The 7 new mortal sins

[Ed_Rand]

If the antichrist tries to get us to eat bowling balls, I’d say he doesn’t have much of a chance!

 

[That_one_guy]

If the antichrist tries to get us to eat bowling balls, I’d say he doesn’t have much of a chance!

Looking at your signature guess its a good thing the lion wasn’t vegan or rome may not have fallen

 

[Ed_Rand]

Looking at your signature guess its a good thing the lion wasn’t vegan or rome may not have fallen

 

[cathybramble]

…] **With all the hunger in the world, it is hard no to feel guilty in the most abundant, rich society in the world. I have no doubt that abstaining from all sorts of things because of faith is always good. **

this one is a biggie to me as well.

The part of that passage that I find really interesting is that these people preach this false asceticism because of “branded consciences”. What does that mean? I have a feeling that it means that these people would have forsaken important parts of the faith, and, knowing this to be wrong, they attempt to make up for their transgressions by preaching asceticism in other areas. The liberal movement is full of guilt. I know, I am a liberal on so many issues. It is a righteous guilt it many ways. However, many liberals are “hypocrites and liars”, because they project that guilt out without ever looking in. They’ll condemn the wars, condemn the gluttony of their society, fight for animal rights, put their lives on the line to save a tree etc. etc., but when it comes to the parts of their personal lives that don’t line up with Biblical principles… Oh no! Don’t criticize them you bigot!

Example: The liberal, moralizing, vegan who lives in sexual sin and would refuse and even mock all Church teachings in regard to sexuality.

Example: The President elect whose outlook on the state of the U.S. and the world and whose concern for the poor I really tend to agree with who then turns around and says that he doesn’t want his daughter “punished with a baby” for making a mistake.

“The fruit of abortion is nuclear war”–Mother Theresa

This says to me that the liberals in the U.S. need to understand that their failures are intimately related to the failures of the selfish, “I am not my brother’s keeper” war-hawk conservatives.

Also, I think you would agree that the same non-Biblical reasons that some people preach vegetarianism will also be used to preach abortion as a solution.

i didn’t understand “branded consciences” either
but a quick search gave me this, which i think is helpful -

scripturetext.com/1_timothy/4-2.htm

“kauteriazo kow-tay-ree-ad’-zo: to brand (cauterize), i.e. (by implication) to render unsensitive (figuratively) – sear with a hot iron.”

so maybe it means that they are destroying the sensitivity of their conscience? making themselves hardened to things?

vegans who advocate abortion are very misguided confused people - i admit i don’t understand them myself. we live in a selfish society - one that screams if we lose even the smallest freedom or option about the way we live, even at the cost of those around us, other living creatures, and even our own unborn.

i will tell you that the arguments for consuming the excessive animal-based western diet as it exists now… are identical to the arguments for abortion:

“it’s my body and my choice.”
“don’t force your morality on me.”
“you’re trying to take away my freedom of (dietary/reproductive) choice.”
“you are on a self-righteous power trip.”

ya know… just sayin …

 

[That_one_guy]

A few more tidbits for those who care

Published on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 by the Inter Press Service
Patented Seeds Edge Out Local Varieties
by Keya Acharya

commondreams.org/headlines06/0627-04.htm

. ‘‘Once farmers lose control over their own seeds they will be pushed into dependency on patented seeds which are controlled by MNCs,’’ Shiva told IPS.

“Large corporates are applying aggressive trade practices to create a dependence on their seeds which offer immediate yields, but are not necessarily the best quality. It is difficult to make the farmer see long-term interests in this scenario,” says Gopal Rao Girish, general manager of agricultural extension in the Indian company, Green Agro Pack.

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rachel.org/en/node/4881

#666 - The Bad Seed, 01-Sep-1999

From the viewpoint of U.S. foreign policy,
genetically modified seeds offer a key advantage over
traditional seeds: because genetically modified seeds are
patented, it is illegal for a farmer to retain seed from this
year’s crop to plant next year. To use these patented seeds,
farmers must buy new seed from Monsanto every year.

Since 1995 the European Union has prohibited the treatment of
any farm animals with sex hormones intended to promote growth,
on grounds that sex hormones are known to cause several human
cancers.

The U.S.
argues that sex hormones only promote human cancers in
hormone-sensitive tissues, such as the female breast and uterus.

