The 10 Commandments and islam

[chrisse]

Muslim Woman states :

1. We worship Allah(God) and Allah alone. Associating no partners with him for doing such is a major sin in Islam. Even saying that he has a son or is in the human form is concerned associating partners with God. God works alone. La illaha il Allah!

Really - so what is the qur’an. Is it created? If it is therefore it is created by man and is outside of allah. So, how did man create this qur’an?

Is it uncreated? If it is therefore it is part of allah.

In fact the qur’an, to a muslim, is the Word.

Do you really believe you associate no partners to allah? In your case, allah is biune (okay I created this word) in Nature at least. Allah’s Word came to mohammet in a human form, ie a book.

In Christianity, we refer to the Triune Divine Nature of YHWH. Muslims argue the Biune Divine Nature of allah. The rest is just semantics and methodology of transmission.

 

[Muslimah727]

The Qur’an was recited to the Prophet Muhammad by the angel gabriel as the word of Allah. Muhammad(pbuh) upon getting a recitation would recite it to others around him. They all would memorize it. There are so many miracles within the Qur’an that one must ask: How did this come from man? Many scienctist revert to Islam after studying the Qur’an because there are things that are in it about the world that scienctist just recently discovered i.e the sun being the center of the universe. I would love to know how we associate partners with Allah in your eyes?

Allah, the most high, since the being of time has sent messengers to nations upon nations so that they can be reminded of Allah’s ability and know that their duty as human beings is to worship Allah. so what is the point you are trying yo make about Allah’s word. Jesus(pbuh) himself came into being for the purpose of spreading the word of Allah’s existence and to remind the Jews of the wrongdoing they were upon.
I don’t know what your talking about in the last paragraph so I will not comment on that. Hope this clarifies things for you

Muslim Woman states :

Really - so what is the qur’an. Is it created? If it is therefore it is created by man and is outside of allah. So, how did man create this qur’an?

Is it uncreated? If it is therefore it is part of allah.

In fact the qur’an, to a muslim, is the Word.

Do you really believe you associate no partners to allah? In your case, allah is biune (okay I created this word) in Nature at least. Allah’s Word came to mohammet in a human form, ie a book.

In Christianity, we refer to the Triune Divine Nature of YHWH. Muslims argue the Biune Divine Nature of allah. The rest is just semantics and methodology of transmission.

 

[Reuben_J]

Muslim Woman states :

Really - so what is the qur’an. Is it created? If it is therefore it is created by man and is outside of allah. So, how did man create this qur’an?

Is it uncreated? If it is therefore it is part of allah.

In fact the qur’an, to a muslim, is the Word.

Do you really believe you associate no partners to allah? In your case, allah is biune (okay I created this word) in Nature at least. Allah’s Word came to mohammet in a human form, ie a book.

In Christianity, we refer to the Triune Divine Nature of YHWH. Muslims argue the Biune Divine Nature of allah. The rest is just semantics and methodology of transmission.

Well chrisse, fine if they say that (not associating partners with Allah). We do not quarrel with their belief system.

Of course there are many facets of their belief that we don’t agree with and particularly their Prophet Mohammad who we don’t consider to be one.

I agree that they should apply the same standard that they use for Islam when commenting on Christianity. What is the definition for ’ associating partners with Allah’ for example.

 

[Muslimah727]

associating partners with Allah is saying that Allah(God) works with others such as that of paganism or praying to other than God. God works alone. He is above human. I hope this answers your questions?
I also apologize if my tone offends anyone. I just don’t like to see something that I hold so dearly to my heart(Allah ta’ala and Al-Islam) be attacked so brutually with such harshness as many of the members of this forum have done. Once again my apologies.

P.S Islam does not mean peace it means “to submit” i.e complete submission to the will of Allah. Muslim mean “the one who submits”.

 

[Reuben_J]

The Qur’an was recited to the Prophet Muhammad by the angel gabriel as the word of Allah. Muhammad(pbuh) upon getting a recitation would recite it to others around him. They all would memorize it. There are so many miracles within the Qur’an that one must ask: How did this come from man? Many scienctist revert to Islam after studying the Qur’an because there are things that are in it about the world that scienctist just recently discovered i.e the sun being the center of the universe.

You will be surprised that the scientific miracles of the Quran have been widely debunked in this forum. Besides, for the record at least one Muslim posters do not believe in those scientific miracles.

