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The “illustrious” Sovereign Grand Commander Is a 33rd degree Ancient and accepted Scottish Rite Freemason. He must be something like the opposite of a Bishop for his jurisdiction. Who’s Ronald A. Seale?
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Albert Pike was elected as Sovereign Grand Commander in 1859. He was also a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Freemason. 
How could a Freemason “honestly” not know this…
How could a Freemason “honestly” not know this…
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TEPO
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Are you a Freemason, Allen? …because it seems like you started complicating this thread at a certain point. You started with mind boggling inventions, and now you’ve moved to fictional cartoon characters.
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AlanFromWichita
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Sorry.Are you a Freemason, Allen? …because it seems like you started complicating this thread at a certain point. You started with mind boggling inventions, and now you’ve moved to fictional cartoon characters.
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gamewell45
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Now that I can relate to.
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gamewell45
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Oh ok; i’m not familiar with that since its out of mainline freemasonry; its a concordant body in which one must be a Master Mason to become a member. Freemasonry ends with the third degree (blue lodge).
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gamewell45
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You’d be amazed; not all of us are as well versed with the concordant bodies as you’d like.Albert Pike was elected as Sovereign Grand Commander in 1859. He was also a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Freemason.
How could a Freemason “honestly” not know this…
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It’s okay Allen, I still respect you’re ideas and you’re style… But are you a Mason – yes or no?
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TEPO
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…but last year, on another thread you told me that there was absolutely no governing body involved within Freemasonry, and you assured me of this as a Freemason yourself. Now when I mention the “sovereign Commander” -A term that indicates governance, you say that you’re not really familiar with the details of much of Freemasonry at all.You’d be amazed; not all of us are as well versed with the concordant bodies as you’d like.
Well, if you’re not familiar with Freemasonry, then how/why do you feel compelled to defend it when you don’t really know anything about it? There is no honesty in that.
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gamewell45
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I’m not familiar with the governing body of concordant bodies. I’m familiar with Blue Lodge
Freemasonry as most of the craft are. Nowhere in any of these threads have I indicated a full knowledge of Blue Lodge nor concordant bodies.
If your challenging my honesty in these threads, then perhaps we ought not have dialogue between us in here. Nothing positive to be gained if we cannot trust one another.
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What I’m saying is that if you do not have full knowledge of what Freemasonry teaches, or it’s structure or it’s mission, then I can’t understand why you defend it…
…I only say this because there are so many spiritual leaders from all over the world who make similar claims that Freemasonry is bound by evil motives and goals. And If one takes part in this while choosing to be ignorant of the possibility that there is evil involved, then he becomes an accomplice because as Christians, we are obliged to uncover truth.
*"1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
- by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
- by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
- by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
- by protecting evil-doers.
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6D.HTM
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I only defend what I believe I have reasonable knowledge of. And if I don’t I try to make it very clear.
I fully realize that some religious leaders around the world feel that freemasonry is bound by evil motives and goals. That is their opinion and they are entitled to such; likewise there are other religious leaders who have no issue with freemasonry and in fact some are members of the craft. Freemasonry respects all opinions and for those who find the craft incompatible with their religious beliefs, that is their right and we totally respect their decision. Again, keep in mind that this is Blue Lodge I’m talking about.
I am not going to challenge you on your religious convictions since I respect other viewpoints and it would be improper to do such. Go in peace.
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AlanFromWichita
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No.
Closest I came was to attend an FAA safety meeting for pilots they held in the Masonic Lodge downtown. Oh yeah, and my son worked for a caterer and they catered a couple dinners there at the Scottish Rite building.
Honestly, I couldn’t care less about Masons one way or the other, but whenever I hear someone making the claim that someone else is guaranteed hell because of a group they belong to, and that the Church pronounces that membership in this group constitutes mortal sin, it’s going to get my attention. She doesn’t even do that for abortion. It’s automatic self-excommunication, but local confessors are allowed at their discretion discretion to forgive anyway if they think there was not full knowledge and consent. So killing a child is forgiveable but being a Mason isn’t. :ehh: Oh well I’m sure there are plenty of good reasons things are the way they are.
Just seems there has to be much more to this picture than meets the eye. I smell either bad information, or some serious church and/or state political issues. That would explain such a situation, but I don’t know how it could be justified on a mystical level – and to me that’s what’s important is how does all this go down spiritually. If I am confused about how something works, then I’m liable to misapply it in a new situation I haven’t seen before. Spirits just don’t line up and count off like animated human bodies do. Least I imagine they don’t.
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I’ve thought of a reason the Church might be officially against some group.
Jesus came to divide.
When you divide people and cause them to look down on each other and/or fight, everybody learns a lot more than if they had just sat around contemplating their navels and frolicked with the bunnies.
And we know this is one of the things He is doing. He was prophesied there would be fights over Him.
The Church needs “official” enemies who are strong enough that there is actually some challenge.
I’m OK with it now. I’m ready to say I’m OK with the Church’s position of Freemasonry.
Whether it is what is being presented in this thread or not, I’ll go with RCC. She’s kept it up this long and as far as I can tell isn’t going away any time soon.
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Jesus came to divide.
When you divide people and cause them to look down on each other and/or fight, everybody learns a lot more than if they had just sat around contemplating their navels and frolicked with the bunnies.
And we know this is one of the things He is doing. He was prophesied there would be fights over Him.
The Church needs “official” enemies who are strong enough that there is actually some challenge.
I’m OK with it now. I’m ready to say I’m OK with the Church’s position of Freemasonry.
Whether it is what is being presented in this thread or not, I’ll go with RCC. She’s kept it up this long and as far as I can tell isn’t going away any time soon.
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The KKK hates Catholics(minus the David Duke reformed KKK, but they aren’t really around anymore), and the KKK was founded by freemasons.
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AlanFromWichita
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As an official branch or spinoff, or just that the initial members were Freemasons?
That makes a difference, analytically.
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Nathan Bedford Forrest was a mason, Albert Pike was also one. William Joseph Simmons was a mason, and he declared that Catholics were enemies. No KKK member would ever be caught being a Catholic, there were some with David Duke, but his fell apart quickly and I doubt that many Catholics were even members of it.
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You seem to know my country better than I do.Mark my words. This generation will see these things come to pass. If we don’t do it, the Buddhists or somebody else might, and we couldn’t let them one-up us now, can we? Just imagine if the Buddhists set up a kiosk near every Catholic church, swipe your card and for $5.00 it will ask you to name a fear, measure your brain waves to see where that fear is processed, electrostimulate that side, and you’re out, seeds planted and cultivated, ready to bear fruit. Do 30 years of therapy in 47 seconds. And if they don’t do that, the Japanese of the Koreans or Singapore will We need to make sure the competition knows who is the real boss.
And your ideas about medicine certainly give pause for doubt.
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AlanFromWichita
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I only thought of it because I just read a National Geographic article about Singapore and the dude that I guess pretty much re-engineered the country and made it all modern or productive – or something, got rid of the slums. Maybe the article was overstated. Anyway I figure maybe that guy would jump on the bandwagon when he saw the potential for profit and power. If I had money and power I’d be developing these things, most likely.You seem to know my country better than I do.
And your ideas about medicine certainly give pause for doubt.
Alan
Edit: truth be told, I’m just a frustrated communications engineer, out of work because of disability. So I want to design a spiritual commucations network and then design a system to run on it … I’d be a spiritual allegory of Microsoft. Bwahaha… ok I’ll get off your thread now unless I’m asked any more questions.
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gamewell45
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Can you share with us any evidence or documents issued by The Grand Lodge of England condoning or authorizing this?
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