 

[Fran65]

I’m not advocating the widespread or permanent adoption of vegetarianism or veganism. There are many associated beliefs and practices that are not Catholic teaching and are often in direct contrast to it. However, what many Catholics do not realise is that our own Catechism speaks of the requirement to care for the environment and animals within the context of our Faith

Intensive farming and the industrial approach to raising, keeping and butchering farm animals for meat in which animals are routinely abused is not in keeping with Catholicism. The Catechism states this very clearly:

…Each of the various creatures, willed in its own being, reflects in its own way a ray of God’s infinite wisdom and goodness. Man must therefore respect the particular goodness of every creature, to avoid any disordered use of things which would be in contempt of the Creator and would bring disastrous consequences for human beings and their environment. CCC: 339

Of course, the debate occurs when trying to reach agreement about what is meant by ‘disordered use’. For me, keeping animals in ways in which they become sick, aggressive to one another, and experience suffering is disordered use. Keeping animals in as a natural environment as possible - for example Chickens that can roam, roost and engage in normal behaviour - is one way of showing our respect for ‘the particular goodness’ of that creature. For that reason I don’t eat battery farmed chickens or eggs. As I said earlier I’d rather eat less meat and eggs than participate in a system that is abusive and disrespectful of God’s creation.

In doing so I express part of my identity as a faithful Catholic.

 

[cathybramble]

I’m not advocating the widespread or permanent adoption of vegetarianism or veganism. There are many associated beliefs and practices that are not Catholic teaching and are often in direct contrast to it. However, what many Catholics do not realise is that our own Catechism speaks of the requirement to care for the environment and animals within the context of our Faith

Intensive farming and the industrial approach to raising, keeping and butchering farm animals for meat in which animals are routinely abused is not in keeping with Catholicism. The Catechism states this very clearly:

Of course, the debate occurs when trying to reach agreement about what is meant by ‘disordered use’. For me, keeping animals in ways in which they become sick, aggressive to one another, and experience suffering is disordered use. Keeping animals in as a natural environment as possible - for example Chickens that can roam, roost and engage in normal behaviour - is one way of showing our respect for ‘the particular goodness’ of that creature. For that reason I don’t eat battery farmed chickens or eggs. As I said earlier I’d rather eat less meat and eggs than participate in a system that is abusive and disrespectful of God’s creation.

In doing so I express part of my identity as a faithful Catholic.

well said :clapping:

disordered use can lead to very serious sin - even a good thing taken to excess… with food it is called gluttony. i think the use of fur for fashion is another disordered use of animals - it is vanity. puppy mills (well most modern large-scale operations involving animals) are driven by greed.

as you say - it is a matter of recognizing that our Faith applies to many situations around us.

 

[Ed_Rand]

Looking at your signature guess its a good thing the lion wasn’t vegan or rome may not have fallen

I’m sure that if you captured a vegan, put him in a cage and starved him like those poor lions, he would eat Christians too!

 

[Ed_Rand]

I’m sure that if you captured a vegan, put him in a cage and starved him like those poor lions, he would eat Christians too!

as long as the Christian wasn’t cooked first!!!

 

[That_one_guy]

I’m sure that if you captured a vegan, put him in a cage and starved him like those poor lions, he would eat Christians too!

as long as the Christian wasn’t cooked first!!!

Well, the only Christian I wanna Eat is The body and blood of Jesus himself.

 

[cathybramble]

I’m sure that if you captured a vegan, put him in a cage and starved him like those poor lions, he would eat Christians too!

i hear they taste like veal

 

[That_one_guy]

i hear they taste like veal

you guys are making me ill…

 

[Ed_Rand]

you guys are making me ill…

I like that part in the movie Alive where they’re stranded in the Andes after a plane crash and they have a meeting to decide who is okay with being eaten after they die. One of the men says “Sure, but if you eat me, you’d better clean your plates!”

 

[That_one_guy]

I like that part in the movie Alive where they’re stranded in the Andes after a plane crash and they have a meeting to decide who is okay with being eaten after they die. One of the men says “Sure, but if you eat me, you’d better clean your plates!”

Well.I’m not sure if cannibalism is being a good steward or not.But,in the spirit of being humorous I’ll state that a Vegan would taste better because they are organic.

 

[Dtmccameron]

Most of these are already grave sins - you surely don’t think pedophilia, drug dealing or abortion only just became sinful recently?

As is, the seven deadly sins (jog my memory please, weren’t they the ‘Vices’?) cover every sin there is, as do the Ten Commandments, as do those Two commandments Our Lord gave us.

