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CMatt25
Guest
Maybe they’re only opposed unless it’s to their benefit not to be.
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Semper_Zelare
Guest
I notice there’s a question mark after you say Newt was a lobbyist.
Well, he wasn’t a lobbyist. And, it turns out that he didn’t even individually advise Freddie Mac. The $1.6 million went to an organization that Newt started called the Gingrich Group. Freddie Mac was only one client of dozens that the Gingrich Group advised. Simply, Newt was spending some of his efforts trying to make the bureaucracy in Washington more efficient.
The fact that part of that work was for Freddie Mac is no different than talking about “Cash for Clunkers” in the Auto Bailout. Cash for Clunkers was $4 billion of the $787 billion stimulus package. 4/787 = .5% Yet, what garnered a substantial part of the debate/ discussion about the Bill? This miniscule program.
That is like talking about the Gingrich Group advising Freddie Mac. The media spins it in a way which seems like Gingrich himself went there for years and was personally lobbying for them.
Well, it involved a fraction of the time of his Gingrich Group. How much of his personal time did he spend? Probably very little.
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louis91766
Guest
How do you explain what Michelle Bachmann had to say about this?
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/16/bachmann-gingrich-was-paid-to-influence-republicans-for-freddie-mac/
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Semper_Zelare
Guest
This is how I explain it:
- That picture of Michele Bachmann certainly gave me a start before I scrolled down to the actual article. Yet another proof of how she just looks crazy.
- Gingrich hasn’t yet addressed Bachmann, he addressed a story published by the Bloomberg News. He hasn’t addressed it, because this is a 24-hour news cycle. And, you’ve already moved on to the 2nd allegation. The 1st allegation was raised and answered, so now you’re on the 2nd one.
And 1 day later this charge is echoed across the entirety of the News Media.
- So, what I’ve implied, is there will be an answer. Probably sometime today.
- If Newt Gingrich can rise and fall in a week’s time over THIS, I blame the childish minds of the American people being so easily misled by the media. If you’re going to condemn Newt 2 days after the media even started talking about him, that’s your call.
You won’t find a candidate with a substantive campaign who has a chance of winning outside of Gingrich and Romney. Period.
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_Abyssinia
Guest
Ann-Coulter “The mainstream media keep pushing alternatives to Mitt Romney not only because they are terrified of running against him, but also because they want to keep Republicans fighting, allowing Democrats to get a four-month jump on us. Meanwhile, everyone knows the nominee is going to be Romney.” - Ann Coulter for TownHall
It is a little strange, first it was Bachmann, then Perry, Cain and now Gingrich, whereas Romney has pretty much stayed steady in the polls throughout. I like Gingrich though.
It is a little strange, first it was Bachmann, then Perry, Cain and now Gingrich, whereas Romney has pretty much stayed steady in the polls throughout. I like Gingrich though.
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_Abyssinia
Guest
No, what an atrocity for America, Catholicism and the poor if Obama is re elected and forces Catholic institutions to offer abortificants and contraception under ObamaCare, which the Catholic Church will not do, which means thousands of people will be without health care coverage.
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ishii
Guest
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Alan55
Guest
I realize that the received wisdom of most who post on CA Forums think that anyone who votes for a Democrat, particularly Obama, is ignorant of Church teaching and pro-choice. That’s not true. I am pro-life but when I look at the full range of issues, I find that Democratic candidates better represent my views. I do not vote on the basis of a single issue, and even if I did believe that pro-life issues should determine who I vote for, I would look to the full range of pro-life issues. There are those who argue here that no Catholic can vote for a Democrat, especially Obama. They’re wrong.
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estesbob
Guest
You are pro-life but vote to empower those who have vowed not only to keep abortion leagl but also force taxpayers to pay for it???
Yes there are “those” who argue no Catholic can vote for a canidate who supoorts unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand-in fact “those” are the magestrium of the Catholic Church:
“No, you can never vote for someone who favors absolutely what’s called the ‘right to choice’ of a woman to destroy human life in her womb, or the right to a procured abortion,” he said.
Cardinal Raymond Burke
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_Abyssinia
Guest
Do you understand that Pope Benedict, Pope Jon Paul and various Catholic Bishops have said a Catholic should not vote for supports who supports abortion, embryonic stem cell research, same sex ‘marriage?’ By voting for any candidate that supports one of those three things I listed you are going against the teachings of your faith.
What do you think about Obama’s less than ‘‘pro choice’’ attitude towards conscience rights and how his health care plan will mean Catholic institutions will not be able to offer health coverage. End of Catholic healthcare.
