The 2012 GOP Presidential Field Is Set

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It seems for all my cogent arguments for supporting Newt Gingrich and his campaign, I have not yet convinced a single voter to vote for him!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!

Sorry. But, as I’ve mentioned earlier. I’ve got money in the game at this point. I’m invested in Gingrich’s campaign. (by just a modest donation, but I’m still invested).
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Yes, but like Christie I’m hoping Rubio isn’t one those “they always say that” kind of politicians.

Don’t get me wrong I love the guy and support him 100 percent if he does change gears. I just don’t see it happening.

I’d love to see a debate with Newt/Rubio vs. Obama/Biden.
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Figuratively speaking, the seasoned Biden would imo have the “youngster” Rubio “for lunch”. But in any case I take my junior Senator at his word and trust he won’t be going back on it.

And then as FL Tea Party Gov Rick Scott’s support has plummeted this yr, no one can say by 2016 whether Rubio will even be as popular by then. The 2012 general election is still a yr away. 2016 is a looooooong ways out. I know I neither will be voting to reelect him in 2016, nor to elect him VP or POTUS in 2016 or 2020. Nor Scott for that matter.
 
Semper_Zelare said:
It seems for all my cogent arguments for supporting Newt Gingrich and his campaign, I have not yet convinced a single voter to vote for him!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!

Sorry. But, as I’ve mentioned earlier. I’ve got money in the game at this point. I’m invested in Gingrich’s campaign. (by just a modest donation, but I’m still invested).
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😃 No problem. I know what it’s like to have a very modest investment in campaigns. Made phone calls in 08 as well. I had them in 2004 and 2008. And batted 1 for 2. In '76 had a bumper sticker and in '80 a yard sign for the primary. Again 1 for 2. 🙂
 
CMatt25 said:
Figuratively speaking, the seasoned Biden would imo have the “youngster” Rubio “for lunch”. But in any case I take my junior Senator at his word and trust he won’t be going back on it.
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I’m sorry, but I have to greatly disagree with you there. Palin gave Biden a run for his money surprising even Democrats. Her debates drew 70 million to Obama’s 17 million viewers. I believe Rubio will be a much more powerful debater than Palin which means he will destroy Biden who could barely handle her.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
I’m sorry, but I have to greatly disagree with you there. Palin gave Biden a run for his money surprising even Democrats. Her debates drew 70 million to Obama’s 17 million viewers. I believe Rubio will be a much more powerful debater than Palin which means he will destroy Biden who could barely handle her.
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Yes I was one of the 70 million. Of course she did better than expected. But that’s not saying a whole lot. The bar was set so low for her to begin with. The way you guys are placing Rubio on such a pedestal though, his bar would be much higher.
 
CMatt25 said:
Figuratively speaking, the seasoned Biden would imo have the “youngster” Rubio “for lunch”. But in any case I take my junior Senator at his word and trust he won’t be going back on it.
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Oh, I beg to differ. Have you heard Rubio speak? And he has been grilled by the press in a way that Palin never was before she was picked for veep (and it showed). I assure you, Cmatt, Rubio is the real deal, and the Dems will have to contend with him for many years as he is quite young. He has substance. I would say that he would have “the human gaffe machine” Biden, for lunch. If anything, he’ll point out the contradiction between Biden’s catholicism and his pro-abortion politics. Would love to see Biden explain that. We’ll have to wait and see.
CMatt25 said:
So again, if a member of the Democratic Party adheres to the teachings of, just as a few examples, the Christian denominations I sited earlier, they are Christians. And I’ll leave you with that for now my good friend and brother in Christ. Peace. .
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As I said, Cmatt. They are either ignorant, or they are working for the other side. I wouldn’t want to be either.

Ishii
 
CMatt25 said:
If the Democrat is a member of or adheres to beliefs of a more liberal denomination such as the United Church of Christ, Episcopal, Disciples of Christ, or another similar mainline Christian church, they are considered to be Christians by your church, Ishii. I’d think that alone should be good enough for you.
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They would be considered seperated Christian bretheren that still needed to be exposed to the fullness of Truth.

And, incidently, the greatest threat to the body of Christ has always come from within. Threats from without have always galvanized the faithful and stregthened their faith. It is the wolves in sheeps clothing, the ones within the flock who teach false doctrine and distorted truth who have lead more to their doom than any other group. So, I would be leery of the Christian membership card. I just want to follow the examples and teachings of Christ, I could care less about some silly title that someone wants to give me, even my own Church.

