The 1,000 year reign

[spauline]

well said spauline.

thanks, Ryan.

 

[ryanoneil]

Is this what Currie teaches? The Son of Man returned to Jerusalem in 70A.D. to bring judgement?

Who’s teaching more than 2 comings of Messiah now?

Here’s a few things cobbled together from Currie that might clear things up. The prophecies in Daniel, in the Transfiguration, in the Olivet Discourse, and in the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin all relate to 70 A.D. They all occurred within the generation that Jesus had promised. At the same time, 70 A.D. is also a prophecy of the final eschaton.

The following quotes originate with (Daniel 7:13). “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him”. Daniel says the Son of man is coming toward the Ancient of Days, not earth!

(Matt 24:30) “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.”
. . . we must be careful not to assume that the coming of the Son of man on clouds means that the Son must be coming to earth. The “clouds of Heaven” symbolize the majesty and glory of the Son of man when He judges His enemies.

Also (Matt 26:64) When Jesus is on trial before the Sanhedrin Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”

Relate this to (Luke 19:41-44) and you see the connection clearly
When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, "If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. “For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.”

When we start to understand the significance of 70 A.D., the words of Jesus at the Transfiguration take on new meaning. (Matt16: 27-28) "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS. “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Although these are some of Currie’s major points as they relate to each other, reading the book itself gives a much better picture.

 

[Teflon93]

Excellent post, ryanoneil.

Especially well done given how difficult it is to sum up a book as large and detailed as Currie’s.

 

[look3467]

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Pay particular attention to the words “things which must shortly come to pass.”

Bear in mind that Jesus had to battle the forces of evil. Evil (potential)defined as everything that is against God, or is as an adversary to God.

These things Jesus had to overcome in our behalf, so what you read in the book of Revelation pertains to Jesus on that day. Is it fair to say that whom ever we follow, we similiarly suffer?

The thousand year reign as I understand it has to do with one day.
That day is all the people involved with Jesus the day He was crucified.
The day Jesus died has in it a complilation of all that has transpiered from day 1 of humanity, as in the 7-day creation.

JOB 38:27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
Deu 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
Jesus the day of the cross is the 1,000 year reign. 930 years alive as Adam, 70 years dead or desolate as Jerusalem. Jesus as dead 1 hour and 40 minutes. Then Jesus loves all mankind. He satisfied the desolate and waste ground, Jerusalem had to be desolate 70 years to satisfy the law. Jesus is seen in Isaiah after the 70 years is over or the 1 hour and 40 minutes dead, fornication is seen as love,

ISA 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the Lord will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.
Fornication to the Jews meant to mingled with the outsiders (Non-Jews, sinners and or Gentiles) as Jesus did when He was accused of eating and drinking with sinners.

ISA 23:18 And her merchandise and her hire shall be holiness to the Lord: it shall not be treasured nor laid up; for her merchandise shall be for them that dwell before the Lord, to eat sufficiently, and for durable clothing.Whomever Christ died for, He loved, of whose merchandise is holiness to the Lord.
Something to think about?

Peace>>>AJ

 

[ryanoneil]

I am trying to fully fathom the 1,000 year reign(Revelation 20:1-6) being now, and not in the future, but I am stumbling over certain issues.
Verse 4 says, in part, “I saw the spirits of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and the word of God, those who had never worshipped the beast or its image nor accepted its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life again and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” The antichrist(beast), in my understanding, is yet to come. So, how can this thousand year reign be present tense, when people who will be in Heaven with Jesus for the time of this reign seem to be people of the future?
Also, if we are to view the devil as being chained up for a thousand years as being now, on the grounds that the Gospel is being spread, then will there be a time in the future, prior to the Second Coming of Christ, where the devil will be released(verse 3) and the Gospel not be able to spread? Where will the Catholic Church be at that time, if such a time exists? What Scriptures or early Church writings can be used to support the idea of such a time existing on Earth? Will infant Baptism cease to exist at that time? We are guaranteed that the gates of hell shall not prevail over the Church(Matthew 16:18.)
There are obvious flaws to the idea of a pre-tribulational rapture, and obvious flaws to the idea of a future 1,000 year reign(“He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,” not to set up an Earthly Kingdom, reign 1,000 years, and THEN judge the living and the dead.) So, no matter how I look at it, Revelation 20:1-6 has me confused. I realize that the Catholic position is that we are in the 1,000 year reign now, but can someone please explain my above questions? I am not trying to be antagonistic, but I just don’t get it. Thanks.

