The 10 Commandments and islam

[Jay53]

Jay53, islamic marriage (nikah = a word I cannot say on this board) is adultery, let alone “right hand possesses” under the commandments of YHWH.

But under allah’s accommodating laws for mohammet, no it isn’t.

So, someone’s got it wrong, and it aint us Catholics

Is that the temporary marriage (which I consider basically legalized Islamic prostitution)?

I was just hoping some Muslim posters would chime in here with explanations. Although they’re avoiding my other question in the other thread where I want them to explicitly condemn killing apostates just for changing their religion. I may have to give it its own thread because I think it’s getting lost in the shuffle. And killing apostates just because they change religtions is one of my big beefs with Islam.

 

[jakasaki]

Is that the temporary marriage (which I consider basically legalized Islamic prostitution)?

I was just hoping some Muslim posters would chime in here with explanations. Although they’re avoiding my other question in the other thread where I want them to explicitly condemn killing apostates just for changing their religion. I may have to give it its own thread because I think it’s getting lost in the shuffle. And killing apostates just because they change religtions is one of my big beefs with Islam.

Hi Jay -

I haven’t seen them around today - I saw Planteen and Meedo somewhat earlier but no one else. I too have questions posted awaiting replies from our muslim members…

 

[chrisse]

Is that the temporary marriage (which I consider basically legalized Islamic prostitution)?

I was just hoping some Muslim posters would chime in here with explanations. Although they’re avoiding my other question in the other thread where I want them to explicitly condemn killing apostates just for changing their religion. I may have to give it its own thread because I think it’s getting lost in the shuffle. And killing apostates just because they change religtions is one of my big beefs with Islam.

Well, all islamic “marriage” is temporary - for the male at least. One, I repeat ONE, simple declaration and she is out of the house and divorced. The thrice times only means that to “re-marry” it is more complicated for the male. Firstly she has to agree to come back (up to 3 he can demand she comes back). Secondly, she must marry another man, have sexual intercourse where at least the head of the penis penetrates her vagina (and yes, islamic law goes into this detail), then of course be divorced by him (thrice ??? big troubles if he only does it once)

 

[Jay53]

Hi Jay -

I haven’t seen them around today - I saw Planteen and Meedo somewhat earlier but no one else. I too have questions posted awaiting replies from our muslim members…

Yeah, I noticed. Planten is the only one that admitted apostates should not be killed. Although I told him he’s probably not considered a “true” Muslim for this belief. We’ll see.

 

[Jay53]

Well, all islamic “marriage” is temporary - for the male at least. One, I repeat ONE, simple declaration and she is out of the house and divorced. The thrice times only means that to “re-marry” it is more complicated for the male. Firstly she has to agree to come back (up to 3 he can demand she comes back). Secondly, she must marry another man, have sexual intercourse where at least the head of the penis penetrates her vagina (and yes, islamic law goes into this detail), then of course be divorced by him (thrice ??? big troubles if he only does it once)

I read about that - I think it was in the book about Dr. Homa Darabi (really sad story!) - and I about fell out of my chair. That is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read. I can’t believe women put up with that - although I realize most of them don’t have a choice - I feel so bad for them. I just keep praying. I just don’t understand the women that convert to that - I think they feel safe if they’re living in a democracy where they’re protected under our laws.

 

[chrisse]

… I just don’t understand the women that convert to that - I think they feel safe if they’re living in a democracy where they’re protected under our laws.

Exactly, and what utter fools they are.

I am determined, however, that these fools and their cohorts do not destroy our civilisation and achievements for those who will suffer most - our children and our descendents.

YHWH can not be destroyed. Is this our challenge from our Lord, for those of us who have become lazy in their faith, comfortable with their faith, arrogant with their faith? (I am not casting stones at anyone, just questions for reflection).

 

[Reuben_J]

Well, all islamic “marriage” is temporary - for the male at least. One, I repeat ONE, simple declaration and she is out of the house and divorced. The thrice times only means that to “re-marry” it is more complicated for the male. Firstly she has to agree to come back (up to 3 he can demand she comes back). Secondly, she must marry another man, have sexual intercourse where at least the head of the penis penetrates her vagina (and yes, islamic law goes into this detail), then of course be divorced by him (thrice ??? big troubles if he only does it once)

The fact is Islam teaches marriage and sex as unimportant, casual and for mere human pleasure. They do not understand that marriage and sex are gifts from God and therefore sacred. Thus they marry for the sake of having sex - marry in the morning, have legal sex for the day and divorce in the evening. If they want to do it in the evening they will divorce in the morning.

When we talk about Mohammad, Islamic marriage, sex and adultery, Muslims get very scared. They don’t mind about the reality of Islamic marriage but when it is being discussed and people start to realize how Islam looks at women but as pieces of meat, Muslims know then that it is not a good way of promoting Islam. Start a thread on Mohammad and his marriage life, and you’ll know what I mean. You will be chided for it.

