don’t think so.

The answer consists of two complementary parts, science, and divine providence, the ‘first cause.’ Science by itself is an inadequate answer, and can be misleading.

Ed
Wow you don’t think of Catholic World News as impecable? Okay…Well I knew you would simply ignore the Vatican once again. You’re argument has become meaningless you know Ed. YOu agree but demand what can’t be done. you insist science marry itself to religion. I don’t know why you find it so hard to make the connection yourself and move on.
 
You’ve often ridiculed people for not agreeing with you, insisting that anyone with “half-a-brain” should be able to understand you-- and that’s just the beginning. You’ve also effectively called into question the faith of anyone who disagrees with you wildleafblower, and have many times given the innuendo that anyone who doesn’t agree with you simply doesn’t love Jesus. Do you understand this?
Charity and mental stability are prerequisites for coherent thought and cogent argumentation.
 
How can the creation of Eve from Adam be reconciled with evolution?

When the scriptures say that Eve was created from Adam how should that be interpreted?

Are the scriptures not telling the truth when they say that Eve was created from Adam?

I have no problem with believing Both in the special creation of Adam and Eve as the first homo sapiens and Eve from Adam and also with all other evolution.

What I never have answered by poeople who believe in evolution but not the special creation of Adam and Eve who claim to be Catholic is when in the bible did the first miracle that could not be scientifically explained take place?

When can we believe the bible on that score as desribing an actual historical event?

I maintain that Many who don’t believe in the special creation of Adam and Eve but do claim to believe in evolution don’t believe in many of the miracles of the bible either.

And I think that says it All!

I believe in the resurrection of Jesus from the dead which Cannot be explained by science!

If you don’t believe that you can call yourself anything you want to but christian or Catholic you are not!
 
Mr. Ex Nihilo:3054171:
You’ve often ridiculed people for not agreeing with you, insisting that anyone with “half-a-brain” should be able to understand you-- and that’s just the beginning.
Your claim is fictitious. Not based in truth. Anyone who can read my previous messages will know that you are incorrect. I never used the words “half-a-brain”. I suggest you relax and take a break since you are reading into things that aren’t true.
You’ve also effectively called into question the faith of anyone who disagrees with you wildleafblower, and have many times given the innuendo that anyone who doesn’t agree with you simply doesn’t love Jesus.
There isn’t evidence that I have made such a claim, noticing you do tend to over exaggerate circumstances. What I have now observed is that you wish to be THE SHEPARD OF THE FLOCK. I’ll remind you that everyone has a right to speak for his/herself without being interrupted by you. Your being the voice of a KNOW IT ALL! 😃
Furthermore, whenever the conversion goes against what you claim, you don’t actually respond to what we’ve said and instead just post quotes and links to other sites which do not actually address our questions.
You appear to me as a dictator making a false claim. I use evidence such as quotes and links to support my viewpoint on the topic being discussed. And remember, I DON’T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I did kindly REPLY to you but you obviously didn’t like the answer. And you continue to stalk me from topic to topic in pursuit of me answering your questions. The problem is that if you don’t agree with what I have written, which is your problem not mine, you hound me. Leave me alone.
Finally, as a last resort, instead of actually addressing our questions, you attempt to label us as “panentheists” instead of actually reading what we’re saying.
Read my reply above and please take note that I made observations in past messages to this topic. My advise to you is that you are in need of learning about the word panentheist and what it means. At this point you haven’t shown me you know.
I’m sorry, but I find your posts to be demeaning and often highly presumptuous as to what we actually believe without adding anything meaningful to the discussion and debate. Your posts are sometimes meaningless in their lack of context to be honest.
I find your posts to be boring and without substance. Your insult directed at me is noted and without reason. You like to belittle people but have failed and lost the debate so wish to attack with belittling remarks. It doesn’t cut the mustard with me. It’s becoming very clear to me that the previous evidence (links and quotes by the Pope or a member of the Vatican’s Scientific Advisory Committee) I provided for you is meaningless so as a result of that you attack me with rude and obnoxious remarks which you obviously consider to be part of a debate. 😦 FYI, I haven’t had a problem with being understood in the past years, it’s being clear to me that you just don’t like the evidence (links and quotes). My observation is that when you don’t get your way, you resort to insult.

