The 6000 Year Earth

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Are’nt you assuming the growth rates have been constant over the last 50 million years? 🙂
Yes, I am, until I have good geological reason not to. If I were to qualify this (and other) scientific assumption(s) to conform to the prescientific mythology of one nomadic desert tribe, science as we know it would become meaningless.

StAnastasia
 
Anyway, there is a post, way back on this thread with a link to a recent article on water in the earths mantle. In it the scientists estimate that there is several times the amount of water in the mantle as there is in all the oceans and seas on the surface. With some rudimentary calculations the total amount of water on planet earth could possibly reach 31,000 feet in depth.
And none of that water is available to cover the planet. And there is no geological evidence that water ever covered the planet. We’ve been over this ground before.
 
Yes, I am, until I have good geological reason not to. If I were to qualify this (and other) scientific assumption(s) to conform to the prescientific mythology of one nomadic desert tribe, science as we know it would become meaningless.

StAnastasia
You literally have no reason to believe the growth rates were constant over the last 50 million years. Do you know how fast two continental plates have to be moving to lift mountains 9 kilometers into the sky? Does this impact have no effect on the speed of the continental plates, i.e., do they not slow down when they crash? If they are moving slower now, because of the impact, how fast *were *they travelling initially?
Because I don’t know…:cool:
 
And none of that water is available to cover the planet. And there is no geological evidence that water ever covered the planet. We’ve been over this ground before.
Not available now. But there is at least one slender possibility that things could have been different. One must disprove that possibility to remove it permanently.:eek:😊
 
Funny guy, you changed the statement to say available water, I said water.
If it is not available, it is not relevant.
Anyway, there is a post, way back on this thread with a link to a recent article on water in the earths mantle. In it the scientists estimate that there is several times the amount of water in the mantle as there is in all the oceans and seas on the surface. With some rudimentary calculations the total amount of water on planet earth could possibly reach 31,000 feet in depth.
I’m not going to dispute your (or their) calculations because it is irrelevant if the water is not available.

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Tim
 
Not available now. But there is at least one slender possibility that things could have been different. One must disprove that possibility to remove it permanently.:eek:😊
You have that backwards. It is YOU that has to show that the water locked up in the mantle was available for your idea to merit any discussion. So if you want to continue with this line of reasoning, show how that water can be extracted, how did it happen and what were the effects of the process that extracted the water (ie the heat question, what happened to the rocks that lost the water, how did it get back into the mantle, etc…).

Peace

Tim
 
Same challenge to you as to Thing. For this water to be part of this discussion, you have to have at least some idea how the water was extracted from the mantle, how come the heat didn’t vaporize all life (including marine life and life in a wooden boat) and how the water got back into the mantle.

If you can do that, you can hypothesize that that water was the “fountains of the deep”. Otherwise, it isn’t available and therefore isn’t part of the story.

Peace

Tim
 
Same challenge to you as to Thing. For this water to be part of this discussion, you have to have at least some idea how the water was extracted from the mantle, how come the heat didn’t vaporize all life (including marine life and life in a wooden boat) and how the water got back into the mantle.

If you can do that, you can hypothesize that that water was the “fountains of the deep”. Otherwise, it isn’t available and therefore isn’t part of the story.

Peace

Tim
Could this be the “fountains of the deep”?
Inner Earth May Hold More Water Than the Seas

…Other research has suggested that a zone between the mantle and the crust also contain a great deal of water, the Japanese researchers noted. If so, there could be more than ten times the amount of water inside the planet as there is on its surface.
 
Same challenge to you as to Thing. For this water to be part of this discussion, you have to have at least some idea how the water was extracted from the mantle, how come the heat didn’t vaporize all life (including marine life and life in a wooden boat) and how the water got back into the mantle.

If you can do that, you can hypothesize that that water was the “fountains of the deep”. Otherwise, it isn’t available and therefore isn’t part of the story.

Peace

Tim
Arctic Ocean’s worth of water’ discovered in Earth’s mantle

…Previous predictions calculated that a cold ocean slab sinking into the earth at 1,200-1,400 kilometers beneath the surface would release water in the rock that would escape the rock and rise up to a region above it, but this was never previously observed.
 
You have that backwards. It is YOU that has to show that the water locked up in the mantle was available for your idea to merit any discussion. So if you want to continue with this line of reasoning, show how that water can be extracted, how did it happen and what were the effects of the process that extracted the water (ie the heat question, what happened to the rocks that lost the water, how did it get back into the mantle, etc…).

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Tim
I already did all that…
 
Really? I must have missed it. Could you either re-state it or provide a link to your post?

Peace

Tim
I can do neither, but its there and no, you did not miss it. In fact, I remember you were singularly unimpressed with it, I don’t understand why,… your exact words were ‘Nah’. 😃
 
Could this be the “fountains of the deep”?
Inner Earth May Hold More Water Than the Seas

…Other research has suggested that a zone between the mantle and the crust also contain a great deal of water, the Japanese researchers noted. If so, there could be more than ten times the amount of water inside the planet as there is on its surface.
Arctic Ocean’s worth of water’ discovered in Earth’s mantle

…Previous predictions calculated that a cold ocean slab sinking into the earth at 1,200-1,400 kilometers beneath the surface would release water in the rock that would escape the rock and rise up to a region above it, but this was never previously observed.
No change to my challenge. I understand that there is plenty of water in the mantle.

Without giving me a link to other sources that confirm that, can you give me a mechanism for that water to come to the surface, at a temperature that would not vaporize all life and then return to the crystalline lattices of mantle rocks or even relatively small areas of free-phase water?

Thanks.

Peace

Tim
 
I can do neither, but its there and no, you did not miss it. In fact, I remember you were singularly unimpressed with it, I don’t understand why,… your exact words were ‘Nah’. 😃
Wow, deja vu all over again!😉

Peace

Tim
 
No change to my challenge. I understand that there is plenty of water in the mantle.

Without giving me a link to other sources that confirm that, can you give me a mechanism for that water to come to the surface, at a temperature that would not vaporize all life and then return to the crystalline lattices of mantle rocks or even relatively small areas of free-phase water?

Thanks.

Peace

Tim
Hottest Water on the Planet
 
Not if you had been living in America, Australia and a lot of other places. 2009 - 600 = 1409.

rossum
Excuse me, i should have just said “past” But the point remains the same. Science has changed Biblical interpretation.
 
So I take it you don’t have a mechanism to do the things necessary to have the mantle water be the fountains of the deep.

As I said, that water is unavailable, so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

Peace

Tim
I remember a year or so ago debating you on whether or not there was sufficient water down below. As I recall you were pretty adamant that was not the case, so accepting this is a positive step. 🙂 The water is there, now we just need to know the mechanism.
 
I remember a year or so ago debating you on whether or not there was sufficient water down below. As I recall you were pretty adamant that was not the case, so accepting this is a positive step. 🙂 The water is there, now we just need to know the mechanism.
Well, there isn’t sufficient free-phase water down there. The vast majority of the water is tied up in the crystal lattice of the semi-molten rock. When you are talking about water for the flood, unless the water is free-phase, it isn’t available.

I stand by my assertion that there isn’t nearly enough water below to account for the flood.

You don’t just need the mechanism to get it out, you have to cool it off dramatically and you have to get it back in-place.

Oh, and remember that link you gave me about the black smokers? Remember that any free water that deep will be highly mineralized. You have to account for that too.

Peace

Tim
 
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