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Polystrate Fossils
Two items on polystrate fossils (polystrate fossils are fossils that form across multiple layers of rock):

baraminology.blogspot.com/2007/05/polystrate-fossils.html
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Polystrate Fossils Require Rapid Deposition
creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/43/43_4/polystrate_fossils.htm
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The Joggins Fossil Cliffs
youtube.com/watch?v=A9eAz7xxvSk
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Proof Dinosaurs Lived With Man
youtube.com/watch?v=QmC4dwCcsUs&feature=related
Have you ever thought of trying a real science site? I have a whole list of them for you on my website down the right column. Course you are most free to believe that if you wish, but the Church sure doesn’t ask you to and is a bit worried that you do.
 
Have you ever thought of trying a real science site? I have a whole list of them for you on my website down the right column. Course you are most free to believe that if you wish, but the Church sure doesn’t ask you to and is a bit worried that you do.
By “real” shall I assume you mean Church-sanctioned?
 
If the earth was really millions of years old, after millions of years of rivers running into the ocean, a lot more salt would have been carried to the oceans and the oceans would be much saltier. That’s proof that the earth is only 6000 years old.
Neil,

I’ve posted a number of links to Talk Origins for you. It seems you have not taken the opportunity to spend much time there. So I’ll point you to this page there
talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html
and if you scroll down to Young Earth “Proof” No. 24 (about half way down the page), you will read the following
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**Young-earth "proof" #24: Given the rate of salt influx to the oceans, they should be much saltier than they are if the earth were billions of years old.**
  1. Dr. Hovind is assuming that salt cannot be removed from the oceans. The more sophisticated creationists, such as Melvin Cook, know better than to make that assumption. Here’s what Cook had to say:
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*The validity of the application of total salt in the ocean in the determination of age turned out to have a very simple answer in the fact shown by Goldschmidt (1954) that it is in steady state and therefore useless as a means of determining the age of the oceans. [Cook, 1966, p.73]
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(Dalrymple, 1984, pp.115-116)*
Thus, salt is being removed from the oceans as quickly as it is being added by the world’s rivers. Consequently, no age can be calculated, save a minimum age based upon an assumption of initial salt content. There is no comfort here for the young-earth creationist.
Scroll elsewhere through this set of pages, and you will be able to find similar discussion.😃
 
Only if you are incapable of understanding any geology whatsoever. Just more fiction about science from Ed.

Peace

Tim
Hi Tim:)

You, Alec and Zian are doing a splendid job. On the other hand, Ed and a few individuals aren’t making history.LOL! As a professional geologist Tim, I thought you would especially like knowing that Pope JOHN PAUL II recognized the importance of geology. His beatification of Niels Stensen on October 22, 1988 as Anatomist - Founder of Geology - Knight of God, Pope Paul said that he was “*a servant of God which means that through his life and actions, through his fidelity and perseverance, he became similar to the Lord himself. In this way he is an example and an inspiration for us all: for this we implore his help and intercession.” * And as a believer I am doing that right now, asking for Niels intercession and praying that the Holy Spirit guide us toward the truth. 🙂 (1) He was the Father of Geology and his principles ‘continue to be used today by geologists and paleontologists’. (2)

I finally received my journal Archaeology from the Archaeological Institue of America, January/February 2008, Volume 16, Number 1. It lists the Top 10 Discovereries of 2007. There’s a great article on page 26 ** KNM-ER 42700 and KnM-ER 42703 Lake Ileret, Kenya **by Zach Zorich. I’ll quote the last two paragraphs of the article which adds some depth to our discussion about evolution:

*A team of paleonthropolgists led by Meave and Louise Leakey of the Koobi Fora Research Project uncovered the upper jawbone of a H. Habilis dated to 1.44 million years ago, and the skull of a H. erectus dated to 1.55 million years ago. *H. habilis *was thought to have gradually evolved into *H. erectus *over hundreds of thousands of years, fading out of existence around 1.65 million years ago. A previously discovered *H. erectus *fossil dated to 1.9 million years combined with the new finds show the two species lived together in the same lake basin for close to 500,000 years.