On so many issues, the faith and the Democrat party platform is diametrically opposed to do with marriage, faith, life etc. So it is not one issue. I have heard many times on here from Catholics saying about abortion and voting, I am not a one issue voter, the Democrat party sand the Catholic Church are not just opposed on the abortion issue, they are opposed on many issues.
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_Abyssinia
Guest
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 50: “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 7: “We assert the rights of families in all international programs and will not fund organizations involved in abortion. We strongly support the long-held policy of the Republican Party known as the Mexico City policy, which prohibits federal monies from being given to non-governmental organizations that provide abortions or actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other countries. We reject any treaty or agreement that would violate those values.”
Page 20: “We lament that judges have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional marriage laws from coast to coast.”
Page 38: “Because the family is our basic unit of society, we fully support parental rights to consent to medical treatment for their children including mental health treatment, drug treatment, alcohol treatment, and treatment involving pregnancy, contraceptives and abortion.”
Page 45: “We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception.”
Page 52: “Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
“Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.
“We have made progress. The Supreme Court has upheld prohibitions against the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. States are now permitted to extend health-care coverage to children before birth. And the Born Alive Infants Protection Act has become law; this law ensures that infants who are born alive during an abortion receive all treatment and care that is provided to all newborn infants and are not neglected and left to die. We must protect girls from exploitation and statutory rape through a parental notification requirement. We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. We salute those who provide them alternatives, including pregnancy care centers, and we take pride in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.”
2008 Democratic Party Platform: Silent on this issue.
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 52: “Respect for life requires efforts to include persons with disabilities in education, employment, the justice system, and civic participation. In keeping with that commitment, we oppose the nonconsensual withholding of care or treatment from people with disabilities, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which endanger especially those on the margins of society.”
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 21: “We will lift the current Administration’s ban on using federal funding for embryonic stem cells–cells that would have otherwise have been discarded and lost forever–for research that could save lives.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 40: “Taxpayer-funded medical research must be based on sound science, with a focus on both prevention and treatment, and in accordance with the humane ethics of the Hippocratic Oath. In that regard, we call for a major expansion of support for the stem-cell research that now shows amazing promise and offers the greatest hope for scores of diseases with adult stem cells, umbilical cord blood, and cells reprogrammed into pluripotent stem cells without the destruction of embryonic human life. We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”
2008 Democratic Party Platform: Silent on this issue.
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 40: We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 52: “We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 20: “We lament that judges have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional marriage laws from coast to coast.”
Page 50: “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 7: “We assert the rights of families in all international programs and will not fund organizations involved in abortion. We strongly support the long-held policy of the Republican Party known as the Mexico City policy, which prohibits federal monies from being given to non-governmental organizations that provide abortions or actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other countries. We reject any treaty or agreement that would violate those values.”
Page 20: “We lament that judges have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional marriage laws from coast to coast.”
Page 38: “Because the family is our basic unit of society, we fully support parental rights to consent to medical treatment for their children including mental health treatment, drug treatment, alcohol treatment, and treatment involving pregnancy, contraceptives and abortion.”
Page 45: “We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception.”
Page 52: “Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
“Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.
“We have made progress. The Supreme Court has upheld prohibitions against the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. States are now permitted to extend health-care coverage to children before birth. And the Born Alive Infants Protection Act has become law; this law ensures that infants who are born alive during an abortion receive all treatment and care that is provided to all newborn infants and are not neglected and left to die. We must protect girls from exploitation and statutory rape through a parental notification requirement. We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. We salute those who provide them alternatives, including pregnancy care centers, and we take pride in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.”
2008 Democratic Party Platform: Silent on this issue.
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 52: “Respect for life requires efforts to include persons with disabilities in education, employment, the justice system, and civic participation. In keeping with that commitment, we oppose the nonconsensual withholding of care or treatment from people with disabilities, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which endanger especially those on the margins of society.”
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 21: “We will lift the current Administration’s ban on using federal funding for embryonic stem cells–cells that would have otherwise have been discarded and lost forever–for research that could save lives.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 40: “Taxpayer-funded medical research must be based on sound science, with a focus on both prevention and treatment, and in accordance with the humane ethics of the Hippocratic Oath. In that regard, we call for a major expansion of support for the stem-cell research that now shows amazing promise and offers the greatest hope for scores of diseases with adult stem cells, umbilical cord blood, and cells reprogrammed into pluripotent stem cells without the destruction of embryonic human life. We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”
2008 Democratic Party Platform: Silent on this issue.
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 40: We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 52: “We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 20: “We lament that judges have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional marriage laws from coast to coast.”
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Scott_Lafrance
Guest
So, stealing money from one group and giving it to another group that has no claim to it is just as important as killing the unborn? Or is it giving gays the right to marry? Or killing the unborn embryos to conduct unproven science experiments on them? Which are the “wide range of issues” that are more important than protecting the defenseless?