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If you don’t like our thoughts then you need to address them more clearly and give us a fair chance to respond to what you actually claimed against us without projecting your own pre-conceived notions as to what we’re actually saying. Anything else is highly ignorant in my opinion. And I’m stating this quite clearly to you personally so that you can personally address these things more clearly without piling up more quotes and links that add nothing to the discussion.

Do you understand this?
UNDERSTAND THIS Mr. Ex Nihilo, YOUR claim is fictitious. :rolleyes: And, I’ve become completely bored by your role of a dictator and instructor. I’m a grown adult who thinks for myself so I don’t need you as a role model. Also be aware, I’m not questioning anyone’s Faith system. I must admit though that I have noticed your level of comprehension is minimal to say the least. You tend to skip around. And I repeat, “Mr. Ex Nihilo, Coyne is talking about COSMOLOGY which has nothing to do with the Eurcharist!” Futhermore, your harsh remarks are absolutely absurd. I can’t be bothered with such. I detest someone who acts as the Ruler of a topic and instructs me as you have how I MUST proceed in my exchanges with others. Let them speak. Don’t butt in. Remember, YOU ARE NOT THE MODERATOR, YOU ARE NOT THE LORD AND MASTER, YOU ARE NOT GOD, and YOU ARE NOT MY CARETAKER of my every exchange with other people. I haven’t judged anyone yet you have judged me. :rolleyes: Your thoughts are far beyond reality based. GET A LIFE! Your assumptions mean nothing to me. I have to admit that I’m much older than you and am convinced wiser too. Your attempt to belittle me in a public forum has failed. 😃 It’s Christmas time for me so I hope you will understand I just don’t have the time to spend an ounce more of energy on you. 😃 One last note, if I am in need of a theologian, I’ll go to the Vatican and get my answers from them. 😃

Thank you and think about taking a nice holiday! 😃 I’ll be entertaining the science crowd.
 
Charity and mental stability are prerequisites for coherent thought and cogent argumentation.
Mr. Ex Nihilo;3054171:
You’ve often ridiculed people for not agreeing with you, insisting that anyone with “half-a-brain” should be able to understand you-- and that’s just the beginning.

You’ve also effectively called into question the faith of anyone who disagrees with you wildleafblower, and have many times given the innuendo that anyone who doesn’t agree with you simply doesn’t love Jesus.
wildleafblower;3052959:
RIDICULOUS! Mr. Ex Nihilo, it’s evident that if it doesn’t suit or you read what you like then you dismiss it as absurd. There isn’t anything to debate. I’ve provided resources and you have failed to give me anything but rude remarks. FYI, in the future address our exchanges rather than fabricating something that doesn’t exist. I wasn’t name calling anyone. Observations are part of science. 🙂 And science is truth.
Hi Dr. Hess, I’ve already addressed Mr. Ex Nihilo in messages 386 and 387. Dr. Hess, you declare the importance of mental stability and charity. Hummm, I do recall another topic where Tim, Alec, and I had concerns with you’re comments. ( oh, I do recall and saved the page with the url of screwdrivers from another topic we were discussing that I asked the moderator to remove.) Dr. Hess, you have claimed to be a Roman Catholic Theologian who publicly speaks on behalf of members that belong to the Roman Catholic Church. I have every right and depend on you to correctly represent me in the public eye and adhere to the teachings found within the Vatican: Holy See website (1) that scholars and laypersons can freely access. Do you support what the Pope (s), Bishops, and their Scientific Advisory Committee have stated and the teachings of the Church which are found in the Catechism, The new American Bible and its Compendium? I’m curious to know Peter, was it you who recommended Haught to testify in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial? If not, then who was the person?

