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I decided to go see it. Granted it is not historically accurate in many ways. However, that was not the point of the movie. The point was that those who love liberty and justice must fight those who desire to inflict mass tyranny. The muslims are correct in seeing it as being critical of them.

The Spartans, for all their faults, are clearly representing western civilization and freedom. The Persians are…well…Persians. Not much has changed. As in modern islamic Iran they represent the “hordes from the east” who wish to impose universal slavery. There are traitors in the west who are willing to sell out their own people to the invaders. To one Leonides says “may you live forever” in other words may your shame last for eternity. Xerxes demands one thing…submission. And what is that? Yep, that’s what islam means. It ain’t subtle folks.

Despite it’s historical errors and some questionable scenes this is the kind of film the islamicists are terrified of. They know if we produce films like this we could sway world opinion. Remember back in WWII? We won not just on the battlefield, but in the media. We can do it again with films like this. I would make some changes in it myself, but at least they got one thing right-we are the good guys.
 
Thanks for the review. I had thought it was just another crash-bang kill 'em movie, then this morning I read an article in the paper that says the Iranians are upset about it, saying it casts the Persians in a very unsavory light. Well, then, this is a must see!
 
I saw this movie in Imax and it was awesome. Like you, I definitely think this movie is critical of the Is-la-mists and their quest for world domination. That’s why it is struck a nerve at some from the religion of peace. Why feel nervous if you have nothing to worry about?
cestusdei said:
I decided to go see it. Granted it is not historically accurate in many ways. However, that was not the point of the movie. The point was that those who love liberty and justice must fight those who desire to inflict mass tyranny. The muslims are correct in seeing it as being critical of them.

The Spartans, for all their faults, are clearly representing western civilization and freedom. The Persians are…well…Persians. Not much has changed. As in modern islamic Iran they represent the “hordes from the east” who wish to impose universal slavery. There are traitors in the west who are willing to sell out their own people to the invaders. To one Leonides says “may you live forever” in other words may your shame last for eternity. Xerxes demands one thing…submission. And what is that? Yep, that’s what islam means. It ain’t subtle folks.

Despite it’s historical errors and some questionable scenes this is the kind of film the islamicists are terrified of. They know if we produce films like this we could sway world opinion. Remember back in WWII? We won not just on the battlefield, but in the media. We can do it again with films like this. I would make some changes in it myself, but at least they got one thing right-we are the good guys.
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*The King with half the East at heel has marched from lands of morning;

Their fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air.

And he that stands will die for nought, and home there’s no returning.*

The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair.

GKC
 
cestusdei said:
I decided to go see it. Granted it is not historically accurate in many ways. However, that was not the point of the movie. The point was that those who love liberty and justice must fight those who desire to inflict mass tyranny. The muslims are correct in seeing it as being critical of them.

The Spartans, for all their faults, are clearly representing western civilization and freedom. The Persians are…well…Persians. Not much has changed. As in modern islamic Iran they represent the “hordes from the east” who wish to impose universal slavery. There are traitors in the west who are willing to sell out their own people to the invaders. To one Leonides says “may you live forever” in other words may your shame last for eternity. Xerxes demands one thing…submission. And what is that? Yep, that’s what islam means. It ain’t subtle folks.

Despite it’s historical errors and some questionable scenes this is the kind of film the islamicists are terrified of. They know if we produce films like this we could sway world opinion. Remember back in WWII? We won not just on the battlefield, but in the media. We can do it again with films like this. I would make some changes in it myself, but at least they got one thing right-we are the good guys.
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I hope it is a better film than “Troy” - that was alright…but, it distorted the traditional tale horribly in places. :eek: :eek: The story loses all meaning if Menelaus is killed off before the walls of the city - and in this rendition, he was.​

 
FYI

Be weary of the sex content. If you’re looking to maintain any form of pure thought, maybe this movie isn’t for you. It’s got an erotic female oracle naked dance and a pretty blunt sex scene, not to mention the hordes of nasty Persian concubines.

I saw the movie once and loved it, except for that stuff.
 
cestusdei said:
I decided to go see it. Granted it is not historically accurate in many ways. However, that was not the point of the movie. The point was that those who love liberty and justice must fight those who desire to inflict mass tyranny. The muslims are correct in seeing it as being critical of them.
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IMO, the point of the movie was to satisfy the viewer’s lust for violence. I was very happy with it.
 
Many movies have violence, but sometimes there is an underlying message. Iran isn’t protesting the violence, given the nature of their regime that would be funny, but that underlying message which was not lost on them.
 
cestusdei said:
The Spartans, for all their faults, are clearly representing western civilization and freedom.
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The Spartans fought on the side of Western Civilization–as it existed at the time. I think it would be a stretch to say that the Spartans stood for freedom. Nonetheless, they were the allies of Athens and other Greek city states who could make a better claim in that regard. The Spartans were certainly fine representatives of honor, duty, country and sacrifice.
 
cestusdei said:
I decided to go see it. Granted it is not historically accurate in many ways. However, that was not the point of the movie. The point was that those who love liberty and justice must fight those who desire to inflict mass tyranny. The muslims are correct in seeing it as being critical of them.