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_Abyssinia
Guest
In Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum Caritatis Pope Benedict gave an adomition, he spoke of ‘‘non negotiable’’ values to be of central concern to a Christian in politics: ‘‘respect for human life, its defence from conception to natural death, the family built upon marriage between a man and a woman, the freedom to educate one’s children and the promotion of the common good in all its forms.’’
Democrat Party vs Republican party platform:
Abortion
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 50: “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 7: “We assert the rights of families in all international programs and will not fund organizations involved in abortion. We strongly support the long-held policy of the Republican Party known as the Mexico City policy, which prohibits federal monies from being given to non-governmental organizations that provide abortions or actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other countries. We reject any treaty or agreement that would violate those values.”
Page 20: “We lament that judges have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional marriage laws from coast to coast.”
Page 38: “Because the family is our basic unit of society, we fully support parental rights to consent to medical treatment for their children including mental health treatment, drug treatment, alcohol treatment, and treatment involving pregnancy, contraceptives and abortion.”
Page 45: “We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception.”
Page 52: “Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
“Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.
“We have made progress. The Supreme Court has upheld prohibitions against the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. States are now permitted to extend health-care coverage to children before birth. And the Born Alive Infants Protection Act has become law; this law ensures that infants who are born alive during an abortion receive all treatment and care that is provided to all newborn infants and are not neglected and left to die. We must protect girls from exploitation and statutory rape through a parental notification requirement. We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. We salute those who provide them alternatives, including pregnancy care centers, and we take pride in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.”
Euthanasia:
2008 Democratic Party Platform: Silent on issue.
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 52: “Respect for life requires efforts to include persons with disabilities in education, employment, the justice system, and civic participation. In keeping with that commitment, we oppose the nonconsensual withholding of care or treatment from people with disabilities, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which endanger especially those on the margins of society.”
Embryonic stem cell research:
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 21: “We will lift the current Administration’s ban on using federal funding for embryonic stem cells–cells that would have otherwise have been discarded and lost forever–for research that could save lives.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 40: “Taxpayer-funded medical research must be based on sound science, with a focus on both prevention and treatment, and in accordance with the humane ethics of the Hippocratic Oath. In that regard, we call for a major expansion of support for the stem-cell research that now shows amazing promise and offers the greatest hope for scores of diseases with adult stem cells, umbilical cord blood, and cells reprogrammed into pluripotent stem cells without the destruction of embryonic human life. We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”
Human Cloning:
2008 Democratic Party Platform: Silent on this issue.
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 40: We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”
Homosexual 'marriage:’
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 52: “We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 20: “We lament that judges have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional marriage laws from coast to coast.”
Page 53: “Preserving Traditional Marriage
continues.
Democrat Party vs Republican party platform:
Abortion
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 50: “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 7: “We assert the rights of families in all international programs and will not fund organizations involved in abortion. We strongly support the long-held policy of the Republican Party known as the Mexico City policy, which prohibits federal monies from being given to non-governmental organizations that provide abortions or actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other countries. We reject any treaty or agreement that would violate those values.”
Page 20: “We lament that judges have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional marriage laws from coast to coast.”
Page 38: “Because the family is our basic unit of society, we fully support parental rights to consent to medical treatment for their children including mental health treatment, drug treatment, alcohol treatment, and treatment involving pregnancy, contraceptives and abortion.”
Page 45: “We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception.”
Page 52: “Maintaining The Sanctity and Dignity of Human Life
“Faithful to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence, we assert the inherent dignity and sanctity of all human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.
“We have made progress. The Supreme Court has upheld prohibitions against the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. States are now permitted to extend health-care coverage to children before birth. And the Born Alive Infants Protection Act has become law; this law ensures that infants who are born alive during an abortion receive all treatment and care that is provided to all newborn infants and are not neglected and left to die. We must protect girls from exploitation and statutory rape through a parental notification requirement. We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. At its core, abortion is a fundamental assault on the sanctity of innocent human life. Women deserve better than abortion. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. We salute those who provide them alternatives, including pregnancy care centers, and we take pride in the tremendous increase in adoptions that has followed Republican legislative initiatives.”
Euthanasia:
2008 Democratic Party Platform: Silent on issue.
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 52: “Respect for life requires efforts to include persons with disabilities in education, employment, the justice system, and civic participation. In keeping with that commitment, we oppose the nonconsensual withholding of care or treatment from people with disabilities, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose euthanasia and assisted suicide, which endanger especially those on the margins of society.”
