The American Election

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If people always insist that there is no point voting third party because only a dem or rep will get in, nothing will ever change. It might take years, but a steady increase in third party votes would eventually bring about some real contenders.

So, don’t tell people they can’t vote third party. They can do whatever they discern.
 
As an American living in the UK and married to a Scottish man, I’ve lost friends since the election because I married a foreigner and see me moving out as a flipping the bird to the States.

I do have friends that have been harassed since the election (they are Hispanic). “Trump” spray painted on their house, told that they will be rounded up, etc. One of my closest friends is gay, and he is in the hospital due to be beaten up on Wednesday.

The last time I visited the States, I was grilled because in the border officer’s words “no decent person would leave the States”. I can imagine it getting much worse from here on out. My husband is a professor, so he does go the States a couple times a year for conferences, and he is terrified how he will be treated the next time he goes. The mix of being foreign coupled with the “anti-expert” attitude is not a good thing.

The irony is that he studies how to prevent religious extremism.
 
So as to not derail another thread, I am starting this one. I am Canadian so my country is very much affected by whatever goes on in the states. Our main political concern is the renegotiation of free trade and the impact that will have on our economy.

However, as a Catholic who thinks abortion is wrong, I am amazed that this would be sufficient reason to vote for Trump. He appears to be supporting racism, which IMO is just as sinful. So I really DON"T understand how the simply fact he believes abortion is wrong is justification in letting him get away with his other sins (such as using loopholes to not pay taxes which is theft)

Also, as a woman, I am floored that any women would vote for a man who jokes about sexually assaulting women. That is very concerning to me. How does saving a baby justify assaulting a woman :confused:

But from where I am sitting, the saddest part of the whole election was the only thing I ever saw was two people insult each other like immature kids. I can’t remember seeing either one of them on TV explaining their campaign on things like economic policies and providing well researched arguments on how that would benefit the future of America.

It’s like I told everyone at work. I didn’t bother watching the election because if I wanted that kind of drama I would watch the bachelor

NOTE: I don’t watch Canadian elections either 😃
Thank you for your thoughtful post. I doubt very much that a former pro-choice democrat like Donald Trump is going to be saving unborn babies any time soon. He is much more likely to cause the death of children who are already born by taking away their Medicaid and bankrupting their parents. However, in all fairness, we will have to wait and see.
 
Trump won because the ordinary, everyday, average Joe is sick and tired of the nonsense spewed out by the left. One only has to take a look at the media’s reaction to trump to see how ridiculous these people are. In Irish newspapers over the last two days we’ve seen endless articles featuring sobbing women and “Gender Studies” lecturers who are paraded out to tell us that the end of the world is coming and women will be back to the days before they had a vote thanks to Trump.

These people have no idea what hit them and they don’t have the self awareness to realise that it’s actually their fault that people are voting for such candidates as Trump.
Thank you.

I for one am sick of the sneering condescension directed at us from a lot of foreigners.

By the way, I voted for neither Trump nor Clinton, but I will never call someone an idiot just because of the way they voted.
 
Mmmm-hmmm. How does this sound? “Since your name is Angie, I assume you are a female with no sympathy for what men have to go through.” It isn’t kind to dismiss people simply because they are a particular sex…
If someone told me because I am a woman, I don’t know what men go through, I would 100% agree.
Addressing your main thought: Your heart isn’t literally bleeding, however, and neither are the hearts of pregnant women. Defenseless babies, on the other hand…
I was making a small comment about the bigger part. Women who were sexuality assaulted suffer tremendously and this IS just as bad as killing a baby. The rude comments are what make it such that assault is not seen as a big deal.
From a practical standpoint, I can absolutely understand why some people rob banks, commit fraud, etc. Doesn’t make it any less wrong, and these are considerably less repugnant acts than killing small children. Can you really equate crude remarks with ending human lives?
From a practical standpoint, I can see why a woman would not want to kill a baby. Robbing banks and committing fraud might be a little less repugnant than killing a baby but… again, assaulting women is just as repugnant and crude remarks, give an impression that it is OK to degrade women
 
That has nothing to do with race. Our country has a right to define its geography and keep its citizens safe and even define its citizens. So does every other country. Is New Zealand racist for not having any immigration?

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The part that is wrong is that Trump expects the Mexican’s to pay for it. If he made the US pay for it because he felt it was a necessary thing to protect America, it would be a totally issue
 
Please explain your thought process. That is, please explain how you’ve connected wall-building with racism. Also, can you please do this in the context of all border walls around the world?
Expecting someone else to pay for something Trump wants is ridiculous. It is almost an attitude that he is so much better than others that he will dictate where they spend their money
 
Why would you assume he can have no sympathy simply because he is a man? If a man made a similar claim as this regarding a woman–he’d be tarred and feathered as a sexist or a misogynist.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
Because of the content of his response to me, it was obviously very unsympathetic. Had his post been sympathetic, I would have posted ‘how nice to see a good man’

And IMO, if a man said ‘Women don’t understand what us guys go through’, I would 100% agree
 
So, who would you have had us vote for? It was between Clinton and Trump.Nobody else had a chance at all.