“I think increasingly they will be recognized as sister species that lived in the same area and did different things,” says Fred Spoor of University College London and a member of the team. H. erectus’ smaller teeth and less powerful jaws suggest it was probably eating more meat. If the two species both evolved from a common ancestor, it changes the human race’s relationship to H. habilis, “strictly speaking, if our scenario is correct” says Spoor, “Homo habilis, as we know the species, seems to be a dead branch.”*

Another article from the same journal which I’m sure you and others will enjoy, especially PhilVaz:), is the Nebro-Sarsekim Tablet, The British Museum, UK by Laura Sexton located on page 24:

*Last June, Austrain Assyriologist Michael Jursa was doing what he has done since 1991, poring over the more than 100,000 undeciphered cuneiform tablestys in the British Museum. but while analyzing records from the Bablonian city of Sippar, he made a startling discovery with Biblical implications. It came in the unlikely form of a tablet noting a one-and-a-half pound gold donation to a temple made by an officical, or “chief eunuch,” Nebo-Sarsekim.

"At first I was just pleased to have found a reference to the title ‘chief eunuch,’ as these officials are mentioned very rarely in the sources, " says Jursa. “Then it suddenly came to me that this text was very close chronologically to an episode narrated in Jeremiah 39 in which Nebo-Sarsekim is mentioned, and that I might actually have found the very man. So then I got quite excited and instantly went and checked (and double-checked) the exact spelling of the name in the Hebrew Bible and saw that it matched what I had found in the Babylonian text!”

The tabelet is dated 595 B.C., the ninth year of Nebuchadnezzar II’s reign. The Book of Jeremiah relates that after Nebuchadnezzar took Jerusalem in 587 B.C., he committed the prophet Jeremiah to Nebro-Sarsekim’s care.

" It is so incrediably rare to find people appearing in the Bible, who are not kings, mentioned elsewhere," says Jursa. “Something like this tablet, where we see a person mentioned in the Bible making an everyday payment to the temple in Babylon and quoting the exact date, is quite extraordianry.”*
  1. vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1988/october/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19881022_beatificazione-stensen_en.html
    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...i_spe_19881022_beatificazione-stensen_en.html
  2. ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/steno.html
    Nicholas Steno
Moi’s Xmas present - an archaeological tour! And possibly excavating Maya ruins in Blue Creek, Belize!? 😃
 
“Science” is only human, and full of assumptions.

And, Science can get weird when it willingly leaves God out of the Big Picture.
:doh2:

Here are a few quotes from German-born American physisist Albert Einstein:

“The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.”

“…science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.”

“The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking.”

“To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists…is at the center of true religiousness.
In this sense…I belong to the ranks of devoutly religious men.”

-Some say he was a deist; some say he was an atheist; some say he was agnostic; and some say he was a God-fearing Jew…

You got me…🤷

Well, come to think of it, he now knows Jesus IS real! :yup:
:idea:

ROMANS 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,…" :bible1:

2 PETER 2
4 “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;…”

2 PETER 3
1 “Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder),
2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,
3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water,
6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men…”
 
“Science” is only human, and full of assumptions.
Nope. Hypotheses, Laws, Theories. Theories are the highest level, in which a natural phenomeon is not only predicted but also explained. This is done inductively, by collecting evidence and making inferences from the evidence.
And, Science can get weird when it willingly leaves God out of the Big Picture.
No more than plumbing is weird because it leaves God out of plumbing. Of course, neither science nor plumbing does it “willingly”; they just can’t approach “the Big Picture.” They are methodologically naturalistic. And the methodology is useless when it comes to talking about God.
 
*Naturalism: 3. Philosophy. The system of thought holding that all phenomena can be explained in terms of natural causes and laws without attributing moral, spiritual, or supernatural significance to them.
Naturalist: 2. One who believes in and follows the tenets of naturalism.
Atheist: One that disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
Agnostic: One who believes that there can be no proof of the existence of God, but does not deny the possibility that God exists.
Theism: Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world. -From, The Microsoft Bookshelf Dictionary.
Pantheism: Religious belief that either “Mother Nature,” “Mother Earth,” or the Universe itself, is God.