MORE BITS FROM CURRIE’S “RAPTURE”

In Rev 13:1, 11 we see the sea-beast and the land beast “And I saw a beast risisng out of the sea. . . Then I saw another beast which rose out of the land” The sea traditionally symbolized the gentile nations (Rome) and the land traditionally stood for the Jewish people. (Jewish leadership of St. John’s time) So, you can see the symbolism. Both are the dragon’s servants. They shouldn’t be confused with the antichrist, because by the time you get to the final battle, St. John foresees that both beasts will have been in the lake of fire for centuries! They might stand as a type for the final anti-christ though. So, if Satan (dragon) is chained with Christ’s passion and the beasts deal with the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D., who is reigning with Christ in Heaven?

First, those for whom thrones had been “committed” (20:4) An obvious reference to the Apostles who had been promised this in (Matt 19:28). The other group who rule are those martyrs who died during the battles with the beast, those “who had not worshiped the beast” (20:4) They were also mentioned in (6:9-10) They petition for justice to be served on their oppressors, but also participate in dispensing it. They are given the opportunity to reign with Christ, alongside the Apostles. They are “souls” ruling. The resurection hasn’t occurred yet.

These martyrs are the saints who rejoiced at the defeat of “Babylon” the Temple (18:20) They affect history. The prayers of the martyrs affect events on earth. This isn’t in the future, it’s right now. They are called the Church Triumphant. That is why we make requests of the saints in Heaven because they are ruling with Christ. If they take up our cause before Christ, it will more likely be accomplished (James 5:16) The Millennium is a present reality.

So, if we see (Rev 20:1-6) as a past/current event then (20:7-15) is in the future. I might be able to find some quotes from Church fathers but can’t answer your particular question in the second paragraph.

Hope that helps.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Is this what Currie teaches? The Son of Man returned to Jerusalem in 70A.D. to bring judgement?

Who’s teaching more than 2 comings of Messiah now?

I read Currie’s book. He didn’t say the Messiah came in 70 AD. He did note that 70 AD fullfilled Jesus prediction that the temple was destroyed. Since the most of the Jewish nation rejected their Messiah, they suffer greatly at the hands of the Roman soldiers.

The Catholic Church affirms that Jesus will come soon. When that happens, only the Father in Heaven knows.

 

[Teflon93]

I read Currie’s book. He didn’t say the Messiah came in 70 AD. He did note that 70 AD fullfilled Jesus prediction that the temple was destroyed. Since the most of the Jewish nation rejected their Messiah, they suffer greatly at the hands of the Roman soldiers.

The Catholic Church affirms that Jesus will come soon. When that happens, only the Father in Heaven knows.

I think the issue is that Christ promised the Sanhedrin they would see the Son of Man coming on the clouds to judge them. Since Currie points to this judgment as occurring in A.D. 70, in some sense Christ must have come to judge them.

This doesn’t seem as controversial a notion to me as it is to Darbyite Protestants. After all, Christ will come to us all and judge us when we die.

Part of the problem with the invention of the Rapture is that Darby and company came up with the “floating up in the air” silliness so that Christ’s feet wouldn’t touch the ground before the final judgment.

Currie utterly demolishes such nonsense.

 

[Lev23]

I read Currie’s book. He didn’t say the Messiah came in 70 AD. He did note that 70 AD fullfilled Jesus prediction that the temple was destroyed. Since the most of the Jewish nation rejected their Messiah, they suffer greatly at the hands of the Roman soldiers.

