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TEPO
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Books and the Internet can do that. Unlike the middle-ages, most people can read today.
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JRKH
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I couldn’t help but chuckle about the idea of “the media” having anything to say at all about such changes in the church…
As for having year round RCIA and retreats, that would be wonderful…If only there were enough instructors, deacons and priests to handle all of it…
For now - each diocese does the best they can.
And just as an additional note…If a person truly feels that they have no need of RCIA (maybe they are a protestant minister who has been studying the Church for some time) and/or have some good reason not to wait for Easter Vigil, they can request to meet with the pastor of the parish and he can “quiz them” If he is satisfied, they can be received into the Church the next Sunday…
But in most cases, it’s best to go through RCIA anyway.
I don’t know that this would be practical
Education needs to be first last and always in the Catholic faith…It is so rich and deep and beautiful…
No problem my friend.…but I’m beginning to think that I am probably wrong now. I’m not too proud to admit my mistakes, but it was good to get it off my chest anyways.
You are right that it is good to get these things off one’s chest.
These kinds of conversations are important. In a sense it is Mt 18:15-18 in action. I am not saying you have sinned in any way, but rather that conversations start out small and then , if need be, involve more and more people, and if ultimately necessary…it’s taken before “The Church”…It’s how doctrines and practices evolve…
Peace
James
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davidv
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Until then, as faithful Catholics we are to follow and defend the current rules.
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thistle
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This is my last comment in this thread then I’m out.
The authority to loose does not apply to infallible teachings. Infallible teachings cannot even theoretically be changed.
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PRmerger
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LOL!
RCIA is a “weeding out process”? As in “there are thousands of folks absolutely clamoring to become Catholic and we have to get rid of the bad peeps”?
whatshouldwecallme.tumblr.com/post/21990205865/when-i-see-a-guy-wearing-cargo-shorts
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PRmerger
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Initially, when I considered your post I thought, “Perhaps. Okay.”
Now, I’m thinking, “Not so much.”
Imagine being interested in the Catholic Church, you go to your first RCIA meeting, and the priest/deacon announces, “This is a weeding out process.”
No one would blame the interested party if he left right then and there. I know I wouldn’t. I’d actually follow the guy out the door and make an embarrassed explication, “I’m sorry. Father didn’t really mean it like that!”
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PJM
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Originally Posted by TEPO
Sin is always “saying” NO! to God on some matter.
Mortal sin is saying NO! to God on Serious matters and require that three elements be present
*1. Serious matter
2. Knowledge before committing the sin that what one is about to do is a MORTAL SIN
3. Desiring to do it any way with “deliberate consent” [EVEN IF NOT DONE!
CCC #2484 The gravity of a lie is measured against the nature of the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims. If a lie in itself only constitutes a venial sin, it becomes mortal when it does grave injury to the virtues of justice and charity.
The issue of “serious matter” can be judged on this criteria:
If one were ask a group of Informed practicing Catholics is “x action” is a mortal sin and more than half say yes; then it is. BUT whenever in doubt disucss the matter with your Confessor-Priest.
Pat /PJM**
THESE ARE indications from Christ that there is a GREATER amount of sins than meet the eye. READ: 1 Jn.1:8-10 [on sin] and 1 Jn. 5:16-17 on mortal /venial sins and John 20:19-23 on the absolute necessity to Confess ones sins to a Catholic Priest IN ORDER FOR GOD TO GRANT HIS FORGIVENESS
Sin is always “saying” NO! to God on some matter.
Mortal sin is saying NO! to God on Serious matters and require that three elements be present
*1. Serious matter
2. Knowledge before committing the sin that what one is about to do is a MORTAL SIN
3. Desiring to do it any way with “deliberate consent” [EVEN IF NOT DONE!
CCC #2484 The gravity of a lie is measured against the nature of the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims. If a lie in itself only constitutes a venial sin, it becomes mortal when it does grave injury to the virtues of justice and charity.
2302 By recalling the commandment, “You shall not kill,” our Lord asked for peace of heart and denounced murderous anger and hatred as immoral.
