The Amish way of life is the most Christian

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I haven’t read this entire thread, but in response to the original poster, if Catholics, Jews, Protestants, etc. had not fought against Hitler in WWII, the Amish people would now be under Nazi control and unable to live their peaceful way of life. I think it’s a very idealized vision you have of the Amish life. They would not have the religious freedom they do to conscientiously object to going to war, if other Americans hadn’t lost their lives fighting for our freedoms. Think about it. It’s the rest of American society that protects the Amish way of life.
This is, I believe, the problem Augustine faced.

He could easily have been a pacifist attempting to live a life of peace, whilst Roman soldiers were out on the frontier risking their lives so he could have the right to ignore them. He found such a stance unworkable and came up with the idea of a just war
 
I think the Amish are the most modest Christians around. I don’t see them bashing us Catholics… and other faiths…

I think God have granted them many graces…
 
I think the Amish are the most modest Christians around. I don’t see them bashing us Catholics… and other faiths…

I think God have granted them many graces…
New Zealanders have a lower crime rate than Americans. You should become a New Zealander because they’re better people.

(their cops don’t even carry guns!)
 
New Zealanders have a lower crime rate than Americans. You should become a New Zealander because they’re better people.

(their cops don’t even carry guns!)
Do they have a Catholic Seminary there for future men discerning priesthood, and soon to be ex-US Army Sergeant after my contract expires? How much is the rent?
 
I think the Amish are the most modest Christians around. I don’t see them bashing us Catholics… and other faiths…

I think God have granted them many graces…
I don’t think it’s bashing to point out that the Amish would not be able to live their peaceful way of life unless Americans of other faiths were willing to step up and protect the country so that they could continue to conscientiously object. I grew up in Western Pennsylvania and always enjoyed visiting Amish farms to buy fresh produce. They have a beautiful way of life. But I don’t think we do ourselves or the Amish any favors by idealizing their way of life or by ignoring the dependent relationship the Amish have on the larger society to preserve their way of life.
 
Do they have a Catholic Seminary there for future men discerning priesthood, and soon to be ex-US Army Sergeant after my contract expires? How much is the rent?
Prices are cheap. Lamb is as little as $25 a hour.
:cool:
(Austalians like to make fun of our little neighbours)
 
Well, if that is how you choose to see it; but almost no religious would do else but give a wry smile…if not a loud guffaw…
It’s a retreat from the modern world. It’s why it’s often called a ‘retreat’ when people adopt a monastic/hermetic life
Retreats
newadvent.org/cathen/12795b.htm

The Holy Father has recently praised enclosed orders - who are most often thought to be running away - and also hermits…(apologies; cannot find the article just now, but will so so.)

I don’t suggest that it is a ‘running away’, but a withdrawal from the modern hectic life.
 
I haven’t read this entire thread, but in response to the original poster, if Catholics, Jews, Protestants, etc. had not fought against Hitler in WWII, the Amish people would now be under Nazi control and unable to live their peaceful way of life. I think it’s a very idealized vision you have of the Amish life. They would not have the religious freedom they do to conscientiously object to going to war, if other Americans hadn’t lost their lives fighting for our freedoms. Think about it. It’s the rest of American society that protects the Amish way of life.
I believe there are Amish communities in over one hundred countries due to persecution suffered by them from Catholics, Protestants and non-Christians so they haven’t always been living a life of peaceful bliss. The really sad thing about it is they have probably suffered more persecution from Protestants and Catholics than non-Christians.
 
Not really. The Amish are a reclusive sect. (I grew up in Philly and actually lived in a Mennonite farm household as a child). I love the people as individuals, but as far as them ‘living the teachings’. . .not really. Jesus was not reclusive or restrictive. You know, the gospel woul never have been spread if it had been up to the Amish, because they would refuse to associate with “the English”, they would miss out on opportunities to evangelise because they would not have the capacity to go very far from their own homes. . .
t with outreach that the Amish would never do outside their own group.IMO.
Sometimes people are attracted to their lifestyle and end of converting. I know of one man who did.
 