The Catholic Church affirms that Jesus will come soon. When that happens, only the Father in Heaven knows.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[FrankLawrence]

What about, specifically, Matthew 24:31. How are we to take that as having already happened?

 

[spauline]

MORE BITS FROM CURRIE’S “RAPTURE”

First, those for whom thrones had been “committed” (20:4) An obvious reference to the Apostles who had been promised this in (Matt 19:28). The other group who rule are those martyrs who died during the battles with the beast, those “who had not worshiped the beast” (20:4) They were also mentioned in (6:9-10) They petition for justice to be served on their oppressors, but also participate in dispensing it. They are given the opportunity to reign with Christ, alongside the Apostles. They are “souls” ruling. The resurection hasn’t occurred yet.

These martyrs are the saints who rejoiced at the defeat of “Babylon” the Temple (18:20) They affect history. The prayers of the martyrs affect events on earth. This isn’t in the future, it’s right now. They are called the Church Triumphant. That is why we make requests of the saints in Heaven because they are ruling with Christ. If they take up our cause before Christ, it will more likely be accomplished (James 5:16) The Millennium is a present reality.

Hope that helps.

Yeah, but that’s one layer of meaning only. This discussion you give would have been more appropriate in the year 1307, rather than 2007. In 1300’s, the Church’s influence is at its peak, the then beast of pagan Rome is dead. But I have to break it to you, Ryan. The beast is back again. Along with the false prophet. Otherwise known as the utterly apostate kingdom of secular messianism and its associated belief that the very foundational morals of human existence (life and sex) can be ignored and that humanity will yet prosper.

Today, you need to emphasize more that faithful Catholics are the 144,000 who sing harps in the presence of the beast and false prophet, that is, in Revelation 14. For, behold, an even greater victory awaits those who receive not the mark: the SECOND conversion of the Gentiles, one in which Christians are reunited and the near whole of the human race, excepting the Jews, shall embrace the Gospel. That will be an even greater fulfillment of the casting of the beast into the fire than when Christ seized pagan Rome and cast it into the fire.

 

[Techno2000]

I am trying to fully fathom the 1,000 year reign(Revelation 20:1-6) being now, and not in the future, but I am stumbling over certain issues.
Verse 4 says, in part, “I saw the spirits of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and the word of God, those who had never worshipped the beast or its image nor accepted its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life again and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” The antichrist(beast), in my understanding, is yet to come. So, how can this thousand year reign be present tense, when people who will be in Heaven with Jesus for the time of this reign seem to be people of the future?
Also, if we are to view the devil as being chained up for a thousand years as being now, on the grounds that the Gospel is being spread, then will there be a time in the future, prior to the Second Coming of Christ, where the devil will be released(verse 3) and the Gospel not be able to spread? Where will the Catholic Church be at that time, if such a time exists? What Scriptures or early Church writings can be used to support the idea of such a time existing on Earth? Will infant Baptism cease to exist at that time? We are guaranteed that the gates of hell shall not prevail over the Church(Matthew 16:18.)
There are obvious flaws to the idea of a pre-tribulational rapture, and obvious flaws to the idea of a future 1,000 year reign(“He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,” not to set up an Earthly Kingdom, reign 1,000 years, and THEN judge the living and the dead.) So, no matter how I look at it, Revelation 20:1-6 has me confused. I realize that the Catholic position is that we are in the 1,000 year reign now, but can someone please explain my above questions? I am not trying to be antagonistic, but I just don’t get it. Thanks.

I think it means that after Jesus comes again (The second coming) there will be 1,000 years
of peace,but at the end of that 1,000 years man will revert back to his evil way again, and God will release the Devil on man for punishment.

