The accursed tree

[Godhead]

Well I guess it may make you stronger. If you feel you want to bath in pain then God will be accomodating to your wishes.

Hed rather you didnt, but if you wish He didnt deliver you then thats your choice. But His offer is there on the table, your choice.

In hell I burn. My faith is sustained.

 

[exoflare]

no I’m not really 16. I’m 26. I just said I was 16 to watch the behaviour of your words change from adult to parent. Talking down to me.

You should have stuck with being 16. Now you have no excuse.

 

[Godhead]

Godhead, in another thread you said you were sixteen. Are you European and does “college” mean the American “high school”, or are you Canadian and does “college” mean the American “junior college” and you’re a couple years ahead, or are you just making stuff up? If the last, that makes people less inclined to listen to you.

ETA: I’m leaving this here, but want to say that I think this post was not made in a spirit of charity. Apologies.

the spirit of charity or the spirit of wisdom? It does not appear charitable to you because it goes against your beliefs. Trust me the common man’s beliefs have no wisdom in them. O it does you say? So now you are all wise because you parrot words and phrases that you hear from others. If the church says it’s true then it must be true. So with this logic we can begin to tear apart the foundation of the church.
A) If the church says it’s true then it must be true.
B) Church doctrine has changed over the centuries.
C) If new church doctrine has dispelled the old then the old teachings were lies.
D) Now you have the new teachings which are the truth.
E) Then when new doctrines are drawn up and they are defeated or altered by newer ones then they become lies to.
F) Beliefs are the bullets of the wicked.

 

[exoflare]

B) Church doctrine has changed over the centuries.

It’s amazing… the more you post, the more you make yourself look like a complete fool.

Can you post some evidence for this claim? (like it matters )

 

[LilyM]

Think about it, I know that it is incomprehensible to your mind; but ponder it. Why should I worship another being? Who cares if he created me? Who really cares about another being that is more powerful than me? Why should I worship anything? Do animals worship things? Do they really care if there is a god? And God provides for these. Why should I have to beg and plead with God, for him to provide me with stuff? Why? Why say praise God this and praise God that, what does it accomplish? What? A sense in your mind–that God is present? What God is found in words, words that you can’t let go?
Isn’t it a yea or nea; and anything that procedes from this comes from evil? So why can’t I just say yes or no to the obstacles that God puts in my path? Why must I say praise him for this and praise him for that? If I should worship him in truth and he has no need of my praise then why do I have to worship him in the way you do? Doesn’t anything more than yea or nea come from evil?

Put it this way - God provides for some the PHYSICAL needs of animals and man (not all - animals and humans do starve, get sick, and suffer physically in other ways) - regardless of whether we worship him or try to have some sort of relationship or connection with him or not.

But our needs and wants of course extend beyond the physical. We humans, to a unique degree, have mental, emotional, psychological and spiritual needs too. And the people, things, even the ideas and the creative products, around us simply cannot fill all of these all the time. That’s where God comes in - if we let him. Fills in the empty spaces that power, possessions, the love of others and even knowledge can’t fill.

And no, you don’t HAVE to worship God if you don’t want to - or do what he asks of you - of course. But you know that even in this world we rarely if ever get something for nothing. Most always some kind of effort is required in return for any benefit we receive. What makes you think the afterlife is any different? Why do you expect God to care about you and support you indefinitely if you show nothing but disdain for him in return?

 

[PaulDupre]

In the quote you cited from Matthew 5:33-37,

33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:

35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

was Jesus talking about rashly swearing oaths to prove ourselves to other people, not about whether we should worship God or not.

It is very dishonest to take a verse of the bible out of context to try to make a point not even remotely addressed by the verse you cite.

If you study the bible in its entirety, which I’m sure you have not done, the overriding message is that we should love God with our whole might, mind heart and strength and love our neighbor as ourselves. (Matt 22:37-40)

There are really two parts to loving God that way - we are to worship Him heartily and openly and we are to obey Him completely. This is the message of the bible. Everything else is just details about these two things.

God love you,
Paul

 

[kellie]

no I’m not really 16. I’m 26. I just said I was 16 to watch the behaviour of your words change from adult to parent. Talking down to me.

I don’t lie I worship him in spirit and in truth. And I worship him by not worshipping him.

 

[eliasaph99]

Listen, snakes have always crawled on their bellies. In truth, God did not curse the snake and force it to crawl on it’s belly. Snakes have always crawled on their bellies.

I don’t know if someone said this already, as this is way back from the beginning of this thread and I don’t have time to read the entire 5 pages, but the above is false.

Many species of snakes have vestigial legs. If you dissected them you would find tiny “arm” and “leg” bones, along with “toe” and “finger” bones. At some point in the past, they walked.

 

[Nevarlander]

the spirit of charity or the spirit of wisdom? It does not appear charitable to you because it goes against your beliefs. Trust me the common man’s beliefs have no wisdom in them. O it does you say? So now you are all wise because you parrot words and phrases that you hear from others. If the church says it’s true then it must be true. So with this logic we can begin to tear apart the foundation of the church.
A) If the church says it’s true then it must be true.
B) Church doctrine has changed over the centuries.
C) If new church doctrine has dispelled the old then the old teachings were lies.
D) Now you have the new teachings which are the truth.
E) Then when new doctrines are drawn up and they are defeated or altered by newer ones then they become lies to.
F) Beliefs are the bullets of the wicked.

No, spirit of charity. I still think you are a high schooler who’s trying to be profound (the Metallica and System of a Down quotes told me all I needed to know), but if you say something true yet negative about someone when you don’t have a good reason, it’s still mean. And I often enjoy being mean.
If F), beliefs are the bullets of the wicked, and therefore untrue because evil, is true, then you can’t know anything if you want to be virtuous. Logically you can only think in gibberish. But if you just keep repeating that phrase and treating it like some magical talisman against being infected by the evil of the believers, you’re going to start believing it. So a lot of what you’re saying has become nonsensical. I’m sorry, but you make almost no sense a lot.

 

[edward_george]

Godhead,

I suggest you start reading Thomas Aquinas and Augustine of Hippo–and not System of a Down.

-ACEGC

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This thread is now closed. Thanks to all who participated.

God bless-

Rachel