 

[planten]

Well, all islamic “marriage” is temporary - for the male at least. One, I repeat ONE, simple declaration and she is out of the house and divorced. The thrice times only means that to “re-marry” it is more complicated for the male. Firstly she has to agree to come back (up to 3 he can demand she comes back). Secondly, she must marry another man, have sexual intercourse where at least the head of the penis penetrates her vagina (and yes, islamic law goes into this detail), then of course be divorced by him (thrice ??? big troubles if he only does it once)

Correction please. Not one decalaration but Three. We also have some kind of Trinity here. The method for divorce is as follows:

1. If a man observes that his wife is not behaving well then he may pronounce divorce once while the wife is not having the periods.
2. The will keep on living in the same house. Wife is not to be turned out of the house. She will perform all tasks as usual.
3. During the next month, at any time, if the man goes near the wife then that divorce is canceleld. But it will be counted as one divorce.
4. If the situation does not change and the man observes no improvement in the behaviour of the wife then man can likewise, during the clean period of the wife, pronounce another divorce.
5. In this way, the third divorce will be final. After that they cannot live as husband and wife.

There are other conditions for the divorce being effective. I am not so sure about them. They are:

If the wife is pregnant then the divorce will be effective after child birth.

The divorced lady cannot re-marry any man until after four months. That will make it clear that she is not pregnant. That is called the “Iddat” period.

 

[Reuben_J]

The part that says the wife must have sexual intercourse with another man before she can remarry her former husband is very telling about Islam sexuality.

 

[trdchubi]

Correction please. Not one decalaration but Three. We also have some kind of Trinity here. The method for divorce is as follows:

1. If a man observes that his wife is not behaving well then he may pronounce divorce once while the wife is not having the periods.
2. The will keep on living in the same house. Wife is not to be turned out of the house. She will perform all tasks as usual.
3. During the next month, at any time, if the man goes near the wife then that divorce is canceleld. But it will be counted as one divorce.
4. If the situation does not change and the man observes no improvement in the behaviour of the wife then man can likewise, during the clean period of the wife, pronounce another divorce.
5. In this way, the third divorce will be final. After that they cannot live as husband and wife.

There are other conditions for the divorce being effective. I am not so sure about them. They are:

If the wife is pregnant then the divorce will be effective after child birth.

The divorced lady cannot re-marry any man until after four months. That will make it clear that she is not pregnant. That is called the “Iddat” period.

Well this summed it up, the phrase, I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you is a self centered statement acceptable only to womanizing men and philandering husbands.

I tell you planten your religion is a haven for sexually starve men.

 

[chrisse]

Correction please. Not one decalaration but Three. We also have some kind of Trinity here. The method for divorce is as follows:

1. If a man observes that his wife is not behaving well then he may pronounce divorce once while the wife is not having the periods.
2. The will keep on living in the same house. Wife is not to be turned out of the house. She will perform all tasks as usual.
3. During the next month, at any time, if the man goes near the wife then that divorce is canceleld. But it will be counted as one divorce.
4. If the situation does not change and the man observes no improvement in the behaviour of the wife then man can likewise, during the clean period of the wife, pronounce another divorce.
5. In this way, the third divorce will be final. After that they cannot live as husband and wife.

There are other conditions for the divorce being effective. I am not so sure about them. They are:

If the wife is pregnant then the divorce will be effective after child birth.

The divorced lady cannot re-marry any man until after four months. That will make it clear that she is not pregnant. That is called the “Iddat” period.

Your correction is about conditional divorce, which is a separate issue in The Reliance of the Traveller. The Reliance of the Traveller (Revised edition 1994) - shariah law authenticated by numerous bodies including Al Azhar.

Divorce, page 559

The Words That Effect A Divorce
n3.1 The words that effect a divorce may be plain or allusive. Plain words effect the divorce whether one intends divorce by them or not, while allusive words do not effect it unless one intends divorce by them.

Examples of plain words “I divorce you” or “You are divorced”.
Divorce, page 564

n7.1 When a free man pronounces divorce upon his wife once or twice after previously having had sexual intercourse with her, then if the divorce is not (A : a release) for compensation (def:n5), he may take her back at any time before the end of her waiting period (def:n9), whether she wishes to return or not. Or he may finalize the divorce during this period (A: by pronouncing it a third time).

n7.7 When a free man has pronounced a threefold divorce, the divorced woman is unlawful for him to remarry until she has married another husband in a valid marriage and the new husband has copulated (dis: p29) with her, which at a minimum means that the head of his erect penis fully enters her vagina.

Page 557

A statement of divorce is legally effective when pronounced by a person who mental faculties are lacking because of something inexcusable such as having become intoxicated or having needlessly taken some mind-altering drug (O: though someone who takes such a drug out of need for medical treatment is considered as an insane person, in that his statement of divorce is not legally effective).

No, a muslim man can say “I divorce you” ONCE, or even text it now, and to all intents and purposes she is divorced and out of the house UNLESS HE puts conditions around it.

 

[R_not]

“I divorce you because you didn’t answer your husband”: Text message divorce in Egypt

And the sharia courts upheld this divorce.

 

[planten]

The part that says the wife must have sexual intercourse with another man before she can remarry her former husband is very telling about Islam sexuality.

