The Age of Aquarius

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I don’t know how many of you are interested by astrology or have heard the song from the seventies about it, but I’m curious about the Age of Aquarius and if we’ve entered it.

Also, if one believed in it (which I personally do not) but what the Christian implication of this age would be or how it would help convey the Christian ideal since this age is rooted in understanding, love, and personal spiritual discovery.
 
I don’t know how many of you are interested by astrology or have heard the song from the seventies about it, but I’m curious about the Age of Aquarius and if we’ve entered it.

Also, if one believed in it (which I personally do not) but what the Christian implication of this age would be or how it would help convey the Christian ideal since this age is rooted in understanding, love, and personal spiritual discovery.
What does your signature say?

I was curious as to this topic, but don’t have any answers for you. I don’t see understanding, love in this world - I see Islam on the march and some communist countries not stopping their persecutions, and our country wanting to be more like those same junk countries.

As for a Christian implication - I don’t know. How come Christians don’t help out the Christians who are being persecuted all over the place and instead help out Islam’s march on this world? is my question - that is the anti-thesis to love and understanding.

You don’t have to answer it though. I was just thinking about what you say the age of Aquarius meant to you. I am more interested in what your signature says.
 
I don’t know how many of you are interested by astrology or have heard the song from the seventies about it, but I’m curious about the Age of Aquarius and if we’ve entered it.

Also, if one believed in it (which I personally do not) but what the Christian implication of this age would be or how it would help convey the Christian ideal since this age is rooted in understanding, love, and personal spiritual discovery.
Depending on what astrological sources you refer to, the Age of Aquarius dawned on a Europe that had yet to discover the New World (circa 1447) or will not begin for another millenium-and-a-half (circa 3597).

More importantly, is the fact that astrology has no connection to Christianity, except that the Church rejects all forms of superstition.
 
Depending on what astrological sources you refer to, the Age of Aquarius dawned on a Europe that had yet to discover the New World (circa 1447) or will not begin for another millenium-and-a-half (circa 3597).
If one uses the date of Constantine the Great’s signing in 313 AD of the Edict of Milan, which gave Christians the right to practice their faith openly in the Roman Empire, as the beginning of the Age of Pisces (pisces, fish, ichthys, “fisher of men”, Jesus Christ, get it?), then the Age of Aquarius can be dated to begin around 2400 AD. Of course, the foundations of the AoA are being laid right now, just like the birth of Jesus (about 300 years before the signing of the Edict) was an essential part of the foundation for the AoP.
More importantly, is the fact that astrology has no connection to Christianity…
…except, of course, in the case of the wise men from the East, who were probably Zoroastrian astrologers, though some say they came from points even further east. Those wise men knew their astrology, and that led them to the Holy Infant.
 
I don’t know how many of you are interested by astrology or have heard the song from the seventies about it, but I’m curious about the Age of Aquarius and if we’ve entered it.

Also, if one believed in it (which I personally do not) but what the Christian implication of this age would be or how it would help convey the Christian ideal since this age is rooted in understanding, love, and personal spiritual discovery.
The Age of Aquarius has Come & gone… It has NO Implications for Christians. It was nothing more than NEW AGE BS. Astrology Nonsense!
 
I don’t know how many of you are interested by astrology or have heard the song from the seventies about it, but I’m curious about the Age of Aquarius and if we’ve entered it.

Also, if one believed in it (which I personally do not) but what the Christian implication of this age would be or how it would help convey the Christian ideal since this age is rooted in understanding, love, and personal spiritual discovery.
Many people are unaware that the so-called ‘hippie peace symbol’ is a broken Cross, turned upside-down. It was of Satanic invention.

Hippies have nothing to do with any sort of Christian ideal.
 
What does your signature say?

I was curious as to this topic, but don’t have any answers for you. I don’t see understanding, love in this world - I see Islam on the march and some communist countries not stopping their persecutions, and our country wanting to be more like those same junk countries.

As for a Christian implication - I don’t know. How come Christians don’t help out the Christians who are being persecuted all over the place and instead help out Islam’s march on this world? is my question - that is the anti-thesis to love and understanding.