 

[ryanoneil]

Yeah, but that’s one layer of meaning only. This discussion you give would have been more appropriate in the year 1307, rather than 2007. In 1300’s, the Church’s influence is at its peak, the then beast of pagan Rome is dead. But I have to break it to you, Ryan. The beast is back again. Along with the false prophet. Otherwise known as the utterly apostate kingdom of secular messianism and its associated belief that the very foundational morals of human existence (life and sex) can be ignored and that humanity will yet prosper.

Today, you need to emphasize more that faithful Catholics are the 144,000 who sing harps in the presence of the beast and false prophet, that is, in Revelation 14. For, behold, an even greater victory awaits those who receive not the mark: the SECOND conversion of the Gentiles, one in which Christians are reunited and the near whole of the human race, excepting the Jews, shall embrace the Gospel. That will be an even greater fulfillment of the casting of the beast into the fire than when Christ seized pagan Rome and cast it into the fire.

I disagree and agree with you. It is just as important to understand that the event’s of 70 A.D. pertain to a 1,000 year millennium today as it did 700 years ago. I posted earlier that an event (70 A.D.) can be a prophecy of a still-future, final fulfillment.
I agree that we need to see what is happening in the world today. We need to see it in the correct historical context though, or we are bound to make the same mistakes.

The reference to the harlot’s being “seated upon many waters” (Rev 17:1) is a reflection of Jeremiah’s description of the original Babylon, (Jer 51:13) whose destruction was a “type” of Jerusalem’s destruction. (Rev 14:8) Which is a “type” of things now, and a “type” of the final battle. History repeats itself. It has, IS, and will repeat itself.

When we see the harlet riding the scarlet beast as symbolizing Jerusalem’s use of pagan, idolatrous Rome to implement their persecution of the Christian Church, it is very easy to see history repeating itself as you have said. Just substitute the imagery.

The most important thing to see is that Christ was victorious in 70 A.D., IS victoriously reigning in the millenium now, and will be victorious in the final battle. Christ “must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet” (1 Cor 15:25)

 

[FrankLawrence]

I have read the majority of David Currie’s Rapture. What a wonderful book! I thank all of you on this board for recommending it to me. I find what it says to be highly plausible, and to illuminate various Scriptures and concepts with some history that I was previously unaware of. I am still left with one MAJOR dilemma, however, about these prophesies being about the destruction of the Temple (70A.D.) and the surrounding events…

How can we reconcile this theology that Christ prophesized that God would judge the Sanhedrin during the lifetime of the current generation with, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do?” Also, what was the reason for this judgment? Is it that they “did not recognize the time of their visitation?” Or, is it that they worshipped the beast(Nero) and his image? Is it both? Is it B as a result of A? Can someone please clarify this matter? Thanks.

 

[ryanoneil]

I have read the majority of David Currie’s Rapture. What a wonderful book! I thank all of you on this board for recommending it to me. I find what it says to be highly plausible, and to illuminate various Scriptures and concepts with some history that I was previously unaware of. I am still left with one MAJOR dilemma, however, about these prophesies being about the destruction of the Temple (70A.D.) and the surrounding events…

How can we reconcile this theology that Christ prophesized that God would judge the Sanhedrin during the lifetime of the current generation with, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do?” Also, what was the reason for this judgment? Is it that they “did not recognize the time of their visitation?” Or, is it that they worshipped the beast(Nero) and his image? Is it both? Is it B as a result of A? Can someone please clarify this matter? Thanks.

I can’t answer your first question regarding (Luke 23:34) My bibles footnote says “this portion of the verse does not occur in the oldest papyrus manuscript and in other Greek one’s”. Also, I’m speculating but it’s hard to say who he’s refering to. The people watching, the rulers, the criminals, the soldiers casting lots, or all of them? I don’t know.