Just look at the Christians of the past and how they have torn the faithful asunder:

Arius
Sabellius
Audius
Apollinaris
Nestorius
Pelagius
Marcion of Synope
Montanus
Mani
Pricillian
Valentinus
Henry of Lusaine
Peter Waldo
Martin Luther
John Calvin
Cornellius Otto Jansen
The Bogomils
The Cathars
the Albagensis
Creflo Dollar
Marilyn Hickey
Benny Hinn
Jocelyn Meyer

…and this is an incredibly SHORT list
 
Paul Ryan has favourable opinions on Mitt Romney’s ideas for Medicare reform:

For months, Rep. Paul Ryan has been watching the GOP presidential primary. As candidates have outlined tax reforms and championed growth, he’s cheered. On the fiscal front, however, he has heard little from leading contenders. Privately, he’s grumbled about the lack of specifics. But after recent conversations with Romney and reading his latest USA Today op-ed, Ryan is enthused. The former Massachusetts governor supports a defined-contribution model for Medicare — in which beneficiaries are allowed to choose their own plans — the keystone of the budget passed by House Republicans. ‘It shows we’re all singing from the same hymnal,’ he says.”- NRO

Romney details how he would tackle spending, debt – USA Today
 
ishii said:
Oh, I beg to differ. Have you heard Rubio speak? And he has been grilled by the press in a way that Palin never was before she was picked for veep (and it showed). I assure you, Cmatt, Rubio is the real deal, and the Dems will have to contend with him for many years as he is quite young. He has substance. I would say that he would have “the human gaffe machine” Biden, for lunch. If anything, he’ll point out the contradiction between Biden’s catholicism and his pro-abortion politics. Would love to see Biden explain that. We’ll have to wait and see.

Ishii
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Ishii, of course I have. Shocking as it might be to you, even some of us Christians who are registered to vote in Democratic Party primaries listen to all the candidates before we vote in a general. How else would I have known I didn’t want to vote for Marco? Voting is a right I take very seriously. Never have I missed voting in any election since I became eligible. To not listen to candidates before I vote would be ignorant of me. I like to be informed of a candidate’s positions on the many issues.

Ishii, if you’re still waiting, you apparently weren’t listening to Vice President Biden in 2008 when he explained his public policy position on abortion along with his religious belief as a Catholic. I just know I caught his explanation on I think it was a cable interview. Not certain if Sarah brought it up or not. But I imagine the Vice President would give Senator Rubio the same explanation.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
They would be considered seperated Christian bretheren that still needed to be exposed to the fullness of Truth.
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This has nothing to with whether they have the right to be called Christians. If you and Ishii have a problem with Catholic Church Catechism on who are Christians, you’ll have to take it up with someone other than me.
 
CMatt25 said:
Ishii, if you’re still waiting, you apparently weren’t listening to Vice President Biden in 2008 when he explained his public policy position on abortion along with his religious belief as a Catholic. I just know I caught his explanation on I think it was a cable interview. Not certain if Sarah brought it up or not. But I imagine the Vice President would give Senator Rubio the same explanation.
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You mean the usual double talk that Democrat catholics employ to explain their pro-abortion politics? Of course Biden has “explained” his stance: bet its something along the line of " I’m personally opposed to abortion but I wouldn’t want to impose my beliefs on others." Or, something like, “in a democracy of plural beliefs, we must tolerate other points of view.” Except when it comes to taxing and spending, then they are all for imposing their “morality” on others whether they like it or not.

I think Rubio is smart enough to be able to call bs on Biden in a debate. Actually, Santorum, too, has the ability to make the pro-abortion crowd squirm. When the pro-abortion crowd loses the debate they say, “I will not answer your questions.”

youtube.com/watch?v=ZoTjb9rzyEo

Ishii
 
CMatt25 said:
This has nothing to with whether they have the right to be called Christians. If you and Ishii have a problem with Catholic Church Catechism on who are Christians, you’ll have to take it up with someone other than me.
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Cmatt, when did I ever imply that I have the right to call someone not a christian?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Cmatt, when did I ever imply that I have the right to call someone not a christian?

Ishii
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When you stated what bothers you is the anti-Christian policies of the Democrat party. Democrats belong to the Democratic Party and adhere to what you call anti Christian.
 
CMatt25 said:
When you stated what bothers you is the anti-Christian policies of the Democrat party. Democrats belong to the Democratic Party and adhere to what you call anti Christian.
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Many of the policies supported by the Democrat party are indeed anti-christian - gay marriage, abortion on demand, for starters. But I still ask, where did I say that someone is not a christian? Its not up to me to decide whether someone is a christian or not. I can, however judge the policies of the current administration and say that they are not in line with christian values. And I can speculate that the Democrat catholics who support the Democrat party are ignorant.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Many of the policies supported by the Democrat party are indeed anti-christian - gay marriage, abortion on demand, for starters. But I still ask, where did I say that someone is not a christian? Its not up to me to decide whether someone is a christian or not. I can, however judge the policies of the current administration and say that they are not in line with christian values. And I can speculate that the Democrat catholics who support the Democrat party are ignorant.

Ishii
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Good Morning Ishii, I’ll try again to explain where I thought you might have been implying it and then I am dropping it.

Many Democrats are Christians and they adhere to policies you deem un- Christian. And there are Christian denominations allowing for pro choice or gay marriage or SS unions which are nevertheless still recognized by your church as Christian. Unless I’ve missed that the United Church of Christ and some of the other mainline-liberal churches are no longer recognized as Christian by your church.

But yes you can judge and speculate on others in accordance with the beliefs of your faith.
 
I am wondering why Huntsman is doing as poorly as he is. He appears to be an intelligent guy. What’s the problem?
 
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