The Humanist magazine (Jan.-Feb. 1983) published the notorious article, “A Religion for a New Age,” offensively declaring: “The classroom must and will become the arena of conflict between the old and the new - the rotting corpse of Christianity…and the new faith in Humanism.”

Defensively, in his book, From Intimidation to Victory (1990), Jewish-Christian attorney Jay Sekulow further points out the fact that many humanist writers do refer to their Secular Humanism as a “world faith,” “a religion without a God,” even, “the next great religion of the world.” And, as a matter of fact, in a 1961 Supreme Court majority opinion, Justice Hugo L. Black included, “Secular Humanism,” in noting that several of the nation’s religions do not espouse a belief in the existence of God. -Let’s now assure Professor Paul Kurtz (and the rest), that we do not count him, nor any of Secular Humanism’s cloak-and-dagger offenses outside the realm of the religious. -A classic example of Humanism’s long religious war against God. Could O.J. Simpson’s lawyer Jonnie Cochran, et al., (or the Devil’s own) have such damning evidence overlooked?

The plot has thickened since Humanist Manifesto 1 (1933), since it was stated in many ways:
“To establish such a religion is a major necessity of the present.”
1st: “Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created.” (*Naturalism.)
7th: “Religion consists…and…includes…science…” (Humanism’s Naturalism is religious.)
8th: “Religious humanism considers…”
9th: “…the humanists finds his religious emotions expressed in…”
10th: “…no…religious emotions…associated with the belief in the supernatural.” (Religiously biased.)
12th: “…religious humanists aim…”
13th: “Religious humanism maintains…”
“So stand the theses of religious humanism. Though we consider the religious form and ideas of our fathers no longer adequate…”

“From the Divine Word, the Sacred Scripture and Nature did both alike proceed…” –Galileo Galilei, Galileo’s letters of 1613-15.
The Italian physicist and astronomer, who stood for freedom of inquiry.

“The natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit (of God)…” -Paul, the Apostle.
1st Corinthians 2:14. The 1st Century A.D.

And, He really gets down to earth:

“I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe;
how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”
–Jesus, the Christ, the KING. John 3:12.
 
In the Preface to the Humanist Manifesto 2 (1973), Grinch Paul Kurtz religiously professes:
“As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially faith in the prayer-hearing God, assumed to love and care for persons, to hear and understand their prayers, and to be able to do something about them, is an unproved and outmoded faith. Salvationism, based on mere affirmation, still appears as harmful, diverting people with false hopes of heaven hereafter. Reasonable minds look to other means for survival.”

Well, fudge. Please tell me if the above is, or is not, “The fudging of science with religiosity…” Who is assuming? According to Ebenezer Kurtz’s current defense article, he still religiously assumes that no God ever exists, in the name of, “defending the integrity of scientific inquiry” - while making asses of you and me! -As God-fearing taxpayers blindly pay the tithe for a humanistic-tainted education.
(Those who do not consider their atheism to be “religious” will still have a similar philosophical outlook.)

Some recognize these narrow religious humanistic tenets (beliefs) to a certain notable degree, as they have found ways into our educational institutions, in the name of Science, and other causes. Since Humanism’s cloaking-devices became operational, they have so influenced the Press, Hollywood and public television (undetected), that their contrived ploy has become more and more of an accepted mindset for many now-assuming viewers and readers.
(The Assumption: “Life originated by natural causes - without a God.”)

At the tip of the iceberg, some teachers and narrators unknowingly promote religious Secular Humanism. With others, what was once so subtle, is now blatantly pushed, and adamantly taught. Humanists do not want an intelligent design argument, nor any creation science “propaganda” considered. Not necessarily because of, “a wall of separation between church and state,” but, simply, because it is not in the spirit and interests of religious Secular Humanism. According to the Humanist Manifestos, Paul Kurtz and the current movement: creation thinking would be a regretful sacrilege to them! Their no-God “religiosity” is nothing short of the fanatical in establishing an invisible pulpit in our presumed neutral school classrooms. -Humanists (and other “unbelievers”) oppose anyone hindering their anti-God, pro-humanist agenda.