I’ll take a shot at answering the rest of your question using some quotes from “Rapture”. On page 320 he talks about the beast (Rome) and the harlot (Jerusalem). The harlot is “drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus” (Rev 17:6) Jerusalem’s religious leaders were the major persecutors of Christians, as seen in the book of Acts, and used Rome to implement their persecution of Christians. It took them three decades to do it by 64 A.D. (read book for more info)

If we jump ahead to the section the fall of Babylon, we read “All nations were decieved by thy sorcery” (Rev 18:23) because under the Covenant with David, Jerusalem was to be a light to the nations pointing them to the true God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. Instead they decieved them by being the mouth piece of the dragon. This was their greatest sin! Instead of living up to the covenant they killed those who tried to.

If you remember in (Rev 6:9-11) the saint and martyrs were crying out for justice. Then we see their prayers answered and justice served with the Temples destruction. “A great multitude in Heaven” praises God because “He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the land with her fornication” (19:2)

Idolitry, also known in the Old Testament as harlotry, was their other sin. The Sanhedrin compromised with Rome’s emperor worship, by offering sacrifices to Caesar. When they stopped the sacrifices we see the beast turn on the harlot.

I hope that helps.

 

[look3467]

Christ “must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet” (1 Cor 15:25)
He has and He finnished it and rested from all His works on the Sabbath.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[spauline]

The most important thing to see is that Christ was victorious in 70 A.D., IS victoriously reigning in the millenium now, and will be victorious in the final battle. Christ “must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet” (1 Cor 15:25)

I guess what I’m talking about is, there are DEGREES of Christ’s reign, just as there are DEGREES of Christ’s reign in the individual saint. When the saint is in the purgative phase, he is not as holy as in the dark night of the soul, which is not as holy as martyrdom. In the purgative phase, the saint is suffering much physically. He is NOT resting, neither physically nor spiritually. In the illuminative phase, he is progressively understanding God better, and doesn’t have as much purgation. But his will is not entirely one with God’s. After the saint emerges from the primary dark night of the soul, he enters the unique unitive phase. In the unitive phase, his will is finally one with God, and there is really no more purgation or illumination. He knows God completely (as is possible on earth), and he doesn’t need purgation really becaus he is in the “perfect” stage.

Same thing with Jewish history. There are three progressive victories of God, with varying degrees. In the first victory, the people are delivered from bondage but are only just beginning to be illumined. During the illumination, there is much resistance of the Prophets. Only after the vindication of the Prophets was idolatry fully uprooted from the Jews. Only in the return from the exile was there truly a period of great peace. The final victory was the First Coming of Christ.

In the same way, Christ does not reign in the same DEGREE ON EARTH in the whole Church age. So I think we are talking past one another.

I think the difference between you and me is that you prefer a FULLY allegorical rendering of the text instead of a PARTIALLY allegorical rendering of the text. Yes, in a FULLY allegorical sense, we can say there has always been a Millennium since Christ Ascended. But not in a PARTIALLY allegorical sense. That is, in a partially allegorical sense, the degree of Christ’s victories are ever increasing. Yes, Christ reigns in Heaven during Rome, but the dragon is still in the process of being kicked out of heaven. Afterwards, the dragon is on earth, but certainly not chained. Only after the Chastisement that vindicates the dark night of the soul, is NT “idolatry” fully uprooted in Church history.

So I think the problem between us, is, you like FULL allegory to the detriment of PARTIAL allegory, whereas I am the other way around. But the reality is, my approach is more orthodox, because just as Genesis is not FULL allegory but PARTIAL alleogry in its primary sense, neither is Revelation FULL allegory but rather PARTIAL in its primary sense.

 

[Teflon93]

I have read the majority of David Currie’s Rapture. What a wonderful book! I thank all of you on this board for recommending it to me. I find what it says to be highly plausible, and to illuminate various Scriptures and concepts with some history that I was previously unaware of. I am still left with one MAJOR dilemma, however, about these prophesies being about the destruction of the Temple (70A.D.) and the surrounding events…

How can we reconcile this theology that Christ prophesized that God would judge the Sanhedrin during the lifetime of the current generation with, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do?” Also, what was the reason for this judgment? Is it that they “did not recognize the time of their visitation?” Or, is it that they worshipped the beast(Nero) and his image? Is it both? Is it B as a result of A? Can someone please clarify this matter? Thanks.