I believe there are Amish communities in over one hundred countries due to persecution suffered by them from Catholics, Protestants and non-Christians so they haven’t always been living a life of peaceful bliss. The really sad thing about it is they have probably suffered more persecution from Protestants and Catholics than non-Christians.
I understand that is why the Amish emigrated to the United States - seeing to flee religious persecution in Europe. There is no doubt that the Amish today are able to live their peaceful life because our society protects them.
 
I believe there are Amish communities in over one hundred countries due to persecution suffered by them from Catholics, Protestants and non-Christians so they haven’t always been living a life of peaceful bliss. The really sad thing about it is they have probably suffered more persecution from Protestants and Catholics than non-Christians.
Are you aware of incidents of Catholics maltreating Amish? Do they go around beating them up, or something?
 
I respect Amish and they certainly do follow Jesus very well, but I much prefer Catholichism and would never be any other demonition.Here are some things about Amish that I disagree with-
They’re not allowed to take photographs
The furniture has to be made of a certain type of wood.
High school education is discouraged
Ecumenism is discouraged
Telephones, the internet,electricity,and all technogy are not allowed.I especially disagree with this one, because the internet and technology can be used to glorify God, and I think he wants us to have them.

I disagree with all those rules, so I wouldnt be Amish.But they are wonderful people and I respect them.
 
Here’s a link to a website that gives some basic information about the Amish.
Thanks Lack611. Read your link. It reads identical to what we in UK call the Plymouth Brethren.

They have very strong patriachal family structure where ‘father is head of the table’ and mother is so far down the list because she is female, that she does not feature in the family heirarchy, nor does any woman.

They take every teaching of the bible literally. If it says ‘an eye for an eye’ then ‘an eye must be extracted’ - no room for allegories here :eek:

A sacristan friend of mine was given a little book by a Plymouth brethren colleague with whom he worked. The colleague said ‘don’t read it now, save it until you get home’. This he did. On opening it, it contained all manner of grossely offensive material to Catholics including grossely offensive material about the Virgin Mary [and her lack of virginity etc etc].

My friend is extremely broad minded [he has a colourful past and has seen a lot of life], but even he was grossely offended by this book. Much of it was speculation but it alluded to the Mother of God as being a ‘woman’, not the consecrated Virgin that she is and certainly not the Mother of God, which it describes as a blasphemous term. ‘Only God is perfect, Mary is a woman and all women are inferior because they are and because they tempt and lead good men astray’. All women have inherited the weakness of Eve who is 100% to blame for the fall of humanity. Adam her unfortunate and weak victim was innocent of his crimes against God. It was [and is] 100% the fault and evil of woman.

When he next saw his colleague, she informed she did not agree with the contents but was obliged to pass it on to every Catholic she meets. Men can chose but women cannot, they have to be obedient servants of men and their role is to keep home and follow every command of men including ‘giving out the little books’.
 
Thanks Lack611. Read your link. It reads identical to what we in UK call the Plymouth Brethren.

They have very strong patriachal family structure where ‘father is head of the table’ and mother is so far down the list because she is female, that she does not feature in the family heirarchy, nor does any woman.

They take every teaching of the bible literally. If it says ‘an eye for an eye’ then ‘an eye must be extracted’ - no room for allegories here :eek:

A sacristan friend of mine was given a little book by a Plymouth brethren colleague with whom he worked. The colleague said ‘don’t read it now, save it until you get home’. This he did. On opening it, it contained all manner of grossely offensive material to Catholics including grossely offencive material about the Virgin Mary [and her lack of virginity etc etc].

My friend is extremely broad minded [he has a colourful past and has seen a bit of life], but even he was grossely offended by this book. Much of it was speculation but it alluded to the Mother of God as being a ‘woman of loose morals’, not the consecrated Virgin that she is.

