Thank-you Pope Francis!

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Metis1 said:
Such changes do not come that easily for some, much like one of my former neighbors decades ago who was terribly angry with Pope John and Vatican II and the changes that came out of it.

I grew up in an era that if your best friend got married in one of those “other churches” you couldn’t even go to the service let alone stand up for the wedding. I’m glad those days are gone, but some don’t see it that way, which is their right of course.
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The doctrines of the Church have not changed. Pope Francis may have signed a peace declaration with men of other religions but he did not change doctrine. The Catholic church is still the only place to find salvation. Salvation is of the Catholic church, not anywhere else.

Going to a wedding of two non-Catholics in a non-Catholic church is one thing but a Catholic should not stand up for or support a Catholic marrying outside the Church without permission from their priest.
 
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It’s interesting, I found this article on Pope Benedict and Islam.

Pope Benedict XVI and Islam - Wikipedia

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I really think a lot of Catholics don’t pay real close attention to the happenings, they don’t feel it really affects them. I also think one could be critical of others.
 
CradleRC58 said:
I’d call them orthodox.
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How do you square that with their dissent from the Church’s teaching on the Second Vatican Council and the subsequent liturgical reform?

Without mental gymnastics… it ain’t possible
 
Thank you for bringing Vatican II into the discussion.

From BXVI
“Anyone who wishes to be obedient to the Council has to accept the faith professed over the centuries, and cannot sever the roots from which the tree draws its life.”

If I posted that without giving credit to the pope that wrote it, would you call me Fringe ?

If a Catholic understands and embraces what has been professed throughout the centuries, they are orthodox.

Catholics who are orthodox do not display dissent when they question something said or proposed by their clergy if it flies in the face of Doctrine. They have every right to question it. They have a right to clarification.

Rotate Caeli appears to be of the same mindset of Benedict XVI. Before he resigned they displayed the photo of him on their home page just as they do Pope Francis.

Unless you honestly equate fringe with orthodox through a misunderstanding of what it means to be an orthodox Catholic, you’re flirting with papolitry.

I’m not trying to call you out. I’m just pointing out that orthodox Catholics are simply well within their right to question what appears to be heterodox. It may not be heterodox but if it appears to be, they/we are going to voice their concerns.

The mix of different religions in the world today may very well be permitted by God’s will. Everything we can point to is His will. But that which contradicts the words of His Son our Savior will always be rejected by orthodox Catholics. World without end.
 
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CradleRC58 said:
Thank you for bringing Vatican II into the discussion.
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You’re welcome.

Rorate Caeli opening and aggressively dissents from the teaching of the Church relative to the documents on Divine Revelation and Ecumenism (same as the SSPX). And they dissent and claim as invalid the Holy Mass as reformed post VII.

Yes, as a Catholic one has to profess all that the Church teaches…PB XBI was correct… that requirement does not stop just before VII, it includes it.

So that website and those like it…aren’t Orthodox as they do adhere to the Church’s teaching in several important and authoritative teachings.

Again many, many thanks to Pope Francis for his Christ-like example
 
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Do you know which document that quote from Benedict XVI came from ?
 
In that letter he lectured not only the SSPX but also pointed out that some unpleasant things had happened in church circles.

Right there is an example of a pope who was wrongly questioned by some of his Bishops.

This current document we are discussing that was signed by Pope Francis does not resemble that situation in any way.

This time around it concerns Doctrine.
 
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On individual articles, I do believe it needs to be mentioned that often people say don’t shoot the messenger, address the message. Here, we are spending posts talking down Rorate Caeli. Fine, one has disagreements with them but this is not what the thread is about in particular.
 
I’d like to thank the bishop who tried to give a clarification on the potentially confusing statement.
 
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