You don’t have to answer it though. I was just thinking about what you say the age of Aquarius meant to you. I am more interested in what your signature says.
The signature is some variation on the “Jesus Prayer”, fundamental to Eastern Christianity. It says “Oh Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner”. All the versions I’ve heard start with “Ayyuha” (أيها), not “Ya” (يا), but I don’t know enough Arabic to know the difference between the two. I’m guessing maybe “Ayyuha” is more formal/reverent, because I’ve never actually heard it outside of Christian chants. “Ya” is, on the other hand, how my Arabic professor taught me to catch his attention (not that I wasn’t respectful towards him, there just wasn’t such a big difference in age between us, so he was very informal with me).
 
The signature is some variation on the “Jesus Prayer”, fundamental to Eastern Christianity. It says “Oh Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner”. All the versions I’ve heard start with “Ayyuha” (أيها), not “Ya” (يا), but I don’t know enough Arabic to know the difference between the two. I’m guessing maybe “Ayyuha” is more formal/reverent, because I’ve never actually heard it outside of Christian chants. “Ya” is, on the other hand, how my Arabic professor taught me to catch his attention (not that I wasn’t respectful towards him, there just wasn’t such a big difference in age between us, so he was very informal with me).
Thanks dzheremi, I appreciate your response.
 
Many people are unaware that the so-called ‘hippie peace symbol’ is a broken Cross, turned upside-down. It was of Satanic invention.

Hippies have nothing to do with any sort of Christian ideal.
Actually that is a myth. It comes from the English nuclear disarmament movement. “the logo of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND). In the United States and much of the rest of the world it is known more broadly as the peace symbol. It was designed in 1958 by Gerald Holtom, a professional designer and artist and a graduate of the Royal College of Arts. H” docspopuli.org/articles/PeaceSymbolArticle.html
 
Many people are unaware that the so-called ‘hippie peace symbol’ is a broken Cross, turned upside-down. It was of Satanic invention.

Hippies have nothing to do with any sort of Christian ideal.
Astrology predated the hippie movement by about…I’ll wager a conservative estimate at five thousand years.

I’m being hypothetical to entertain a rhetorical discussion. Let’s take a couple deep breaths. :rolleyes:
 
How come Christians don’t help out the Christians who are being persecuted all over the place and instead help out Islam’s march on this world? is my question - that is the anti-thesis to love and understanding.
“You have heard it said ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy’, but I propose Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5). He goes on to talk about how what good does it do you to only pay attention and help those who are like you because even the pagans and tax collectors do this. Christians are called to more: bear suffering, empathize with the plight of the non-Christian and support them in their struggle as a neighbor. Our emphasis is not placed on our discomfort, but all peoples’. 🙂
 
If one uses the date of Constantine the Great’s signing in 313 AD of the Edict of Milan, which gave Christians the right to practice their faith openly in the Roman Empire, as the beginning of the Age of Pisces (pisces, fish, ichthys, “fisher of men”, Jesus Christ, get it?), then the Age of Aquarius can be dated to begin around 2400 AD. Of course, the foundations of the AoA are being laid right now, just like the birth of Jesus (about 300 years before the signing of the Edict) was an essential part of the foundation for the AoP.

…except, of course, in the case of the wise men from the East, who were probably Zoroastrian astrologers, though some say they came from points even further east. Those wise men knew their astrology, and that led them to the Holy Infant.
Yeah the wise men always intrigued me. Very traditional Catholics from today seem to decry astrology as a devil art but they seem to have forgotten that it led three men to worship the True God. Whether or not they abandoned astrology later on is basically irrelevant.

And yeah I’ve read up on some astrologers commenting on Jesus being a unique figure within the Age of Pisces because He set up a religion exemplifying Piscean thought and in doing so, a paradigm that has basically spread throughout the world (Christianity being the largest religion on Earth with Catholicism the largest denomination in which Catholicism exhibits many Piscean symbols and ideas).

This however means absolutely nothing and in fact has no implications on Christianity as some more …‘passionate’ and opinionated members have mentioned, since Christianity is completely divorced from the idea that it’s influenced by astrology, and therefore in its own view, is not a subject of astrology (a view which I support but other astrology fans might argue).