When he next saw his colleague, she informed she did not agree with the contents but was obliged to pass it on to every Catholic she meets. Men can chose but women cannot not, their role is to keep home and follow every command of men including ‘giving out the little books’.
Do the Plymouth Brethren avoid all modern technology?

As for the Amish, they do not pass out books. They do not associate with “Yankees” (which is their term for everybody who is not Amish) except in doing business. I have been to some Amish shops, since we have a large Amish community in Ohio. They have never been uncharitable. Many of the Amish women do work in the bakeries. Many of the men are master carpenters. They will be driven to work sites. On my mother’s old street, an Amish crew built a new garage. They cannot drive, but they are allowed to ride in a car. The Amish also make excellent furniture.
 
Thanks Lack611. Read your link. It reads identical to what we in UK call the Plymouth Brethren.

They have very strong patriachal family structure where ‘father is head of the table’ and mother is so far down the list because she is female, that she does not feature in the family heirarchy, nor does any woman.

They take every teaching of the bible literally. If it says ‘an eye for an eye’ then ‘an eye must be extracted’ - no room for allegories here :eek:

A sacristan friend of mine was given a little book by a Plymouth brethren colleague with whom he worked. The colleague said ‘don’t read it now, save it until you get home’. This he did. On opening it, it contained all manner of grossely offensive material to Catholics including grossely offensive material about the Virgin Mary [and her lack of virginity etc etc].

My friend is extremely broad minded [he has a colourful past and has seen a lot of life], but even he was grossely offended by this book. Much of it was speculation but it alluded to the Mother of God as being a ‘woman’, not the consecrated Virgin that she is and certainly not the Mother of God, which it describes as a blasphemous term. ‘Only God is perfect, Mary is a woman and all women are inferior because they are and because they tempt and lead good men astray’. All women have inherited the weakness of Eve who is 100% to blame for the fall of humanity. Adam her unfortunate and weak victim was innocent of his crimes against God. It was [and is] 100% the fault and evil of woman.

When he next saw his colleague, she informed she did not agree with the contents but was obliged to pass it on to every Catholic she meets. Men can chose but women cannot, they have to be obedient servants of men and their role is to keep home and follow every command of men including ‘giving out the little books’.
Here’s a Wikipedia article about the Amish.
 
Do the Plymouth Brethren avoid all modern technology?

As for the Amish, they do not pass out books. They do not associate with “Yankees” (which is their term for everybody who is not Amish) except in doing business. I have been to some Amish shops, since we have a large Amish community in Ohio. They have never been uncharitable. Many of the Amish women do work in the bakeries. Many of the men are master carpenters. They will be driven to work sites. On my mother’s old street, an Amish crew built a new garage. They cannot drive, but they are allowed to ride in a car. The Amish also make excellent furniture.
The Plymouth Brethren are actually divided into two. One of their members was excommunicated, went away and formed his own group which is now the main Plymouth Brethren ‘Exclusive’ where they work with ‘heathen’ that is non-Plymouth Brethren but they do not associate with them. They do not use any modern technology nor computer or tv, radio etc which they see as evil.
Nor do they drive, but they will be driven as they are passive in the technology but if they drive, then they are active which defiles them.

Exclusive breathren are only allowed to break bread with exclusive members. Infidels are not allowed to participate. Non-Catholic Christians are seen as evil, Catholics are so far down the list that expletives fail to describe the contempt they feel for us. They have a very exacting dress code. Men follow God and women do as they are told by their menfolk.

If one in a family is converted, the whole family is and baptisms etc are delivered in the beneficiaries home. They do not use Churches.

Open breathren are a bit more liberal. Nor are they so strict about dress code. Women are still infirior and at the service and command of men but they are treated as almost equals which is a far cry from Exclusive brethren.

Non-members are excluded from sharing in the ‘Breaking of Bread’ (Communion) service. The communion service is open for all practicing Christians.