Many renowned scientists and teachers in history have humbly acknowledged God as their Creator. Secular Humanism undermines and tries to exclude the fact from the creation scientists’ testimonies and biographies, as if we owe it all to religious Humanism and Naturalism for Science itself. The so-called purely scientific religious secular humanists think they can wrest their flawed case, while having their cake, and eating it too. -Knowing humanist nature: Who is imposing, “an unwarranted religious doctrine in science?” With their cloaking-devices temporarily damaged, one can’t help but see their untrue colors.

In fieldwork studies, publications, and debates with non-creationists, scientific creationists can, and have for long applied their scientific methods rather successfully. –And, in needed historical retrospect, it should be noted that:
“Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626),Lord Chancellor of England, is considered primarily responsible for the formulation and establishment of the scientific method. Sir Francis was a devout believer in the Bible.”
And, “Even though Galileo (1564-1642) was officially censured for his *heliocentric teachings by the Church, he himself believed the Bible and that it supported his views (of God’s special creation.”) -Henry M. Morris, Ph.D., Men of Science, Men of God (1988), Master Books, pp. 12, 13, 22. www.icr.org *The planets orbit the Sun.

In addition, Norman Geisler, Ph.D. (Loyola), in his book, lists,
“Creationists Who Founded Modern Science: Kepler-Astronomy; Pascal-Hydrostatics; Boyle-Chemistry; Newton-Physics; Steno-Stratigraphy; Faraday-Magnetic theory; Babbage-Computers; Agassiz-Ichthyology; Simpson-Gynecology; Mendel-Genetics; Pasteur-Bacteriology; Kelvin-Thermodynamics; Lister-Antiseptic surgery; Maxwell-Electrodynamics; and Ramsay-Isotopic chemistry.” –When Skeptics Ask (1990), Victor Books, pg. 214.
 
God is so great he has no need of man made explanations for his Creation. more so than ever evolution theory is being exposed for just that a theory, and its dawn was in the anti God movement.
stay with the faith which DOES NOT contradict science
God Bless
 
The difference between Operation Science and The Science of Origins -
as illustrated by Norman Geisler, Ph.D., in his book, When Skeptics Ask:

“Operation science deals with the way things normally operate. It examines how the world normally works in the present. It studies things that happen over and over again in a regular and repeated way. Operation science seeks answers that are testable by repeating the experiment over and over, and falsifiable if the cause does not always yield the same effect. Its conclusions should allow one to project what will happen in future experiments. Operation science likes things to be very regular and predictable. No changes; no surprises. So the idea of a supernatural being…is strongly resisted. Because of this, it usually seeks out natural (secondary) causes for the events it studies.” (p.214)

“Origin science is not just another name for giving evidence to support creationism. It is a different kind of science. Origin science studies past singularities, rather than present normalities. It looks at how things began, not how they work. It studies things that happened only once and, by their nature, don’t happen again. It is a different type of study that requires a different approach. Rather than being an empirical science like physics or biology, it is more like a forensic science. Remember the TV show about a medical examiner named Quincy? Each week he tried to find out what and/or who caused a past singularity (a person’s death) by examining the effect and deciding what kind of thing could have caused that event. That is what origin science seeks to do.” (p.215)

“Now origin science works on different principles than operation science does. Since the past events that it studies cannot be repeated today, it uses analogies between the kinds of cause/effect relationships that we see today and the kind of effect that is being studied. Also, origin science does not claim to give definitive answers, but only plausible ones. We did not observe the events of origins, and we cannot repeat them (just as Quincy could not ask the murderer to kill the victim again). So the remaining evidence must be studied and interpretations of it measured by what seems most likely to explain the evidence. And just as operation science recognizes that some events demand an intelligent cause, origin science also admits an intelligent cause when the evidence calls for it.” (p.215)​

Some folks say that there is no room for such an approach (that considers creationism at all) in Science. Since folks are talking about the Science of Origins, isn’t it automatic that we do look for creation evidences along with the naturalistic? And, if and when such evidences are apparent, should it not be at least noted, if not mentioned? Or, would that be, “politically incorrect?”