The Spartans, for all their faults, are clearly representing western civilization and freedom. The Persians are…well…Persians. Not much has changed. As in modern islamic Iran they represent the “hordes from the east” who wish to impose universal slavery. There are traitors in the west who are willing to sell out their own people to the invaders. To one Leonides says “may you live forever” in other words may your shame last for eternity. Xerxes demands one thing…submission. And what is that? Yep, that’s what islam means. It ain’t subtle folks.

Despite it’s historical errors and some questionable scenes this is the kind of film the islamicists are terrified of. They know if we produce films like this we could sway world opinion. Remember back in WWII? We won not just on the battlefield, but in the media. We can do it again with films like this. I would make some changes in it myself, but at least they got one thing right-we are the good guys.
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I had the opportunity to see the movie again. You make valid points.
 
Here’s what a historian reviewer thought of it:

thestar.com/article/190493
And had Leonidas undergone the agoge, he would have come of age not by slaying a wolf, but by murdering unarmed helots in a rite known as the Crypteia. These helots were the Greeks indigenous to Lakonia and Messenia, reduced to slavery by the tiny fraction of the population enjoying Spartan “freedom.” By living off estates worked by helots, the Spartans could afford to be professional soldiers, although really they had no choice: securing a brutal apartheid state is a full-time job, to which end the Ephors were required to ritually declare war on the helots…
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300’s Persians are ahistorical monsters and freaks. Xerxes is eight feet tall, clad chiefly in body piercings and garishly made up, but not disfigured. No need – it is strongly implied Xerxes is homosexual which, in the moral universe of 300, qualifies him for special freakhood.*** This is ironic given that pederasty was an obligatory part of a Spartan’s education. ***This was a frequent target of Athenian comedy, wherein the verb “to Spartanize” meant “to bugger.” In 300, Greek pederasty is, naturally, Athenian.
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Interesting. We’re idealizing a culture that practiced slavery, murder, infanticide, and institutional pederasty.

But at least they killed Iranians, right?
 
pro_universal said:
Here’s what a historian reviewer thought of it:

thestar.com/article/190493

Interesting. We’re idealizing a culture that practiced slavery, murder, infanticide, and institutional pederasty.

But at least they killed Iranians, right?
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Are you justifying the Persian’s behavoir by placing blame on the Greeks? Are you saying the Persians were bad but so were the Greeks? Your view implies that you agree the Persians were bad by associating them with bad Greek behaviour.
 
jonfan said:
Are you justifying the Persian’s behavoir by placing blame on the Greeks? Are you saying the Persians were bad but so were the Greeks? Your view implies that you agree the Persians were bad by associating them with bad Greek behaviour.
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???

Uh, no, I’m saying the Greeks were slave-owners, and the Spartans in particular were fond of sex with young boys and that they killed innocent people as an “initiation rite.” About the only thing I can come up with that would make a person today think the Spartans were good people…is that they killed Persians. That is the only fact about their history that cestusdei, for example, seems to care about.

My view is that celebrating this kind of martial culture as the “origins of western civilization” is wrong. Where in my post is there a comparison to the Persians, or association with the Persians???
 
Not that they didn’t have their own problems, but Athens more than Sparta is to be admired for its contribution to the concept of democracy and self-rule. These are foundational contributions to Western Civilization. Sparta is to be admired for other things, such as stoicism, martial prowess and a willingness to make sacrifices where necessary.
 
pro_universal said:
But at least they killed Iranians, right?
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What were the Persians doing on the shore’s of Greece?

I saw it and liked it. It is defainatelya guy movie. Although I’m no movie expert, I thought the director did a great job. A lot of slow motion and black and white / brown and white filming added to the mood.
 
Michael_C said:
What were the Persians doing on the shore’s of Greece?

I saw it and liked it. It is defainatelya guy movie. Although I’m no movie expert, I thought the director did a great job. A lot of slow motion and black and white / brown and white filming added to the mood.
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The same things the Greeks were doing at the walls of Troy: behaving like an ancient society.
 
jonfan said:
So now your comapring ancient socities as ruthless and sinful, including the Persians.
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No, I didn’t do any comparison at all. I’m confused as to why you’re stuck on this–where in any of my posts is there a comparison of Greeks to Persians?
 
Pro-U wrote-

The same things the Greeks were doing at the walls of Troy: behaving like an ancient society.

Were the Persians we speak of in this thread not an acient society?
 
jonfan said:
Pro-U wrote-

The same things the Greeks were doing at the walls of Troy: behaving like an ancient society.

Were the Persians we speak of in this thread not an acient society?
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Uh, yes…that’s exactly what the sentence says. It is saying that the Persians were behaving like an ancient society.

Maybe you misread???
 
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