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Damascus
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Well, when I was a weee one, there were a few that did partake, and I do recall they were not elderly (one was, 3 were NOT)
and I never figured that one out.
The one I remember that was not elderly had a son who ended up getting a girl (non Jw) pregnant.
And she still partakes every year. I get the updates on her.
Her son later went on to get several others pregnant.
She gives him a roof over his head and has paid for his legal counsel to defend him for not paying child support on 4 kids.
She is respected in that “congregation”
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jschwehm
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Hi Gang:
The JWs have always taught that as time goes on and we get closer and closer to Armageddon that the number of the 144,000 left on earth known as the Remnant will get smaller. The JWs keep track of the size of the Remnant by counting the number of JWs who partake of the bread and the wine at their Memorial (Communion) Service.
In recent years, this number has stayed fairly constant or has even increased a bit. (Usually hovering around the 8,000 mark). I guess this has some at Headquarters rather concerned so the elders have been told it appears by the Circuit Overseers to interrogate those who claim to be of the anointed (this is how JWs refer to those who are members of the Remnant). I heard through the internet grapevine, that one anointed JW was told by his elders not to talk about heaven so much because it is causing some JWs in the congregation not to want to live on a paradise earth…LOL (Gee, I wonder why…)
Jeff S.
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The JWs have always taught that as time goes on and we get closer and closer to Armageddon that the number of the 144,000 left on earth known as the Remnant will get smaller. The JWs keep track of the size of the Remnant by counting the number of JWs who partake of the bread and the wine at their Memorial (Communion) Service.
In recent years, this number has stayed fairly constant or has even increased a bit. (Usually hovering around the 8,000 mark). I guess this has some at Headquarters rather concerned so the elders have been told it appears by the Circuit Overseers to interrogate those who claim to be of the anointed (this is how JWs refer to those who are members of the Remnant). I heard through the internet grapevine, that one anointed JW was told by his elders not to talk about heaven so much because it is causing some JWs in the congregation not to want to live on a paradise earth…LOL (Gee, I wonder why…)
Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
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santaro75
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I wonder if the apostles or john the baptist are amongst the 144,000 or if it is just a 144,000 white males from the latter part of the 19th century and early 20th centuryYes, they would think you were crazy… they would try VERY HARD to talk you out of it but if you insisted they have a “loophole” to fall back on. They will say that despite the fact that all the “seats” were filled in 1925 - obviously one of the original 144,000 fell away from the truth & you’ve been chosen to take his spot. This actually happened to a friend of mine who, over time, decided she was one of the “annointed.” Unfortunatly it totally freaked out her children who now had to imagine spending eternity on earth away from their dear mother who would be in heaven without them.
Regarding that verse in Revelation that speaks of the 144,000. It is true that some verses in the Bible are to be taken literally - and some are to be taken figurativly - but show me another verse where a couple of WORDS are literal (144,000 - totally literal) but the REST of the sentence is figuragtive - Jewish men from specific tribes. But, that’s what the JW’s are asking us to believe.
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dawgfan
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and don’t forget - mostly from the USA
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Jaypeeto3
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In 1981 I had a powerful religious experience and I received a strong “heavenly” hope. Not knowing any other religion than the JWs, I dived in with all fours to the JW religion.
When I made my heavenly hope known, the JWs all insisted that I was in error and had the earthly hope ( I was only 21 at the time ). So I tried to force myself to have an “earthly” hope, but it didn’t work, and I ended up having a nervous breakdown because of their dumb 2 class teaching.
Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
When I made my heavenly hope known, the JWs all insisted that I was in error and had the earthly hope ( I was only 21 at the time ). So I tried to force myself to have an “earthly” hope, but it didn’t work, and I ended up having a nervous breakdown because of their dumb 2 class teaching.
Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
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yessisan
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Don’t you think maybe that heavenly hope was there for when you became Catholic?
