The Abortion Debate No One Wants To Have

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The Abortion Debate No One Wants To Have

Prenatal testing is making your right to abort a disabled child more like “your duty” to abort a disabled child.


If it’s unacceptable for William Bennett to link abortion even conversationally with a whole class of people (and, of course, it is), why then do we as a society view abortion as justified and unremarkable in the case of another class of people: children with disabilities?

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This article:
  1. makes me grateful to the author for sharing her experiences with her beautiful daughter, as well as the negativity that surrounds her; and
  2. supports my decision to only ever see pro-life Catholic OB-GYNs from now on, especially if I am ever blessed enough to carry a pregnancy past the 1st trimester.
    This really underscores what a double-edged sword genetic testing is. On one hand, those who are genetically predisposed to certain diseases (such as breast cancer, heart disease, etc.) can begin preventative treatment early in life, and hopefully ward off future illness. On the other hand, we have the ugly attitudes described in this article (not those of the author, but of many around her). This also says a lot about our society and how we view those who are “less than perfect”. If imperfect children are disposable while in utero, what’s to stop us from following “ethicist” Peter Singer of Princeton University to the next level and declaring that parents of born disabled children should be allowed to terminate those children’s lives?
 
I think it is both scary and sad. I serve people with developmental disabilities and I can assure the left-wing elite Ivy League ethicist mentioned in the article that these individuals are most definitely human beings worthy of life!
 
Maybe the general “they” out there have not met people with Down’s. I have. I cannot conceive anyone would want to kill them having met them.

That society goes around wanting to kill people makes the lives of all of us remaining in society that much more miserable and disconnected. I put forth the proposition that maybe abortion to kill off the disabled creates more misery than it “solves”.
 
There was a question posed to listeners of a radio show ( I can’t remember who it was tho, maybe Rush LImbaugh???) But they asked if you knew that your child was either going to be an alcoholic, be deaf, or be a faithful Catholic which would you choose to keep? Of course most people went w/ the 3rd one. Well, it turns out most people would have ended up aborting Winston Churchill, Mozart and keeping Adolf Hitler. Nice huh?
 
A woman has the right to refuse these tests. My DD said no and the Dr agreed. Along with the test comes the risk of miscarrage.
 
Neither was Mozart deaf, I think they had him confused with Beethoven. 🙂
 
I think I had him confused! Sorry, its been a while since I heard it. But HItler was catholic, not faithful, but he was catholic.
 
Hitler and much of the SS were into some freakish occult stuff, from what I’ve read.

If you define catholic as anyone who was baptized, then OK. But I would respectfully submit that there is a line that can be crossed at which one repudiates their catholic faith. Sentencing a whole pile of priests, nuns, and religious to death camps for speaking the truth of the gospel counts as one, IMO.
 
Excellent article–one which highlights the insidous effect of mortgaging “just a part” of one’s values. Interesting how just a small tear can be pulled, twisted and stretched until it tears apart the fabric of a whole society.
 
One thing to fear about pre-natal testing – I think eventually insurance company’s will make it mandatory to have pre-natal tests & if the tests turn up positive, the insurance company’s will force the parents into an abortion or else they will not cover any future costs for the unborn child.

Also, as pointed out before some countries force the parents to abort based on the sex on the child. For instance, China has a one child only policy. If tests show the unborn baby is female, then the parents may choose to abort because they want their only child to be a son to carry on the fathers name.

The more I think about abortion, the more I get sicker & sicker. America needs to finally wake up after 32 years!!
 
I watched a Dateline show Sunday about a little girl who is about the size and developmentally the same as an 8 month old child and is 12 years old. NOTHING shows wrong on any test. There is no answer for why she is the way she is and nothing would have show up if there had been any kind of pre-natal testing.

There is such a push in society for ‘perfection’. I am a recovering alcoholic. I know I put my mother through hell the years that I was drinking as a way to treat my alcoholism; however, I also know that she prayed me into recovery. Were all those years of my mother praying wasted years? I don’t think so, and either does she.

It scares me to think that people would want me aborted because I cannot safely drink alcohol. Next they will develop a test to determine how someone will vote and if you don’t like the way a person will develop politically then kill them in the womb…
 
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There was a question posed to listeners of a radio show ( I can’t remember who it was tho, maybe Rush LImbaugh???) But they asked if you knew that your child was either going to be an alcoholic, be deaf, or be a faithful Catholic which would you choose to keep? Of course most people went w/ the 3rd one. Well, it turns out most people would have ended up aborting Winston Churchill, Mozart and keeping Adolf Hitler. Nice huh?
Mozart wasn’t deaf; Beethoven was. Hitler was Catholic just like 99% of Austrians were but whether he was “faithful” is debatable - putting it mildly -; and as for Churchill, he liked all of life’s pleasures, alconol, food, tobacco, big houses, luxury and he never exercised was grossly obese and lived to a ripe old age. The queen of England attended his funeral which was the first time in history the reigning monarch attended the funeral of a commoner.
 