How does saving a baby justify assaulting a woman? Who said that??? Nobody. But if I have to play devils advocate, listen… A woman can survive a assault (I am not saying that sexual assault is not a big deal, so do not go there with me anyone) So many Mexicans are worried about being deported (I am Mexican american BTW) but as sad as it would be for some folks to get deported, they have a chance AT LIFE. How can a unborn baby defend itself? It cannot. It does not have a chance. Trump is not going to make laws or appoint people who will pass laws that it is okay to assault women, Hillary will support pro abortion laws increasing the number of babies who do not get to get a chance at life.

Two candidates… Must vote for one.
Because I read a lot of post that said ‘I voted for Trump because he is against abortion’ and that was the end of the story. If they made other valid arguments for voting for Trump, then I would have seen it as a well though out decision.

But Trump has so many bad points and if he only has one good point, it is NOT reason enough to vote for him. Sure it is sad that a baby dies, but …that baby goes straight to Heaven, so it is in some ways a blessing. They don’t go through the temptation to sin and possibly loosing out on Heaven.
 
Sure it is sad that a baby dies, but …that baby goes straight to Heaven, so it is in some ways a blessing. They don’t go through the temptation to sin and possibly loosing out on Heaven.
Hold up there just a second… your theology is wrong there. Since the fall all humans (except for Mary) were conceived with original sin. The truth is that we don’t know what happens to the souls of aborted children. At best we trust in God’s mercy, but you overstep the bounds of Church teaching when you say, “that baby goes straight to Heaven, so it is in some ways a blessing.”

When I hear Catholics, who should know better, say things like “babies dying is sad, but it’s also almost a blessing” I get really concerned. I hope it was simply a bad choice of words because it has echos of gnosticism. It gives a feel like our physical life and death aren’t all that important so bypassing it all together is a good thing. One common theme in gnosticism is a general sense that the matterial world is bad, but of course that is wrong because God only creates good and He created the physical world.

When you use “sad” it deflates the tragic nature of abortion, and then you add hope by calling it a type of “blessing”. It just reads something like “dang, I chipped my nails; who wants ice cream” so please be careful in phrasing things were insults are tragedies, but killing children is banal or even some what a good thing.

If you truly believe that, then I pray the Holy Spirit can open your heart to the beauty of the world he created because it seems that you heart is overshadowed by darkness.
 
Sure it is sad that a baby dies, but …that baby goes straight to Heaven, so it is in some ways a blessing. They don’t go through the temptation to sin and possibly loosing out on Heaven.
:eek:

Ok, so let’s get this straight:
  1. Making remarks about groping women is as bad as butchering babies.
  2. Actually, butchering babies has an upside! By the same logic, would you consider it a good thing to, say, kill children who’ve just been baptized, thus ensuring their salvation?
  3. “Good men” are those who agree with what you say.
:eek::eek:
 
I’m an assault survivor and I voted for Trump. Abortion was part of it, not because I think he’s pro life, but because Hillary is so virulently pro abortion. Freedom of religion and the border, as well as general distrust and dislike of the Clintons were also big factors.
 
Because I read a lot of post that said ‘I voted for Trump because he is against abortion’ and that was the end of the story. If they made other valid arguments for voting for Trump, then I would have seen it as a well though out decision.

But Trump has so many bad points and if he only has one good point, it is NOT reason enough to vote for him. Sure it is sad that a baby dies, but …that baby goes straight to Heaven, so it is in some ways a blessing. They don’t go through the temptation to sin and possibly loosing out on Heaven.
Fine… I also voted for Trump because under Obama’s administration and most likely Hillary’s The little sisters of the poor will be bullied by The government to force them to pay for other people’s contraceptives.

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Forcing nuns to provide services contrary to Catholic teachings??? Not if Trump keeps his promises to protect Catholics religious rights (Yes, he said that) Maytbe you do not know because you are in Canada but the liberal left in politics here in the states are targeting Christians both Catholic and non Catholic and trying to force them to do things against our Religious beliefs or face severe fines. Also, FYI Obama was trying to force Catholic hospitals to do similar things.

God decides when it is best someone live or die, not you or me.

You did not answer my question of what would you have had us do? Who would you have had us vote for? Easy to criticize when you did not have to make a decision.
 
Well, the first thing that comes to mind is building a wall and making Mexico pay for it
Why does Canada operate border check points?