So, when any scientist or mad scientist can find or produce conditions in the lab (or elsewhere) that will allow the observation of the generation of a life’s origin (from non-life), then we can lean toward the “theory” (idea) of biogenetic evolution as fact, and not science fiction, aye?
-Maybe, “Science is only human” after all.
 
“Darwin, it has become commonplace to acknowledge, never really addressed the “origin of species” in his book of that title.” –Niles Eldredge, Ph.D. (geologist, paleontologist, and atheist), “Progress in Evolution?” -New Scientist, vol. 110 (June 5, 1986), pg. 55. -On: Darwin’s Origin of Species by Natural Selection (1859) (Ch. 6.)

“Much of what Darwin taught has been rejected and surpassed by modern evolutionists, but the doctrine of natural selection has been maintained.” –Geisler, When Skeptics Ask, pg. 212. {Darwin’s Gradualism Vs. Punctuated Equilibrium.}

“Creationists, of course, have always argued that, while natural selection is a real process that serves to eliminate unfit organisms, it could never create the complex, wonderfully adapted organisms found in the living world.” –H.M. Morris, The Modern Creation Trilogy, vol. 2, Science & Creation (1996), Master Books, pg. 34.

“Their theory (Niles Eldredge & Stephen Jay Gould’s Punctuated Equilibrium)…appears to be based solely on the absence of transitional fossils. Darwin, after all, understood suddenness to be evidence of Creation. If this is true, then it supports what Creationists said all along – the sudden appearance of fully formed animals is evidence of Creation.” –Geisler, pg. 231.

“If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” -Charles Darwin, in The Origin of Species.

“To Darwin, the cell was a “black box” -its inner workings were utterly mysterious to him. Now, the black box has been opened up and we know how it works. Applying Darwin’s test to the ultra-complex world of molecular machinery and cellular systems that have been discovered over the past 40 years, we can say that Darwin’s theory has “absolutely broken down.” -Michael Behe, biochemist and author of Darwin’s Black Box.
 
Many scientific documentaries and news articles start out with, or contain phrases like, “Scientists believe…” Which really means, “Scientists believe (but have not proven)…” - yes? (Take that with a grain of salt.) -Which leaves plenty of room for some reasonable doubts, and the benefit of debate (forensics), to say the least.

In Science, all of the scientists (theists, atheists, and agnostics) should always be guaranteed the freedom of inquiry. And all governing legislation (legislators, school boards, and educational institutions) should seek, if not endeavor, to maintain a realistic freedom. And, concerning the known differing views in the Science of Origins held by scientists: The Creation Model, with Intelligent Design (I.D.) is forensically scientific – if not more so than Darwin’s mere *Naturalism: The (godless, and/or homogenized) Evolutionary Model. Yet, ironically, a Court in Pennsylvania has rendered Intelligent Design “unconstitutional” – for having the notion and implying (in the classroom) that there is an observable scientific clue or two of a Creator – Maker - Designer. And, unfortunately, Ohio’s School Board of Education also recently rejected Intelligent Design (Feb.'06) as a viable scientific and educational alternative, thus making Darwinism (*Naturalism) their only politically correct scientific explanation for our origin, existence and purpose in the universe. news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/NEWS01/602150396/1056.
 
In, “The Supreme Court Decision And Its Meaning,”
an evaluation of Louisiana’s 1987
“Act for Balanced Treatment of Creation Science and Evolution,” it states:
  • “Creation-science is the scientific evidence supporting abrupt appearance in complex form. That evidence includes the abrupt appearance of complex life in the fossil record, the systematic gaps between fossil categories, the genetic limits on possible change, and the vast information content of all living organisms [DNA, etc.].
    Seven judges of the Fifth U.S. Court of Appeals (the lower court decision) forcefully agreed in a dissenting opinion, that creation-science indeed is scientific, as well as that balanced treatment for a creation-science and evolution indeed is constitutional.” -Wendell R. Bird, J.D. (Yale). –IMPACT article (No. 170), The Institute for Creation Research (ICR).
    Attorney Wendell R. Bird’s entire concise evaluation (No. 170) may be reviewed at: icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=type&ID=2
There is an interesting little 31-page book, Humanist Manifestos 1 & 2 (Editor: Professor Paul Kurtz, Ph.D., and atheist). Many atheists, agnostics and theists have read it. Have you read it?

