I actually have wondered the same myself. I find in my catholic blog searching wherein i’ve covered over 1,000 blogs, an amazing number are converts and extremely conservative to boot. One can close one’s eyes and hear nothing but a fumdamentalist. They’ve been poorly catechetized and then coming to the internet I assume they think this is what Catholicism is about. It’s most unfortunate.
Peter it must be clear to you by now that except for one person nobody is buying it. So isn’t it time to move on?
They say that for every 1 person who posts, there are hundreds or thousands of people lurking and reading. I’m sure there are many more people out there who appreciate good science.
SpiritMeadow, who is the one person buying it?
wildleafblower
Why this campaign against Berthault? Where in any of his published papers does he make such a claim?
Peter
: *The great flood which covered the whole land or region in which Noe lived (Gen. 6:1-9:19) God sent this flood to destroy all men in this region because of their wickedness. Noe and his family alone were spared (Gen.6:1-8). Scriptural scholars say that the flood did not necessarily cover the whole earth as we know it today; some even hold that it did not necessarily destroy all the people on the earth. Our English text uses “earth” when describing the place, but the words of the original Hebrew text can mean land or locality; in fact, land seems to be the first and primary meaning in this context. Thus we would read the waters “filled all on the face of the land.” *(page 68 of the Catholic Encyclopedia located within The Holy Bible, published with the approbation of His Eminence Samuel Cardinal Stritch, Archbishop of Chicago, The Catholic Press, Inc., Copyright 1952, 1950.)wildleafblower;3088654 said:
And please do remember that Chapter 6 verse 1 of Genesis as noted in the footnote of the New American Bible: “1 [1-4] This is apparently a fragment of an old legend that had borrowed much from ancient mythology. The sacred author incorporates it here, not only in order to account for the prehistoric giants of Palestine, whom the Israelites called the Nephilim, but also to introduce the story of the flood with a moral orientation - the constantly increasing wickedness of mankind.”vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_P8.HTM
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_P8.HTM
Any claims made by Guy Berthault showing how the Grand Canyon was formed from Noah’s Flood in one year has been debunked.
"The clearest verses that show the extent of the flood are Genesis 7:19-23:
“And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.”
gotquestions.org/global-flood.html
And, Jesus believed that the Flood killed everyone not on the Ark (Matt. 24:37–39).
answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/global10.asp
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I have dear friends that are YEC’s, Protestants, . One of them is my neighbor and like a little sister to me. I love her children. We rarely discuss our differences since we’re too busy having fun enjoying each others company.
What counts as a YEC? A lot of catholics have concernes with science and the theory of evolution, but are they all YEC’s?I have dear friends that are YEC’s, Protestants, . One of them is my neighbor and like a little sister to me. I love her children. We rarely discuss our differences since we’re too busy having fun enjoying each others company.
As far as your idea about a survey, it has been done numerous times on Catholic.com. There aren’t a lot of YEC’s on Catholic.com just the same old ones popping in again and again.
Belief in a literal six-day creation week. Those who accept the YE “flood geology” doctrine of the seventh-day adventists, which some evangelicals accepted and renamed “creation science” (later “intelligent design”)
No, they aren’t all YEC’s. Some forms of creationism are perfectly consistent with Scripture and Christian belief.
Creationists comes from the word Creationism. There are many creationists SpiritMeadow. As creationists they can believe in: Young Earth creationism, Gap creationism, Progressive creationism, Intelligent design, and Theistic evolution. I am none of those though I have friends that are.
Be nice to them is all that I ask. As Christians we should be considerate of other peoples feelings even if we disagree. Neil, I hope the information i’ve provided in the message answers a tad of what you were asking of me. Young Earth Creationism: “Directly created by God. Macroevolution does not occur.< 10,000 years old. Reshaped by global flood.< 10,000 years old.”
Yes you did answer it but… I’m thinking of two catholics I know. They certainly don’t believe in literay 6 days creation 6000 years ago, or believe in unusual science to prove creationism, but they also don’t like evolution, and don’t like National Geographic because its always talking about evolution and so they think its an athiest magazine. Does that make them YECs?
Personally, I don’t care what your friends like or dislike. I definately support Vatican II and agree that evolution is a fact. I love science and have a supernational faith in God and great love for Jesus but I want God to remain out of public schools. I believe in a separation of church and state as does our current Pope Benedict. Talk about a neighborhood of homemade family friends! Sometimes they get to the paper before I do, finding out later there are missing sections after I pick it up from the driveway. I can’t help but love them. Just being honest. Thanks in advance for your future consideration.) You’re right – any Christian who accepts the doctrine of creation, namely, the doctrine that the universe is ontologically contingent upon a source outside itself – is a creationist. Unfortunately the Young Earthers hijacked this term about fifty years ago, styling themselves the only “creationists” and all others as atheists. All the theistic evolutionists and panentheists I know consider themselves creationists.
Okay, I owe you one answer now. I won’t ask you anymore questions until you ask me one. Then we’ll be even.(p.s. I should tell you in advance that I’m not fond of being asked question after question after question by the same person time and time again.
Yes, I have watched the video.
Actually, they are deposited both above and laterally. Technically, it is called prograding and has been know to geologists for a very, very long time.
No. You see, this is the deception Berthault is pulling. In his own experiment, the deeper layer is the one laid down first. Only if you change the reference frame of above and below from vertical (top to bottom) to oblique do you possibly find sediment that is younger beneath sediment that is older.
Well, intentionally misleading people…You make it sound like Guy Berthault is Dr. Evil and Peter Wilders is mini-me.
Do you think these guys actually know they are misleading people? Do they realize that their science is invalid? If so, why would they do it?
Yes, they know. It has been pointed out to them numerous times.
Intelligent people do not need to resort ti this kind of debate.