Members do not worship with other Christians, and there is no contact between Exclusive Brethren ‘Assemblies’ and other denominations. Churches and individuals often work and worship with other churches and members of other Christian groups, e.g. as Members of the ‘Evangelical Alliance’ and ‘Christians Together’.
Assemblies are all connected together, and must follow exactly the same doctrines and practices.

There is one recognised leader of the whole world-wide group. Churches are independent and led by their own members. There can be great variation in practice (though not usually in core doctrines) between different Open Brethren churches.
Exclusive Brethren practise

Members will not mix socially with non-members. Families are divided if members leave the Assembly. It is especially important not to eat with non-members, who are viewed as ‘iniquitous’ (The Bible, 1 Corinthians chapter 5 verse 11). Members do not accept employment from non-members. Members are encouraged to befriend all, whether or not they are Christians.

The media is viewed as ‘iniquitous’, under the authority of the devil ‘the ruler of the authority of the air’ (The Bible, Ephesians chapter 2 verse 2). Therefore, members are not allowed to have radio, TV, newspapers, computers, go to the cinema, or listen to ‘worldly’ music. Members are free to follow their individual conscience.

Members may be recognised by a dress code, in which ladies (and girls) wear their hair long with a small headscarf. Men are always clean shaven, and do not wear ties.

Hope this helps
 
The Plymouth Brethren are actually divided into two. One of their members was excommunicated, went away and formed his own group which is now the main Plymouth Brethren ‘Exclusive’ where they work with ‘heathen’ that is non-Plymouth Brethren but they do not associate with them. They do not use any modern technology nor computer or tv, radio etc which they see as evil.
Nor do they drive, but they will be driven as they are passive in the technology but if they drive, then they are active which defiles them.

Exclusive breathren are only allowed to break bread with exclusive members. Infidels are not allowed to participate. Non-Catholic Christians are seen as evil, Catholics are so far down the list that expletives fail to describe the contempt they feel for us. They have a very exacting dress code. Men follow God and women do as they are told by their menfolk.

If one in a family is converted, the whole family is and baptisms etc are delivered in the beneficiaries home. They do not use Churches.

Open breathren are a bit more liberal. Nor are they so strict about dress code. Women are still infirior and at the service and command of men but they are treated as almost equals which is a far cry from Exclusive brethren.

Non-members are excluded from sharing in the ‘Breaking of Bread’ (Communion) service. The communion service is open for all practicing Christians.

Members do not worship with other Christians, and there is no contact between Exclusive Brethren ‘Assemblies’ and other denominations. Churches and individuals often work and worship with other churches and members of other Christian groups, e.g. as Members of the ‘Evangelical Alliance’ and ‘Christians Together’.
Assemblies are all connected together, and must follow exactly the same doctrines and practices.

There is one recognised leader of the whole world-wide group. Churches are independent and led by their own members. There can be great variation in practice (though not usually in core doctrines) between different Open Brethren churches.
Exclusive Brethren practise

Members will not mix socially with non-members. Families are divided if members leave the Assembly. It is especially important not to eat with non-members, who are viewed as ‘iniquitous’ (The Bible, 1 Corinthians chapter 5 verse 11). Members do not accept employment from non-members. Members are encouraged to befriend all, whether or not they are Christians.

The media is viewed as ‘iniquitous’, under the authority of the devil ‘the ruler of the authority of the air’ (The Bible, Ephesians chapter 2 verse 2). Therefore, members are not allowed to have radio, TV, newspapers, computers, go to the cinema, or listen to ‘worldly’ music. Members are free to follow their individual conscience.

Members may be recognised by a dress code, in which ladies (and girls) wear their hair long with a small headscarf. Men are always clean shaven, and do not wear ties.

Hope this helps
That is interesting. I think the main difference between the Plymouth Brethren and the Amish is that the Amish do not proseltyze. People are pretty much born into the Amish faith, and they do not look to convert anyone from the outside into their religion. They also do not worship with any other Christians or belong to any ecumenical groups.
 
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