In Professor Paul Kurtz’s circulated article, “In Defense of Secularism” (Wyoming’s: The Casper Star Tribune), he claims he is, “defending the integrity of scientific inquiry,” and labels scientific creationism, “The fudging of science with religiosity,” and that creationists are, “imposing an unwarranted religious doctrine in science.” And then the professor insinuated having no claim or hint of a religiousness himself in his so-called purely scientific “quest,” as he consistently implied that we might cast him with others in the realm of, “Those who do not profess a religion…”

And, so, in knowing better - cut to the quick - and rationally compelled: I further wrote The Tribune…

Well, is humanist Paul Kurtz the absent-minded professor? Or, is this the old cloaking-device? As the chairman of the Council for Secular Humanism, and as the editor of their small cultic book, Humanist Manifestos 1 & 2 (1973), he actually professes in the first sentence of the Preface:
“Humanism is a philosophical, religious, and moral point of view as old as human civilization itself.”:banghead: (“Curses! Foiled again!”)

DUH! Ya. And, it’s getting older…
👍
 
Many scientific documentaries and news articles start out with, or contain phrases like, “Scientists believe…” Which really means, “Scientists believe (but have not proven)…” - yes? (Take that with a grain of salt.) -Which leaves plenty of room for some reasonable doubts, and the benefit of debate (forensics), to say the least.
That’s one interpretation yes. The other is that the producers of the program might be worried about the impact of the theories they are putting forward, and feel that calling them beliefs might just soften the blow.

A documentary that started, “Scientists know for a fact that humans contribute to global warming. There are those that don’t, but usually they are the ones that say that nicotine isn’t addictive.” Would probably lose more of it’s audience than one that said, “Scientists believe…”
 
God is so great he has no need of man made explanations for his Creation. more so than ever evolution theory is being exposed for just that a theory, and its dawn was in the anti God movement.
stay with the faith which DOES NOT contradict science
God Bless]

CreosMary, your claim that evolution is “just a theory” suggests that you haven’t studied any philosophy of science. Your declaration that "evolution’s…dawn was in the anti God movement suggests that you haven’t studied the history of theology. Am I correct?
Petrus
 
“From the Divine Word, the Sacred Scripture and Nature did both alike proceed…” –Galileo Galilei, Galileo’s letters of 1613-15.
The Italian physicist and astronomer, who stood for freedom of inquiry.
Tah Dah Man, I hope you read my message 780! As far as your quote above, “From the Divine Word, the Sacred Scripture and Nature did both alike proceed…” –Galileo Galilei, Galileo’s letters of 1613-15., I’d like YOU to direct me where Galileo made that statement. Check for GALILEO GALILEI LINCEO’s letters here:
Hit Correspondance then Letters:
Carteggio (indice) (vol. XX)
Carteggio (vol. XIX)
Carteggio 1574-1610 (vol.X)
Carteggio 1611-1613 (vol. XI)
Carteggio 1614-1619 (vol XII)
Carteggio 1620-1628 (vol. XIII)
Carteggio 1629-1632 (vol. XIV)
Carteggio 1633 (vol. XV)
Carteggio 1634-1636 (vol. XVI)
Carteggio 1637-1638 (vol. XVII)
Carteggio 1639-1642 (vol. XVIII)
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St Albert Magnus, St Thomas Aquinas, St Lois Bonnaventure, St Frances of Assisi, St Ignacio de Loyola, the Venerable John Henry Newman. They were all proscience.
 
oh, I forgot to mention that these days we have the reverse situation from that of the olden days. Today we have the history of science and the philosophy of theology. We have come a long way, BABY! 😃 Haven’t we?
 
oh, I forgot to mention that these days we have the reverse situation from that of the olden days. Today we have the history of science and the philosophy of theology. We have come a long way, BABY! 😃 Haven’t we?
Wildleafblower, what is “philosophy of theology”? I’m not familiar with this term.
 
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