You think Canada should just let everyone enter the country at any location without any checks and balances and not stop them at the border?

If thousands of people enter Canada illegally every every year - You think that your government should not deport them - and they should be allowed to vote in your elections and demand government services and special educational assistance because English and French are not their first language? Plus they should be able to compete for jobs with your citizens?
 
The part that is wrong is that Trump expects the Mexican’s to pay for it. If he made the US pay for it because he felt it was a necessary thing to protect America, it would be a totally issue
I’m so confused by your information. You think trump is racist presumably because he wants illegal imagrants out. Then, when it’s pointed out that isn’t racist your issue is the payment if that wall!? Ok. Look, if trump wants to build a wall and renegotiate a trade deal that favors the nation he leads so we make money instead of five money and call it paying for a wall, fine by me.

This country spends millions perhaps billions fighting crime, drugs and national security breaches. The reason people come here and risk their lives is because their own government provides them with poverty and corruption at levels you have never seen personally in your life. Asking the Mexican government to do its share is really the moral high road. At some point we need to sit making these silly arguments based on race and expect Mexico to act responsibly and humanely to it’s own people. Until then, any American life lost or harmed by a hostile invasion deserves to have a wAll paid for. Perhaps it’s your geography or government or privilege but you don’t seem to grasp the real issue.
 
Why does Canada operate border check points?

You think Canada should just let everyone enter the country at any location without any checks and balances and not stop them at the border?

If thousands of people enter Canada illegally every every year - You think that your government should not deport them - and they should be allowed to vote in your elections and demand government services and special educational assistance because English and French are not their first language? Plus they should be able to compete for jobs with your citizens?
What if Americans went to canida under dark of night and demanded all the rights of its citizens and we invaded Canada by the millions. Then we voted in Canadian elections for the candidate most likely to be American…

What if we ate all the moose!?
 
As long as people say, “I won’t vote for a third party candidate because they won’t win.” Then we’ll never have a viable third party. That attitude is the only thing stopping us from having a party that we can vote for without feeling dirty afterward. It would probably take a few election cycles for a third party to get enough support to win, but if everyone refuses to even consider them, just because they aren’t currently as powerful, then how will they get support to become more powerful?
As long as third party candidates do not do what is necessary to get on the ballots of all the States, Territories and DC then they are not seriously in the running and do not deserve a vote as they are not running to represent all of the citizens nor interests - in addition to not having a chance at winning.

As long as third party candidates do not do what is necessary to develop a base and other political offices - they will forever remain ties to at least one of the major parties and as such just give that party some cover for other offices - and they will remain un-electable for president and represent a wasted vote. Get some governors, state officials and congressional seats - be a real third party - not a pretend one.

And as long as third party candidates only start their runs as spoilers because they don’t like the major party candidate or candidates - then no one will take them seriously …

Case in point - Sanders is the longest serving Independent in the Senate.

The Independent Party is the most successful third party option … they have people elected at the City, County, State and Federal Level.

As an Independent - Sanders always 100% caucused with the Democrats

When Bernie decided to run for President - did he seek his to represent his Third Party and win their support for his candidacy? No … Why not?

If a Third Party could win - there existed the perfect foundation upon which to run - known candidate, congressional voting record and successful party from which to launch …

Its not the attitude that is stopping people - its the reality … it can be done - but people [INSERT YOUR NAME HERE} would have to work and support [with time and money] the effort for years to make it happen and gather the millions of like minded people to do likewise … as long as it is a last minute “I want to play at this game” attempt - it is doomed 🤷

So - if I were you - I would start now … you might have a ground game in 6 to 8 years - maybe - if you can find a George Soros to fund you … but if you wait until the last 3 months of 2020 or 2024 … then you will be still complaining about people whining it cant be done
 
What if Americans went to canida under dark of night and demanded all the rights of its citizens and we invaded Canada by the millions. Then we voted in Canadian elections for the candidate most likely to be American…

What if we ate all the moose!?
:rotfl: when the moose was gone we would have to eat caribou, sheep and goats

As illegals though - look how much $$s we save on the hunting licenses and tags 👍
 
Expecting someone else to pay for something Trump wants is ridiculous. It is almost an attitude that he is so much better than others that he will dictate where they spend their money
You are avoiding the question. The question was:

Please explain your thought process. That is, please explain how you’ve connected wall-building with racism. Also, can you please do this in the context of all border walls around the world?
 
I’m an assault survivor and I voted for Trump. Abortion was part of it, not because I think he’s pro life, but because Hillary is so virulently pro abortion. Freedom of religion and the border, as well as general distrust and dislike of the Clintons were also big factors.
There’s also the recognition that these assaults are being brought out for political reasons. E.g., cases being dropped around election day.
 
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