It has been pointed here that the so-called Quranic scientific miracles are very vague that one can attribute it to just anything. And some of those purported knowledge were not new konwledge at all but were already known before the Quran came into existence.

 

[chrisse]

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I also apologize if my tone offends anyone. I just don’t like to see something that I hold so dearly to my heart(Allah ta’ala and Al-Islam) be attacked so brutually with such harshness as many of the members of this forum have done. Once again my apologies.

P.S Islam does not mean peace it means “to submit” i.e complete submission to the will of Allah. Muslim mean “the one who submits”.

No need to apologise, but thanks for your explanation. You will now understand why what you rather dramatically described (bit overdone Muslimah727) is being directed at the muslims on this forum. They slander our Lord who we hold so dearly to our hearts; they deny our Lord who we hold so dearly to our hearts; they associate, in partnership, our Lord with the pagan god allah.

Offense goes both ways, it is a pity muslims never seem to understand how offensive Islam is to others.

PS. We know, but thanks anyway. The “peace” bit was created in the 1930s by Qutb. See, we know.

 

[Muslimah_429]

You will be surprised that the scientific miracles of the Quran have been widely debunked in this forum. Besides, for the record at least one Muslim posters do not believe in those scientific miracles.

It has been pointed here that the so-called Quranic scientific miracles are very vague that one can attribute it to just anything. And some of those purported knowledge were not new konwledge at all but were already known before the Quran came into existence.

Keyword in this forum, meaning not by anyone with any authority to make a ruling or anyone that matters. What ppl like u fail to accept is that Islam is the only religion that doesn’t contradict itself point blank…

 

[chrisse]

Keyword in this forum, meaning not by anyone with any authority to make a ruling or anyone that matters. What ppl like u fail to accept is that Islam is the only religion that doesn’t contradict itself point blank…

Sorry, but that’s just so ridiculous a statement. :yawn:

Anyway - what’s with all these muslimahs### all of a sudden?

 

[Eucharisted]

What ppl like u fail to accept is that Islam is the only religion that doesn’t contradict itself point blank…

We’re allowed to have our own opinions on Islam, thank you.

If Islam doesn’t contradict, than how do you explain the many surahs in the Qu’ran that do contradict each other? For example:

• 2.62 says Christians and Jews will have their reward from Allah

but

• 5.51 says Christians and Jews are unjust and not guided by Allah

and

• 32.13 says those who are unguided by Allah will go to hell

It seems the surah can’t decide - or perhaps it is Allah that can’t decide - the fate of Christians and Jews: Do they go to heaven or hell? Even if you pointed out that 2.62 is referring to good Christians and Jews, and not Christians and Jews in general, you would still be unable to reconcile it with the other surahs, which state Christians and Jews in general are unjust and unguided, and those who do not recieve guidance from Allah will go to hell.

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[32.13] And if We had pleased We would certainly have given to every soul its guidance, but the word (which had gone forth) from Me was just: I will certainly fill hell with the jinn and men together.

 

[inJESUS]

associating partners with Allah is saying that Allah(God) works with others such as that of paganism or praying to other than God. God works alone. He is above human. I hope this answers your questions?

associating partners with Allah is saying Allah and Muhammad say, Allah and Muhammad decree, Allah and Muhammad know better,…Associating partners with God is joining in the monotheistic creed the name of Allah with that of Muhammad. Associating partners with Allah is saying that Allah swears by horses and men. Associating partners with Allah is saying one must not love anything in this world more than Muhammad. Associating partners with Allah is asking a man to stop his prayer to answer Muhammad’s call. You were brought up to think these are ok and correct, but Biblically speaking, these are not ok.

 

[Reuben_J]

Keyword in this forum, meaning not by anyone with any authority to make a ruling or anyone that matters. What ppl like u fail to accept is that Islam is the only religion that doesn’t contradict itself point blank…

I’ll accept it as you say it is if I do not see them. But they (contradictions) are so prevalent and being brought up constantly here and there is often no explanation for them.

**Eucharisted **just brought up some.

 

[inJESUS]

It is ironic that Muslims talk about contradictions between the writings of many authors, to difference audiences and different times and different situations, yet do not apply the same to the Quran supposed to be the work of one author yet with many contradictions… when you start from a twisted point of view, the result is twisted and relying on Islamic websites to teach Christianity is like listening to Muhammad without consulting what scriptures say and this is exactly what Muslims do, so they reject everything because Muhammad must come first, being the best of creatures according to himself/Allah.