Anger is a desire for revenge. “To desire vengeance in order to do evil to someone who should be punished is illicit,” but it is praiseworthy to impose restitution “to correct vices and maintain justice.” If anger reaches the point of a deliberate desire to kill or seriously wound a neighbor, it is gravely against charity; it is a mortal sin. The Lord says, “Everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.”The issue of “serious matter” can be judged on this criteria:
If one were ask a group of Informed practicing Catholics is “x action” is a mortal sin and more than half say yes; then it is. BUT whenever in doubt disucss the matter with your Confessor-Priest.
- EVERY Commandment has within it’s catagory of sins; at least the POTENTAIL for Mortal sins to exist; BUT also the potential for Venial sins.
Pat /PJM**
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TEPO
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Listen, listen, listen… I’ve realized why I was wrong! It’s because it’s one thing to allow people to “walk away” like the Disciples who walked away from Jesus than it is to be like Judas! …which is even worse.
RCIA is a process that allows people to walk away (God forbid), but woah to those who become Catholic only to eventually blaspheme and betray Gods Church… It was my mistake.
RCIA is a process that benefits the Catechumen… For the sake of his own soul… Not for the sake of our Church.
RCIA is a process that allows people to walk away (God forbid), but woah to those who become Catholic only to eventually blaspheme and betray Gods Church… It was my mistake.
RCIA is a process that benefits the Catechumen… For the sake of his own soul… Not for the sake of our Church.
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TEPO
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…because there are different levels of hell.
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TEPO
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The Canons do change though. That is doctrinal fact in itself.
(and you’re always welcome to post here!
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thistle
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Okay.The Canons do change though. That is doctrinal fact in itself.
(and you’re always welcome to post here!
Whether you are reading them in the CCC or Canon Law, infallible doctrines of the Church cannot change, even theoretically.
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TEPO
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The link is hilarious…
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TEPO
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Of course, I don’t believe that the Church can eliminate or create new truths according to dogmas or the CCC or anything on matters of faith and morals at all, but I think it’s clear that the Church was given a Living Magesterium which allows us to adapt to the world around us as well as the ability to adapt to new sins such as artificial birth control.
Those who think that nothing ever changes at all are the Orthodox. They are the ones who are living in the year 200AD, because they don’t have a Pope who possesses the keys. They think the keys were returned to God when the last Apostle died.
But they are right that there is no more Divine Revelation (Public Revelation). But we Catholics do believe in Private Revelation.
catholic.com/tracts/private-revelation
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TEPO
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Private Revelation is based on the relationship between the Pope and the Holy Spirit.
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thistle
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In case we have been talking at cross purpose let me clarify. Doctrines cannot change. Disciplines, on the other hand, can change. The examples you give (indulgences, changes to the Mass, allowing Orthodox to receive Communion) come under disciplinary law. They are not doctrines.
On the other hand ABC is a doctrine and cannot be changed.
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TEPO
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Because I know Luther’s big problem was about the indulgences, and I know he was slamming the Canons because of it. So because that did in fact deal with the Canons, the Church eventually changed that, because the Canons are mere disciplines. But the problem with Luther was the way he went about it.
The thing is that even though the Canons do change, Catholics are expected to respect them and were expected to respect the church leaders at the same time. It was Luthers disrespect and outright vicious acts that got him excommunicated.
But while I think discussing the Canons is walking on the edge of what is acceptable, I still think there is a way to do it without falling into sin -if one is careful.
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I’m okay with discussing doctrines (which cannot change) and disciplines (which can change). My earlier points were simply that we should be careful in saying any doctrines should be changed to allow more people to become Catholics because they can’t be changed, not even theoretically.
You are right that Catholics are bound not only by Church teachings but also by Canon Law. Of course, that does not mean we are not allowed to discuss them.
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PJM
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Would you mind sharing your sources for this position?
God Bless,
pat/PJM
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TEPO
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Well, we know that there is limbo, purgatory and hell. Also, the Church does pray for the dead. But as far as other levels of hell, I’m not exactly sure. I did hear once before that there were levels of “happiness” in hell, and that some are worse off than others… But again, I can’t say for sure.
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