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PLAL:
One thing to fear about pre-natal testing – I think eventually insurance company’s will make it mandatory to have pre-natal tests & if the tests turn up positive, the insurance company’s will force the parents into an abortion or else they will not cover any future costs for the unborn child.
It has already happened - someone at my Protestant Church’s Bible Study was telling us a few weeks ago about how she had friends who had this happen to them… Praise God the baby, despite these tests that said it definately had a certain health defect (that was going to cost the parents tons of money since the insurance company was not going to pay), when the baby was born it was absolutely normal and healthy… But that is the scary thing - that some insurance companies have already gone to this…
 
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migurl:
There was a question posed to listeners of a radio show ( I can’t remember who it was tho, maybe Rush LImbaugh???) But they asked if you knew that your child was either going to be an alcoholic, be deaf, or be a faithful Catholic which would you choose to keep?
The one made in the image of God. Oh that’d be all of them.
 
My daughter recently had her 3rd child and plans on more if its in God’s plan. She being the sister of a severly disabled and Autistic younger brother is constantly being told to get genetic testing, you don’t want to repeat your Mother’s MISTAKE:ehh: (gee, I never considered him my mistake) by so many of the Medical profession. This is said with"kindness in their voice" and they are only thinking of her “best interest”:rolleyes: Naturally she refused and was actually told “You have quite a narrow minded view towards this, you should think twice about what you are doing to the children you already have” She has, she was raised with a handicap brother. She believes having him for a brother has actually enriched her life. We pray it never happens again of course, but if its in God’s plan, we all will accept God’s will.
 
Also another point, what happens if your “perfect” baby becomes disabled after a few years, I know of a couple who wanted after years of “waiting for just the right time” to have a child, found themselves unable to concieve naturally(a decade and a half on the pill?) had IVF and all the “proper” testing gave birth to a perfect little male child (what they wanted) he was the perfect accessory for their lifestyle and promtly put in in daycare in 2 months to return to work to keep up their perfect lifestyle. At age 2 he took his nap at daycare and fell from a top bunk bed against the wall, he nearly hung himself, the child survived and but was severly brain damaged. After they sued got their money, they could no longer deal with this child after a few years, and place him in the foster care system. We have become a cold hearted uncaring group of people, if its not what we “paid for” either get rid of it before birth or if something should go wrong, just get rid of it. Sick, sick world.
 
What have my wife and I learned after having a daughter with Down Syndrome?

We learned that there is nothing wrong with her, she is just the way God intended.

Now for all the negative stuff that we had to shrug off from the time we found out unitl now.

My wife received a phone call telling her that the AFP test she took was abnormal. We were told she showed signs of being at risk for delivering a child with DS. The only sure way to tell was to have an amnio, which we elected to do. We were’nt exactly practicing catholics at the time and we really wanted to know for sure. The amnio came back positive. After a couple of weeks to absorb what was happening, we decided to tell out friends and family to allow them to prepare as well.

Most of them were fine with it and offered their support. My wife found a local DS support group and started to attend meetings. But there was still negative things that happened. My own sister responded by asking why we were keeping the baby. She stated it would be unfair to bring a child into the world who would have to suffer throughout it’s life. She even went on to say, that it was God who gave us the technology to abort an unwanted child.😦

My wife was assigned to a high risk ob/gyn to follow her through the pregnancy. Our first visit went something like this; “Well I’ve looked at your chart, and it looks like from a legal standpoint you have just about two weeks to decied whether or not you are going to keep this baby or terminate the pregnancy. If you decide to terminate, no one will fault you. No one will blame you.” We were appalled at this horrible bedside manner, as it had already been clearly noted in her chart we were keeping the baby.

This same doctor gave us another possible way out when it was discovered our daughter had some “major” heart defects. He told us during an ultra sound that the babies Aorta was attached in the wrong place. My wife was given the opportunity to decide on fetal heart monitoring. If she chose not to have it, she could “Just let mother nature take it’s course”. Again the doctor commented that no one would fault her, in fact she could possibly mis-carry and then she wouldn’t even have to feel guilty. She was then scared with comments like, “If you decide to have the monitoring, and I see something is wrong, I am morally and legally obligated to intervene by doing an emergency c-section to deliver the child.” He actually used the word “morally”.

Well, we shrugged it all off and went forward. My wife deliverd a full term beautiful baby girl. After 6 days in the NICU, we took her home. After about four months, we both came to the conclusion that she was every bit as perfect as any other child. Our grieving ended right there. Sure, she has to have open heart surgery next year to repair several holes in her heart. But her Aorta is in the right place, and her heart condition is not emergent, and theoreticaly could be left alone with only a small risk of issues later in life.

So, 10 short months later, my wife tells me she is pregnant. I looked up and said, “Funny joke God.” Well, He wasn’t joking. The doctors of course recommended all sorts of genetic testing, so we could avoid another child with DS. We told them all to take a hike! We even opted not ot have the AFP test. Especially after we found out it had a 60% false positive rating. Can you imagine, 60% of the positive tests are wrong. It was after I found this out, I asked the genetic counselor how many women aborted based off the AFP test alone. The answer was an astounding 70-80%! Now my wife and I would never consent to another amnio, but just think of how many perfectly healthy babies are being aborted each and every day all because of an extremely faulty test!

As I said in the beginning, our little angel is perfect. She is just the way God intended her to be. And everytime my sister comes to visit, I hand our little angel over to her so she can hold her, and look into her little eyes. Needless to say, my sister wont say anything, but I can tell she has suffered over her comment, and she has changed for the better.🙂
 
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