1.vatican.va/
http://www.vatican.va/
 
Remember, YOU ARE NOT THE MODERATOR, YOU ARE NOT THE LORD AND MASTER, YOU ARE NOT GOD, and YOU ARE NOT MY CARETAKER of my every exchange with other people. I haven’t judged anyone yet you have judged me. :rolleyes: Your thoughts are far beyond reality based. GET A LIFE!
Mr. Ex Nihilo, this post proves that your observations are astute. Keep the faith, and keep up the good work! I too have suffered at the hands of the Inquisition, and I too love Jesus.
 
Dr. Hess, you declare the importance of mental stability and charity. Hummm…
I wouldn’t take it too seriously, wildleafblower…
"drpmjhess:
Charity and mental stability are prerequisites for coherent thought and cogent argumentation.
… My graduate degrees are from Oxford, where I engaged in courteous and spirited debate with Anglicans and Catholics and Free Church evangelicals, with Muslims and Hindus and atheist philosophers. I have taught theology for twenty-seven years – including in monasteries to future priests and nuns. **Until today, I have never encountered someone either so stupid, so theologically ignorant, or so evil **of heart as to accuse me of atheism. …
:rolleyes:
 
Thanks Neil:D You’re an angel. Notice Peter dodges my message 389? :whistle:Wonder why he doesn’t wish to “engage”?
 
Was it you who recommended Haught to testify in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial? If not, then who was the person?
No, I didn’t know anything about Kitzmiller v. Dover at the time. But Jack Haught was a brilliant choice to place opposite the Thomas More Law Center, as he is one of the foremost Catholic theologians dealing with theology in a 2st century, evolutionary context.
 
I guess some Catholics who claim to believe in evolution without any special intervention are still running away from the special creation of Eve from Adam.

They never will say when the first miracle in the bible occurred that could not be explained by science.

Do they believe that Jesus’ resurrection can be scientifically explained or is it just allegorical, too?
 
I guess some Catholics who claim to believe in evolution without any special intervention are still running away from the special creation of Eve from Adam.

Gosh Jerry, I’m not aware of any poster here who is a Catholic who is claiming evolution without “special intervention”. Goodness it is just the opposite. Everyone whether they accept evolution or not agrees that God is the creator of all that is, seem or unseen.

They never will say when the first miracle in the bible occurred that could not be explained by science.

**Why would anyone be required to define their determination of what is chronologically to them the first miracle. ? **

Do they believe that Jesus’ resurrection can be scientifically explained or is it just allegorical, too?
**Sorry but you are seriously confused. Jesus resurrection so far as I know cannot be proven scientifically. That does not by any means make it by definition allegorical. What would lead you to such a strange conclusion? **
 
I guess some Catholics who claim to believe in evolution without any special intervention are still running away from the special creation of Eve from Adam.

They never will say when the first miracle in the bible occurred that could not be explained by science.

Do they believe that Jesus’ resurrection can be scientifically explained or is it just allegorical, too?
Hi Jerry,
You inspired me to create a poll:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=204160
Of course, the people who think everything happened naturally and can be explained by science will object to the poll and refuse to answer. :confused:
 
I guess some Catholics who claim to believe in evolution without any special intervention are still running away from the special creation of Eve from Adam.

They never will say when the first miracle in the bible occurred that could not be explained by science.

Do they believe that Jesus’ resurrection can be scientifically explained or is it just allegorical, too?
Why, why, why do people insist that if one accepts evolution one must also deny miracles? Why?

Peace

Tim
 
Why, why, why do people insist that if one accepts evolution one must also deny miracles? Why?

Peace

Tim
It’s because the people on here who say they believe in evolution usually refuse to name a miracle they think was real.

I believe in evolution, but I think Jesus really turned the water into wine, and really rose from the dead, and all the others. Finally, someone said it.
 
How could you be a Catholic and deny miracles? I don’t know any Christians who accept evolution, who deny miracles. Certainly no Catholics like that.
 
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