Glad you found Currie’s book useful.

For the judgment of the Sanhedrin, I suggest reading the parable of the wicked tenants, then the account of Christ’s encounter with Caiphas. Note that just as when God left the Temple, the veil tore in two, Caiphas declared Christ to be a blasphemer and rent his garments, itself a great blasphemy.

To my mind, this parallel highlights the end of the Covenant between God and the Sanhedrin (but not between God and all Jews).

Put more crisply, the Sanhedrin had profaned the Temple. Caiphas’ treatment of Christ was merely the last straw, as the parable of the wicked tenants demonstrates.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

I’m not trying to be difficult, and I am TOTALLY against John Darby’s pretribulational rapture, .

You mean St. Ephraems pretrib rapture?
theotokos.org/ChurchLibrary/Antichrist/books_antichrist_chapter_14.htm
chapter 14 fourth paragraph!

 

[ryanoneil]

In the same way, Christ does not reign in the same DEGREE ON EARTH in the whole Church age. So I think we are talking past one another.

Hi spauline. We must be, and I’m interested in exploring this further.

I think the difference between you and me is that you prefer a FULLY allegorical rendering of the text instead of a PARTIALLY allegorical rendering of the text. Yes, in a FULLY allegorical sense, we can say there has always been a Millennium since Christ Ascended. But not in a PARTIALLY allegorical sense. That is, in a partially allegorical sense, the degree of Christ’s victories are ever increasing. Yes, Christ reigns in Heaven during Rome, but the dragon is still in the process of being kicked out of heaven. Afterwards, the dragon is on earth, but certainly not chained. Only after the Chastisement that vindicates the dark night of the soul, is NT “idolatry” fully uprooted in Church history.

I’m a little confused on the idea of FULL and PARTIAL allegory, but I’m kind of understanding what you’re saying. Maybe if I respond to a few things, you can further clarify about allegory with a response.

It would appear Christ’s victories are increasing, as more souls are saved, through His continuing work in the world. And if I remember correctly your idea is that a cataclym will straighten out the world spiritually. When this happens, the dragon is fully chained for a 1,000 years, and Christ is reigning in the utmost sense. Then we continue through chapter 20 in Revelation. (Please correct me if I have something wrong)

Your idea is quite plausible even though I don’t fully understand to what degree we would experience a utopian world, and the lack of Idolotry and sin. (please comment and tell me if I’m still on track) I suppose it depends on one’s perspective.

2,000 years after the fact, we look back at history and think there was still chaos and strife. Nothing close to a peaceful millenium. You had Rome who continued to martyr Christians, and Barbarians bent on destroying Rome, and so on. Then all of a sudden Rome becomes Christian and the Barbarians who were on a bloody rampage start hearing about Christ. Instead of our old enemies arming their hands with weapons, they are raising them in prayer.

From the early Church Fathers perspective Jesus ushered in the peace where the scriptures say "They shall beat their swords into plough-shares, and their pikes into sickles . . . (by the way does anyone remember how that ends and where to find it?)

As far as Satan being chained. After Christ’s public vindication Satan is kept from deceiving the nations for a figurative 1,000 years. I think he was restrained by God’s power like a mean pit bull on a leash. If you stay out of reach your fine, if you step in his turf (sin) he’ll chew you up. I think he is presently chained, but who’s to say if we’re in that “after that he must be loosed for a little while.” My guess is when that happens all Hell will break loose.

So, I guess it comes down to perspective. Will the lion, literally, lay down with the lamb led by a little child, before Christ’s second coming? I don’t know. Christ will continue dealing with enemies which His reigning entails, as “we” the Church Militant and Triumphant are actively cooperating with Him.

Looking forward to your response,

Ryan

 

[JFonseka]

Revelations is probably the greatest source of headaches for man.