So there is no need at all for there to be a redesignation of Vices. Simply an explination “drug dealing falls under wrath, avarice” etc, etc…

To That one guy, while I agree that the only flesh I desire to consume is that of Our Lord, does He count as a Christian? After all, doesn’t Christian mean “Child of Christ”?

 

[That_one_guy]

To That one guy, while I agree that the only flesh I desire to consume is that of Our Lord, does He count as a Christian? After all, doesn’t Christian mean “Child of Christ”?

It’s a figure of speech.I know that Jesus was technically a Jew.But,if you really want to get nit-picky,…well,…Jesus is also his own father.(it’s a trinitarian thing).So,I guess He would also be a child of Himself.
I just confused myself,…

 

[Alphonsus_John]

I googled “Pope Benedict 7 new deadly sins”… there are actually quite a few news stories about this. The following link is just one of the results.

cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/03/13/new.sins/index.html

If you notice, no one from the Vatican, Pope included said anything remotely resembling “new seven deadly sins”. It’s the media putting words in their mouth.

 

[That_one_guy]

If you notice, no one from the Vatican, Pope included said anything remotely resembling “new seven deadly sins”. It’s the media putting words in their mouth.

and this makes the issues that ARE referred to unimportant because…

 

[That_one_guy]

If you notice, no one from the Vatican, Pope included said anything remotely resembling “new seven deadly sins”. It’s the media putting words in their mouth.

By the way,Alphonsus, Thanks for the link.Very cool.

From the same link

In his L’Osservatore interview, Girotti said pollution and genetic engineering, as well as drug dealing, abortion, pedophilia, social injustice and extreme wealth were now on record as mortal sins, those the Church deems most offensive to God and those that could land you a spot in hell without repentance.
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* Vatican official suggests new list of 'deadly sins'

“In different times, in moments of history, cultural moments, technological moments, sins dress themselves up, so to speak, in a different way,” the Rev. John Wauck from Rome’s Pontifical University of the Holy Cross told CNN.

“The underlying sin tends to be the same – a variation of a theme of selfishness, a lack of respect for others, of lying, cheating , stealing or killing,” Wauck said.

In the modern age, people find new ways to commit the seven deadly sins.

“Our wrath has new outlets and we have new technology with which to deceive people or even kill people,” Wauck said.

Suddenly,with Papa ‘Ratzi’ at the helm,The Church seems to be moving forward in the direction usually associated with hippies and neo-pagans and new agers.
I’m liking this.A bunch of old fuddy-duddy conservatives stepping on their liberal toes!!!

 

[That_one_guy]

Climate Change May Boost Contact With Pollutants
from my Yahoo news page…

FRIDAY, Dec. 26 (HealthDay News) – Global climate change may lead to a rise in health problems due to increased exposure to harmful air pollutants, suggest researchers who reviewed studies projecting the impact of climate change on air quality.

The review authors also concluded that reducing greenhouse gas emissions could help reduce the harmful effects of climate change.

The review looked at how climate change will affect ground-level ozone, a known pulmonary irritant that affects the respiratory mucous membranes, other lung tissues, and respiratory function. Exposure to elevated levels of ozone is associated with increased hospital admissions for asthma, allergic rhinitis, pneumonia, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), and other respiratory diseases.

“Projections suggest that climate change will increase concentrations of tropospheric ozone, at least in high-income countries, when precursor emissions are held constant, which would increase morbidity and mortality,” wrote review authors Kristie L. Ebi and Glenn McGregor. “The potential impact of climate change on ozone concentrations have not been projected for low-income countries, many of which currently have significantly higher ozone exposures.”

I’m not trying to be an alarmist.But,things are happening.As Christians it is important that we get more active in environmental action.We have been told to take care of our planet.

“The sins of today have a social resonance as well as an individual one,” said Girotti. “In effect, it is more important than ever to pay attention to your sins.”

Girotti said the new sins were intended “as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalisation”.

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbour’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations that alter DNA or compromise embryos,” said Girotti.

Mortal sins are a very serious business, according to Roman Catholic doctrine. They represent a “grave violation of God’s law” leading to “eternal death” if unrepented by the act of confession.

Meanwhile, in the US the politically influential Southern Baptist church, an often staunch critic of climate change science and green campaigners, has signalled that it could shift its stance on the environment after a group of 40 leading figures within the church issued a declaration claiming that it had been “too timid” in its response to climate change and as a result is seen around the world as being “uncaring, reckless and ill-informed”.

The developments further underline the growing moral pressure being placed on billions of consumers worldwide to embrace greener and more sustainable lifestyles.