These people are so strange aren’t they? Earthly hope… I wonder how they came up with that…
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yessisan
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I just hope it’s good for something… hope he realizes one day that the CC is the way to go!!
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Jaypeeto3
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“Judge” Rutherford came up with the earthly class stuff in 1935, at an Assembly of the JWs.
Prior to 1935, both the “anointed remnant” and the “Jonadabs” as the 2nd class was called, both had a heavenly destiny.
Rutherford changed it to an earthly destiny in 1935.
Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
Prior to 1935, both the “anointed remnant” and the “Jonadabs” as the 2nd class was called, both had a heavenly destiny.
Rutherford changed it to an earthly destiny in 1935.
Jaypeeto3 (aka Jaypeeto4)
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yessisan
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I wonder what would have made him change his mind… maybe he “read in between the lines” in the bible…
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Daniel_Marsh
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Since at the time of writing of Revelation, marriage age for males was 12 years old, then biblically speaking if the text means “virgin” than those males would be 12 and younger which throws a big monkey wrench in watchtower theology since most of those who claim to be of the 144,000 are in fact much older than 12.
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TOP
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I had an experience Eastereve in 2005. Then my mom passed away. The JW’s started to show up at my door. At the time I was very open to anyone who came with the gospel. Though the only church I knew of was the Catholic Church, I would invite them in for readings. I was on fire for the gospels and they took advantage of it. I was never told that they beleive that Christ is Micheal. I thought they where just christen witness’s. I was duped into being judgmental about the Catholic Church that I had been confirmed in. This lead to some seriuos rifts between the Lord and I and I ended up in the hospital myself. 5 times. I’m a hard learner I guess. They can be dangerous to people that have had experience’s. Tim
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Damascus
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Wait- the “woman” mentioned in that verse is interpreted by the JW’s as the Whore- IOW- false religion.
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yessisan
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That’s what I had heard too!
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spauline
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I can relate to both of you. I got terribly mentally ill and delusional in hospital when I had to search for the true religion. Praise Jesus and Mary Ever Virgin for the peace of the Catholic Church. You don’t have to derive all doctrine by yourself, you just let yourself be taught by Our Mother, the Mag!
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jschwehm
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The JWs believe that John the Baptist does not have the heavenly hope. They do believe that the apostles went to heaven.
I often tell the story about how I was going from door to door as a JW and I met this Christian gentleman. I asked him if he would like to live forever in paradise on earth. He was a simple man with great faith and admitted he was ‘no bible scholar’ but then he said:
‘No, I would not want to live forever in paradise on earth’
When I asked him why he said:
“Because when I die I will go to heaven to be with Jesus and there is no better place to be than that including a paradise earth.”
The answer he gave me troubled me and my JW companion that day so we left rather quickly. (By the way, my JW companion asked me if I thought if that guy might have had the holy spirit.)
In any case, God spoke to me through that faithful Christian man and planted a sin that haunted me for years but eventually helped to lead me home.
So, when a JW comes to the door and you plant a seed and it appears as though they have rejected it outright, never underestimate what God can do later with the words of truth you planted. Because in a few years or when you get to heaven, you might discover that you had a part in getting that soul home.
Jeff S.
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yessisan
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Great answer form the man who answered the door! I might use that one.
I had a similar conversation w/my DH a few months ago. I can’t remember what we were debating, but I said “At least I have the hope to go to Heaven”.
Then he replied, “Well, I guess I should become Catholic”.
I know he said it as a joke, but to me it’s no joke. Hope he does come back to the CC soon
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Daniel_Marsh
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Was not John the greatest among men?
How could he not be in heaven?
How could he not be in heaven?
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dawgfan
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Yep, they believe that the 144,000 that will only go to heaven started with the 12 apostles. John the Baptist in their view would be in the Great Crowd that returns to paradise Earth.
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yessisan
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And so will Abraham, Abel, and Enoch, and all the other people and prophets before JC…
so lame…
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