Embryonic stem cell research:
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 21: “We will lift the current Administration’s ban on using federal funding for embryonic stem cells–cells that would have otherwise have been discarded and lost forever–for research that could save lives.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 40: “Taxpayer-funded medical research must be based on sound science, with a focus on both prevention and treatment, and in accordance with the humane ethics of the Hippocratic Oath. In that regard, we call for a major expansion of support for the stem-cell research that now shows amazing promise and offers the greatest hope for scores of diseases with adult stem cells, umbilical cord blood, and cells reprogrammed into pluripotent stem cells without the destruction of embryonic human life. We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”
Human Cloning:
2008 Democratic Party Platform: Silent on this issue.
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 40: We call for a ban on human cloning and a ban on the creation of or experimentation on human embryos for research purposes.”
Homosexual 'marriage:’
2008 Democratic Party Platform:
Page 52: “We oppose the Defense of Marriage Act and all attempts to use this issue to divide us.”
2008 GOP Platform:
Page 20: “We lament that judges have denied the people their right to set abortion policies in the states and are undermining traditional marriage laws from coast to coast.”
Page 53: “Preserving Traditional Marriage
continues.
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_Abyssinia
Guest
Paragraph 34 of “Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship,” the Bishops guide to Catholics and voting:
- “A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who takes a position in favor of an intrinsic evil, such as abortion or racism, if the voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases, a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time, a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity.”
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Alan55
Guest
Guys, thanks for the comments. I am well aware of Church teaching on this subject. If you want to bully every Catholic into voting for Republicans, you are welcome to try, but I don’t buy that line of bull. I’ve heard it said in these Forums that any Catholic who votes for Obama commits a mortal sin. That’s not true. It isn’t a sin at all. it is, in my view, a responsible decision, in fact, the right moral choice.
One of my problems is that the Catholic faith is being reduced to a concern for issues surrounding procreation and sexuality. Republicans, starting with Nixon, have used abortion as a wedge issue to appeal to Catholic voters, and have been aided and abetted by politically conservative bishops. Such a narrow focus on procreation and sexuality bears very little relationhship to the gospel of Jesus Christ, which should be the focus of Catholic teaching and practice.
The Church in the U.S. has gone astray. I’ll believe that the Catholic Church is truly a Christian church when abortion takes its subsidiary place in the hierarchy of truths, which is way down the list as compared to entering into and developing a relationship with Jesus Christ, the Creed, the preferential option for the poor, etc. This poisonous abortion debate has warped our values, making us less Catholic, less Christian. We’re turning into an angry, frightened little cult that is increasingly irrelevant in this country and for good reasons.
So keep up the rants on abortion, on how Obama and those who vote for him have the blood of innocent children on their hands, etc., etc. I don’t buy it. I’ll vote for Obama and I’ll fight for true Catholic Christianity.
One of my problems is that the Catholic faith is being reduced to a concern for issues surrounding procreation and sexuality. Republicans, starting with Nixon, have used abortion as a wedge issue to appeal to Catholic voters, and have been aided and abetted by politically conservative bishops. Such a narrow focus on procreation and sexuality bears very little relationhship to the gospel of Jesus Christ, which should be the focus of Catholic teaching and practice.
The Church in the U.S. has gone astray. I’ll believe that the Catholic Church is truly a Christian church when abortion takes its subsidiary place in the hierarchy of truths, which is way down the list as compared to entering into and developing a relationship with Jesus Christ, the Creed, the preferential option for the poor, etc. This poisonous abortion debate has warped our values, making us less Catholic, less Christian. We’re turning into an angry, frightened little cult that is increasingly irrelevant in this country and for good reasons.
So keep up the rants on abortion, on how Obama and those who vote for him have the blood of innocent children on their hands, etc., etc. I don’t buy it. I’ll vote for Obama and I’ll fight for true Catholic Christianity.
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louis91766
Guest
I personally do not go by one particular picture of a candidate and make my decision on that one picture. I look at the honesty of the candidate: Has he been indicted for ethics violations, is he a solid family man (or woman) in actual real life, is he honest enough to refuse to accept huge million dollar compensation from a company who he has been criticising?
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qui_est_ce
Guest
When was the last time you refused your paycheck?
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scipio337
Guest
Unfortunately, the Bishop of Rome disagrees with you on your individual analysis of “the hierarchy of truths”.
Please don’t misconstrue a point to the error of your ways as “bullying”. It is done as an act of love.
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estesbob
Guest
No one is trying to bully you into voting Republican. Merely pointing out as a Catholic you can not vote for a pro-abortion canidate. The Church hasn’t gone astray- pro- choice Catholics have
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_Abyssinia
Guest
Nobody is trying to bully you, we’re trying to make you aware of a direct conflict between what the Church’s teachings are and what Pope Benedict and Bishops have said and between the Democrat party and Obama.
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