 

[Reuben_J]

It is ironic that Muslims talk about contradictions between the writings of many authors, to difference audiences and different times and different situations, yet do not apply the same to the Quran supposed to be the work of one author yet with many contradictions… when you start from a twisted point of view, the result is twisted and relying on Islamic websites to teach Christianity is like listening to Muhammad without consulting what scriptures say and this is exactly what Muslims do, so they reject everything because Muhammad must come first, being the best of creatures according to himself/Allah.

Yea. And may I say it smells so much of dishonesty that it’s really exasperating to discuss issues with them. It’s like going along meandering road with many junctions to nowhere sometimes.

 

[dolphinlove]

Keyword in this forum, meaning not by anyone with any authority to make a ruling or anyone that matters. What ppl like u fail to accept is that Islam is the only religion that doesn’t contradict itself point blank…

hmmm, we have had exmuslims on here who were more than capable of debunking the science in the quran. One even wrote a very compelling piece on it, ill find the link for you…

 

[trdchubi]

Yea. And may I say it smells so much of dishonesty that it’s really exasperating to discuss issues with them. It’s like going along meandering road with many junctions to nowhere sometimes.

What do you expect from the followers of the ‘prophet’ who lied through his teeth?

Monkey see,Monkey do!:doh2:

 

[planten]

You will be surprised that the scientific miracles of the Quran have been widely debunked in this forum. Besides, for the record at least one Muslim posters do not believe in those scientific miracles.

It has been pointed here that the so-called Quranic scientific miracles are very vague that one can attribute it to just anything. And some of those purported knowledge were not new konwledge at all but were already known before the Quran came into existence.

** But Reuben, please remember Maurice Bucaile who wrote “bible science and Quran.” he said that there is nothing scientific in the Bible. There is nothing unscientific in the Quran.

You can very easily verify what I have written. That Frenchman has a given a long list of those scientific truths of the Quran**.

 

[planten]

**To add to my above post, reuben, you have nothing in your own book bibleNT about any science or truth. The bibleOT does not belong to you since you parted ways with the Jews and the law of Moses.

So please tell us all the scientific miracles found in your own book bibleNT. Thanks.**

 

[Reuben_J]

**To add to my above post, reuben, you have nothing in your own book bibleNT about any science or truth. The bibleOT does not belong to you since you parted ways with the Jews and the law of Moses.

So please tell us all the scientific miracles found in your own book bibleNT. Thanks.**

I don’t think I need Biblical scientific miracles to prove the Bible.

Muslims think they need scientific miracles to prove the Quran. Once the so-called miracles are debunked, there is nothing left of the Quran. One example of the so-called Quranic miracle is that human is formed from a blood clot. This is proven untrue in today scientifc knowledge. If your Quran hinged in this kind of stupid argument to prove that’s it is word of God, then there is nothing really in there.

 

[planten]

I don’t think I need Biblical scientific miracles to prove the Bible.

Muslims think they need scientific miracles to prove the Quran. Once the so-called miracles are debunked, there is nothing left of the Quran. One example of the so-called Quranic miracle is that human is formed from a blood clot. This is proven untrue in today scientifc knowledge. If your Quran hinged in this kind of stupid argument to prove that’s it is word of God, then there is nothing really in there.

** Reuben, You have disconnected bible from any science. Well done. That was because you were afraid to be debunked. (?)

None of our Kalam Allah is debunked. But there is no need now to discuss anything with you because you have parted your bible’s ways with science.

We have the Word of God. i.e. The Quran. We know the Work of God ( The science ) cannot be against the Word of God. They are both in agreement. That helps us and increases our faith in God (Allah).

The birth of mankind goes through many stages and one stage is a clot of blood.**

 

[Reuben_J]

** Reuben, You have disconnected bible from any science. Well done. That was because you were afraid to be debunked. (?)**

No, not at all. The word of God does not need proven with half-baked, vague and false scientific thesis. Beside the Bible is not a scientific book, it is the word of God.

**
We have the Word of God. i.e. The Quran. We know the Work of God ( The science ) cannot be against the Word of God. They are both in agreement. That helps us and increases our faith in God (Allah).

The birth of mankind goes through many stages and one stage is a clot of blood. **

The birth of a human does NOT begin with a blood clot. It begins with a live single cell of spermatozoa and a live single cell of ovum to form a single foetus. There you are – the Quran is false! Blood clot is made up of dead blood cells usually drifting in the blood vessel and sometimes can cause cardiac infact – blocked artery that cause a heart attack.