Either way, it’s interesting to note how Christian ideas in the Age of Pisces have/are setting up society for the supposed Age of Aquarius. 😛
 
“You have heard it said ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy’, but I propose Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5). He goes on to talk about how what good does it do you to only pay attention and help those who are like you because even the pagans and tax collectors do this. Christians are called to more: bear suffering, empathize with the plight of the non-Christian and support them in their struggle as a neighbor. Our emphasis is not placed on our discomfort, but all peoples’. 🙂
That sounds nice, but it is all bunk in reality. Lay down and be a martyr, then your kids, or their kids, can deal with 'em and eventually succumb and more will die. I was not talking about tax collectors or even the pagans who are benign and would rather leave you alone. I am talking about an ideology that is told they will go to heaven if they kill you, or subjugate you if you chose not to convert. And if they subjugate you we see in their laws there is no protection for you.

I think the ‘age of Aquarius’ idea is love gone stupid. Most of it is just a physical love - free sex and doing dope. The rest was just riots and protests led by the likes of those who wanted to overthrow a government that allowed them to protest and riot. Not too much love came from all of that from what I see 30-40 years later.
 
I do not know when the idea that we are to embrace martyrdom was first understood that we cannot defend ourselves, but I’ve never seen it that way or been taught that it should be so. Plenty of Christians stand up, as they should, and we should support our brothers and sisters in the East who are going through so much oppression as they have been for the past 1400 years under Islam. I would say that the examples of modern martyrs like Bishop Faraj Rahho and Father Rageed Ghanni of the Chaldean Church in Iraq are excellent, as they were confronted with martyrdom and would not renounce the cross in the face of it. Equally, I would say that the example of the recent Coptic protests also ought to be followed:
Al Arabiyya:
Sunday, 01 June 2008
Mallawi, Egypt • Angry Egyptian Christians demonstrated in the southern town of Mallawi yesterday against what they said was government inaction in the face of repeated attacks by Muslims against their community.
At least 300 Coptic Christians gathered outside the main church in Mallawi a day after gunmen stormed a historic monastery and kidnapped three monks sparking clashes that left one person dead and four wounded.
“We have been quiet for too long. We regularly have problems and always forgive but we’ve had enough,” one of the demonstrators, Hanna Ibrahim, said.
“If there is no action by the state, or the people responsible (for the monastery attack) are not brought to justice, we will not remain quiet much longer,” he shouted.
Surrounded by hundreds of black-clad security forces, protestors chanted: “With our blood and soul, we will defend the cross,” and appealed to President Hosni Mubarak to intervene because “Coptic hearts are on fire.”
Notice how they stood up and asserted themselves without burning down any embassies or whatever…HMMM…other religions could learn from this!

There are, of course, more radical people out there (e.g., the Patriotic Revolutionary Organization of Bethnahrin, a militant Assyrian nationalist organization), but if I were a Christian in Iraq right now or Lebanon in the 1980s, I’m not sure I’d have the luxury of sitting back and debating these things intellectually. Our Saviour also told His disciples to be as shrewd as serpents when going out into the world. We are to beware of people who would scourge us. It is a delicate balancing act, for sure, but our faith is worth fighting when we have no other options.

As is sung in one of my favorite Assyrian songs by a singer named Skandar Denho (Listen to it here):

Michael, the martyr who died for our cause and guarded our lands, your shed blood will not be forgot but forever echo in our minds / By your martyrdom we swear that we will walk in your path and carry your rifle / For the holy land Mesopotamia of our forefathers we shall fight back / …] Our loved martyrs, your are still alive and are the light and spirit of the nation, we swear to you that we will keep your memory alive / We swear by your blood that we will no longer stand silent when we are attacked, but demand our rights under all circumstances.

