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Books and the Internet can do that. Unlike the middle-ages, most people can read today.
I couldn’t help but chuckle about the idea of “the media” having anything to say at all about such changes in the church…I was thinking more along the lines of having year-round RCIA classes and retreats readily available and waiting for the huge masses of converts that would be flooding the Churches as soon as the media caught wind of the remarkable turn-around that the Church had made…
I don’t know that this would be practicalIn the confessionals, the Priests would order a few classes as penance.
Education needs to be first last and always in the Catholic faith…It is so rich and deep and beautiful…I was just thinking that it would be better to get people in the doors and registered first, and then worry about education after that.
No problem my friend.…but I’m beginning to think that I am probably wrong now. I’m not too proud to admit my mistakes, but it was good to get it off my chest anyways.![]()
Until then, as faithful Catholics we are to follow and defend the current rules.Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut David, and I know that the Pope was given the authority to bind and loosen, which is why I believe it’s important to talk about this… Between Catholics with strong faith -because if the Pope has the authority to loosen, then it theoretically can be done. I’m just saying that I think it would be a good thing, possibly better than what we currently have in place.
This is my last comment in this thread then I’m out.Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut David, and I know that the Pope was given the authority to bind and loosen, which is why I believe it’s important to talk about this… Between Catholics with strong faith -because if the Pope has the authority to loosen, then it theoretically can be done. I’m just saying that I think it would be a good thing, possibly better than what we currently have in place.
LOL!Also it is a weeding out process to ensure that those who want to join will not change their mind later.
Actually in a sense it is…Not unlike the first “weeding out” process that is written about in “John 6”…Originally Posted by TEPO
Also it is a weeding out process to ensure that those who want to join will not change their mind later.
Granted that by the time most people start RCIA, they have already worked through most of their issues and are determined to come into the Church, but still…I think that there can be this “weeding out” aspect…
Peace
James
Initially, when I considered your post I thought, “Perhaps. Okay.”Actually in a sense it is…Not unlike the first “weeding out” process that is written about in “John 6”…
Granted that by the time most people start RCIA, they have already worked through most of their issues and are determined to come into the Church, but still…I think that there can be this “weeding out” aspect…
Peace
James
Just curious, but when are Catholics usually taught this concept of “grave matter”, because I honestly never learned it in school growing up… I mean I’ve just never heard of it until I came to CAF. So is it taught in RCIA?
THESE ARE indications from Christ that there is a GREATER amount of sins than meet the eye. READ: 1 Jn.1:8-10 [on sin] and 1 Jn. 5:16-17 on mortal /venial sins and John 20:19-23 on the absolute necessity to Confess ones sins to a Catholic Priest IN ORDER FOR GOD TO GRANT HIS FORGIVENESSI was only taught that the 10 commandments were mortal sins.
The Canons do change though. That is doctrinal fact in itself.This is my last comment in this thread then I’m out.
The authority to loose does not apply to infallible teachings. Infallible teachings cannot even theoretically be changed.
Okay.The Canons do change though. That is doctrinal fact in itself.
(and you’re always welcome to post here!)
The link is hilarious…LOL!
RCIA is a “weeding out process”? As in “there are thousands of folks absolutely clamoring to become Catholic and we have to get rid of the bad peeps”?
whatshouldwecallme.tumblr.com/post/21990205865/when-i-see-a-guy-wearing-cargo-shorts
Of course, I don’t believe that the Church can eliminate or create new truths according to dogmas or the CCC or anything on matters of faith and morals at all, but I think it’s clear that the Church was given a Living Magesterium which allows us to adapt to the world around us as well as the ability to adapt to new sins such as artificial birth control.Okay.
Whether you are reading them in the CCC or Canon Law, infallible doctrines of the Church cannot change, even theoretically.
In case we have been talking at cross purpose let me clarify. Doctrines cannot change. Disciplines, on the other hand, can change. The examples you give (indulgences, changes to the Mass, allowing Orthodox to receive Communion) come under disciplinary law. They are not doctrines.Girl altar servers, the sale of indulgences, allowing the Orthodox to receive our Communion, the Mass itself, etc… These are all changes… The binding and loosening of rules.
Of course, I don’t believe that the Church can eliminate or create new truths according to dogmas or the CCC or anything on matters of faith and morals at all, but I think it’s clear that the Church was given a Living Magesterium which allows us to adapt to the world around us as well as the ability to adapt to new sins such as artificial birth control.
Those who think that nothing ever changes at all are the Orthodox. They are the ones who are living in the year 200AD, because they don’t have a Pope who possesses the keys. They think the keys were returned to God when the last Apostle died.
But they are right that there is no more Divine Revelation (Public Revelation). But we Catholics do believe in “Private Revelation”.
catholic.com/tracts/private-revelation
Because I know Luther’s big problem was about the indulgences, and I know he was slamming the Canons because of it. So because that did in fact deal with the Canons, the Church eventually changed that, because the Canons are mere disciplines. But the problem with Luther was the way he went about it.In case we have been talking at cross purpose let me clarify. Doctrines cannot change. Disciplines, on the other hand, can change. The examples you give (indulgences, changes to the Mass, allowing Orthodox to receive Communion) come under disciplinary law. They are not doctrines.
On the other hand ABC is a doctrine and cannot be changed.
I’m okay with discussing doctrines (which cannot change) and disciplines (which can change). My earlier points were simply that we should be careful in saying any doctrines should be changed to allow more people to become Catholics because they can’t be changed, not even theoretically.Because I know Luther’s big problem was about the indulgences, and I know he was slamming the Canons because of it. So because that did in fact deal with the Canons, the Church eventually changed that, because the Canons are mere disciplines. But the problem with Luther was the way he went about it.
The thing is that even though the Canons do change, Catholics are expected to respect them and were expected to respect the church leaders at the same time. It was Luthers disrespect and outright vicious acts that got him excommunicated.
But while I think discussing the Canons is walking on the edge of what is acceptable, I still think there is a way to do it without falling into sin -if one is careful.
Would you mind sharing your sources for this position?=TEPO;9724046]…because there are different levels of hell.
Well, we know that there is limbo, purgatory and hell. Also, the Church does pray for the dead. But as far as other levels of hell, I’m not exactly sure. I did hear once before that there were levels of “happiness” in hell, and that some are worse off than others… But again, I can’t say for sure.Would you mind sharing your sources for this position?
God Bless,
pat/PJM