**That is not bad. That goes in favor of the lady. You want to deny that?

There can only be three notifications of Divorce, one in each month. If therwe have been three divorces, then that man and that woman cannot be re-married together again, unless the lady gets married to some other man and lives with him. If that man divorces her then it is possible that the first man may try to marry her again, having realsied his mistakes of pronouncing a divorce on a good lady.

That is also a good check on the people who may hurry up for divorce and may break up a good marriage. It is a check on their reunion.

**

 

[chrisse]

**That is not bad. That goes in favor of the lady. You want to deny that?

There can only be three notifications of Divorce, one in each month. If therwe have been three divorces, then that man and that woman cannot be re-married together again, unless the lady gets married to some other man and lives with him. If that man divorces her then it is possible that the first man may try to marry her again, having realsied his mistakes of pronouncing a divorce on a good lady.

That is also a good check on the people who may hurry up for divorce and may break up a good marriage. It is a check on their reunion.

**

Planten, only a filthy, low-class, debauched mind can accept this as “good for the woman”.

As a woman, Planten, Islam is NOTHING more than one big marauding war-machine and brothel.

Further, you are again ignoring that a woman can be divorced by the man ONCE by a flimsy statement of “I divorce you”.

Further, you are ignoring the fact that the islamic prostitution you call in English “marriage”, a woman can be just one of four. Islam reduces a woman to a breeding whore.

Stick your filthy islamic “good for a woman” where the sun doesn’t shine together with your mohammet, his pagan god allah and your trilogy of hate, Planten.

I feel sick even replying to such as you. I’m going to wash, I feel dirty now even discussing it.

 

[Reuben_J]

**That is not bad. That goes in favor of the lady. You want to deny that?

**

This is sick theology if you think it is good for the lady to have intercourse with another man before she can remarry her former husband. Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, ad infinitum.

Are you willing to let your sisters or wives to go through all that? You poeple must be mad!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

… I’m going to wash, I feel dirty now even discussing it.

lol . Try to start reading when u feel you are clean.

God forbids husbands to be cruel to wives . If a husband does not fear God & utter the word 3 Talaq/ divorce at a time , it shows that he disobeyed God. Why on earth a woman would prefer to stay with him at all ? She should start a new life with a pious Muslim.

God did not create women as toys for men that they can do whatever they want. It’s good for her that she got rid of that husband who is not a God fearing person.

In the past , when there was no limit how many times a husband can divorce wife , women became victims of such cruel husbands. They gave them divorces whenever they wanted. When husbands came to know that parents are arranging marriage of his ex-wife , he rushed to say them that , hey , I am now withdrawing divorce , she is mine , u can’t arrange her marriage . Husbands used to blackmailed wives that you belong to me forever .

So , the revealation came : And if he has divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she has married another husband. Then, if the other husband divorces her, it is no sin on both of them that they reunite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. These are the limits of Allah, which He makes plain for the people who have knowledge.

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #230)

It was a warning for husbands that treat wives well .

"And when you have divorced women and they have fulfilled the term of their prescribed period, either take them back on reasonable basis or set them free on reasonable basis. But do not take them back to hurt them, and whoever does that, then he has wronged himself.

And treat not the Verses (Laws) of Allah as a jest, but remember Allahs Favours on you (i.e. Islam), and that which He has sent down to you of the Book (i.e. the Quran) and Al-Hikmah (the Prophets Sunnah - legal ways - Islamic jurisprudence, etc.) whereby He instructs you. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is All-Aware of everything. "

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #231)

related link:

Divorce: Islamic Procedure & Rulings

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543322

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

…Are you willing to let your sisters or wives to go through all that?

It’s not a must for any woman to go back to her ex-husband. Specially that husband who did not fear God & disobeyed God’s this commamd : O Prophet (SAW)! When you divorce women, divorce them at their Iddah (prescribed periods), and count (accurately) their Iddah (periods )… سورة الطلاق , At-Talaq, Chapter #65, Verse #1

It’s unfortunate if any family members forces a woman to marry other man ( pre planned marriage ) that after one night , he must divorce her ; so that she can back to her ex husband. This is forbidden . Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) strictly forbade it & this is against Quranic teaching of husband - wife relationship. Purpose of marriage is not to divorce wife / husband after one night but to live together fearing God.

 

[planten]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

It’s not a must for any woman to go back to her ex-husband. Specially that husband who did not fear God & disobeyed God’s this commamd : O Prophet (SAW)! When you divorce women, divorce them at their Iddah (prescribed periods), and count (accurately) their Iddah (periods )… سورة الطلاق , At-Talaq, Chapter #65, Verse #1

It’s unfortunate if any family members forces a woman to marry other man ( pre planned marriage ) that after one night , he must divorce her ; so that she can back to her ex husband. This is forbidden . Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) strictly forbade it & this is against Quranic teaching of husband - wife relationship. Purpose of marriage is not to divorce wife / husband after one night but to live together fearing God.

**Very God Muslim Woman, you are right. The idea was not to marry that divorced lady temporarily to another man. That is a sin to do that.

These people do not understand anything**.

 

[chrisse]

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[chrisse]

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