Sometimes this type of stance is necessary. The Orthodox Ethiopians fought the Muslim terrorists directed by Ahmed Gragn in the 1500s not because they didn’t know how to love their enemies, but so that the Ethiopian Orthodox faith would remain on the land on which it was born hundreds of years before Islam. They fought for their way of life against a force that sought to completely destroy them, and were it not for their fighting back would have most likely done so. Even as though was eventually repelled, Gragn basically gutted the EOC, and the effects of this savagery continue today. Before his jihad, 9 out 10 Oromo were Christian; today, 9 out of 10 are Muslim, and it is by this majority among the largest single Ethiopian ethnic group (~40% of the country) that Ethiopia today has a Muslim majority.

I don’t want to ever face that sort of situation, and it kills me that so many of my fellow Christians do still face it. To say we are to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us is absolutely true, but says nothing about not looking out for ourselves even as we follow our Saviour’s command, just as we should look out for others when they are persecuted.
 
Yeah the wise men always intrigued me. Very traditional Catholics from today seem to decry astrology as a devil art but they seem to have forgotten that it led three men to worship the True God. Whether or not they abandoned astrology later on is basically irrelevant.

And yeah I’ve read up on some astrologers commenting on Jesus being a unique figure within the Age of Pisces because He set up a religion exemplifying Piscean thought and in doing so, a paradigm that has basically spread throughout the world (Christianity being the largest religion on Earth with Catholicism the largest denomination in which Catholicism exhibits many Piscean symbols and ideas).

This however means absolutely nothing and in fact has no implications on Christianity as some more …‘passionate’ and opinionated members have mentioned, since Christianity is completely divorced from the idea that it’s influenced by astrology, and therefore in its own view, is not a subject of astrology (a view which I support but other astrology fans might argue).

Either way, it’s interesting to note how Christian ideas in the Age of Pisces have/are setting up society for the supposed Age of Aquarius. 😛
In Hinduism, astrology is seen as useful for showing the wisdom of God, but once you’ve found God, then astrology is seen as no longer necessary.
 
That sounds nice, but it is all bunk in reality. Lay down and be a martyr, then your kids, or their kids, can deal with 'em and eventually succumb and more will die. I was not talking about tax collectors or even the pagans who are benign and would rather leave you alone. I am talking about an ideology that is told they will go to heaven if they kill you, or subjugate you if you chose not to convert. And if they subjugate you we see in their laws there is no protection for you.
Ok but I gave my answer from a Christian’s ideological view of the situation, I didn’t expect to be having to give a literal step by step confession or proposition of what I have or haven’t done to help Christians in the Middle East. Upon carefully reading the Gospel passages I provided, you’ll see that you’re right, it’s not about pagans or tax collectors, it was a metaphor to show that Christians are to rise above that idea of only sympathizing with and helping your own group exclusively.

Also, Christians and Muslims have been subjugating each other in that region for centuries equally on both sides at different times. Christianity is not some nation that has an inherent duty to physically defend its adherents. By this logic, if any atheist group was being oppressed, you would have the duty as a non-religious but moral and ethical person to help them physically which I’m sure you would not. I don’t have the resources or capacity to involve myself in the struggle, like most Christians, so my final outlet as a Christian is just to understand from my religion’s teachings how to view their suffering and pray for them.
 
Also, Christians and Muslims have been subjugating each other in that region for centuries equally on both sides at different times.
When have Middle Eastern Christians oppressed Muslims? Massacres have occured on both sides (e.g., Sabra and Shatila, Black Saturday, Damour, etc.), but the full story behind such violence is often not so simple as “Christians oppressing Muslims” (i.e., the Tel al-Zaatar massacre in which many Palestinians died during the Lebanese civil war was preceded by months of forced taxes being extorted from nearby Christian residents so that Palestinians could maintain their militia). Subjugation, on the other hand, implies some sort of systematic pattern of malevolence. This is not what you find in the relationship of the Middle Eastern churches to Islam, because such a relationship has never been to the churches’ favor. Islam came with armies against the Assyrian, Coptic, and other native Christians, and converted most of them. It then subjugated the remainder to second-class status, as it continues to do today.
Christianity is not some nation that has an inherent duty to physically defend its adherents.
Christianity may not be nation, but I disagree that we do not have an inherent duty to physically defend ourselves and our churches. If we don’t, then who will? We absolutely must defend ourselves. If our forefathers had such attitudes, we likely would not be here writing these posts.
 
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